Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

a clanger

Just back from Madrid where their rate has 'plateaued' at 120 compared to our plateau of 150. Indifferent Garda asking questions in a Dead Dublin airport add to the sense of miserableness here. Madrid airport actually had some life and immigration and covid health checks are done separately avoiding the long lines and packed arrival all of Dublin.
It was so nice to see 'Life' , cafes/restaurants open shops etc. Masks are mandatory outside as well. They just seem to be getting on with it as opposed to here where a lockdown that isn't really a lockdown anymore carries on indefinitely. Travel has dropped off the whipping boy list now that Astra Zeneca said 'hold my beer' . Have we heard how the mandatory quarantine negotiations are coming along ! There seems to be a Stockholm syndrome effect with the Irish public now. Govt don't really have a plan beside wait and see and abundance of caution and other such platitudes. Travel is a privilege at all times and certainly our mob have no intention of restoring that privilege in the near future

Gael23

Is there any indication weather we are participating in this?

KanyeSouthEast

It’s like living in the 1950s again the rest of the world will move on into the swinging sixties and we’ll be left in black and white with the bishops replaced by the doctors and mad scientists.

ninebeanrows

Ray Donovan wrote: »

From RTE:Un

Asked about EU plans for travel abroad for those vaccinated and if Ireland could see involvement, Dr Glynn: "I don't see our advice [on international travel] changing in the short-term… up to the end of June".

Unfortunately Mr Glynn....Ireland is a member of the EU and the decisions made there also rule here.

Anyway all will change from 17 May when the Brits open

The Germans and Dutch will be going the Med this summer.

I hope we aren't the forgotten country and the rule of law is imposed on us.

deckie66

Gael23 wrote: »

Is there any indication weather we are participating in this?

There's no participating or not participating - it is a draft regulation so if adopted by the EP and the Council it automatically applies in all 27 member states.

Looking at having it adopted by mid June

ninebeanrows

Imagine, people allowed travel freely around the bloc if tested or vaxxed, what a Utopian vision.

Gael23

deckie66 wrote: »

There's no participating or not participating - it is a draft regulation so if adopted by the EP and the Council it automatically applies in all 27 member states.

Looking at having it adopted by mid June

If you still have to quarantine on return there’s no point in it

Beasty

Threads merged

deckie66

Gael23 wrote: »

If you still have to quarantine on return there’s no point in it

Why would you have to quarantine.

august - I have my digital pass on my phone showing that i have been vaccinated

I fly from Dublin to Paris and enter France freely.

A week later i fly back to Dublin and enter Ireland freely on presentation of the digital pass. There is no quarantine or other restrictions - thats the whole idea of the pass

The Davestator

My flights are 12th June so fingers crossed!

Micky 32

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Unfortunately Mr Glynn....Ireland is a member of the EU and the decisions made there also rule here.

Anyway all will change from 17 May when the Brits open

The Germans and Dutch will be going the Med this summer.

I hope we aren't the forgotten country and the rule of law is imposed on us.

Aye but they’ll make sure you’ll be finger wagged, frowned upon, a scourge to society and when you return from your “piss up in Lanza” you’ll return home to your car ( if left in driveway) covered in key scratches and your beloved Tom cat dangling from the nearest tree by his balls :pac:

Micky 32

Gael23 wrote: »

If you still have to quarantine on return there’s no point in it

That’s the whole idea of the draft, so you won’t have to.

IQO

New Home wrote: »

Re: the quarantine, I don't suppose it'd make any difference if I got a test done on the day of my arrival, would it?

Also, I know logically the answer should be "no", but I don't suppose you'd be allowed to get to your destination (the place you'll be quarantining in) using public transport, would you? Or would you be permitted to rent a car?

I don't think a test on the day of arrival back in Ireland would be ok to shorten the quarantine period. In theory it can take a few days for the virus to show, f.e. if you got infected during your flight into Dublin, so the advice is to have that test 5 days after you have arrived back in Ireland. Probably no one is going to check into this, but it would be awkward if you shorten your quarantine period yourself and spread the virus - and the HSE finds out through contact tracing that you have shortened your own quarantine.

To get to your destination back in Ireland, it has never been made mandatory to have someone pick you up or drive yourself - so I think public transport is ok. You can also rent a car if you wish (you can do that at any time now.. it's on the list of "essential" services).

HeidiHeidi

IQO wrote: »

I don't think a test on the day of arrival back in Ireland would be ok to shorten the quarantine period. In theory it can take a few days for the virus to show, f.e. if you got infected during your flight into Dublin, so the advice is to have that test 5 days after you have arrived back in Ireland. Probably no one is going to check into this, but it would be awkward if you shorten your quarantine period yourself and spread the virus - and the HSE finds out through contact tracing that you have shortened your own quarantine.

To get to your destination back in Ireland, it has never been made mandatory to have someone pick you up or drive yourself - so I think public transport is ok. You can also rent a car if you wish (you can do that at any time now.. it's on the list of "essential" services).

Surely public transport would be a total contradiction to the idea of quarantining on return to Ireland?

Gael23

deckie66 wrote: »

Why would you have to quarantine.

august - I have my digital pass on my phone showing that i have been vaccinated

I fly from Dublin to Paris and enter France freely.

A week later i fly back to Dublin and enter Ireland freely on presentation of the digital pass. There is no quarantine or other restrictions - thats the whole idea of the pass

Micky 32 wrote: »

That’s the whole idea of the draft, so you won’t have to.

I hope your both right but Tony will be back by then most likely and I’m sure he will have other ideas

CruelSummer

deckie66 wrote: »

There's no participating or not participating - it is a draft regulation so if adopted by the EP and the Council it automatically applies in all 27 member states.

Looking at having it adopted by mid June

Unfortunately I heard a FF MEP on Newstalk this morning saying each member state would be able to modify the measures ‘locally’ to suit its own situation..

Deusexmachina

CruelSummer wrote: »

Unfortunately I heard a FF MEP on Newstalk this morning saying each member state would be able to modify the measures ‘locally’ to suit its own situation..

Jesus, I want to put my head through the screen now. A FF MEP having any power over my life scares me!

ninebeanrows

Micky 32 wrote: »

Aye but they’ll make sure you’ll be finger wagged, frowned upon, a scourge to society and when you return from your “piss up in Lanza” you’ll return home to your car ( if left in driveway) covered in key scratches and your beloved Tom cat dangling from the nearest tree by his balls :pac:

A year i ago i would have cared about that outcome, not anymore.

I no longer give a fcuk about what the next door neighbor thinks

Deusexmachina

From The Irish Times :
If a Member State continues to require holders of a Certificate to quarantine or test, it must notify the Commission and all other Member States and justify this decision.

IQO

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Surely public transport would be a total contradiction to the idea of quarantining on return to Ireland?

People coming from a different country (with a negative PCR test in hand) are not more likely to spread covid than local people using public transport who have not had a negative test in the last 72 hours.

New Home

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Surely public transport would be a total contradiction to the idea of quarantining on return to Ireland?

Yep, that was what I was wondering about - whether quarantine started the minute you landed or whether the "public transport" stretch would be considered part of the inbound travel.

IQO wrote: »

People coming from a different country (with a negative PCR test in hand) are not more likely to spread covid than to local people using public transport who have not had a negative test in the last 72 hours.

That makes sense, too, actually.

edunne1994

Hi all - looking to relocate to Spain or Portugal next month. Will be working online so would have nothing but a one way flight booked and a month or two in an Airbnb to begin with. Has anyone recently gone through Dublin airport? What are the checks like? I assume if I say I am emigrating I’ll be told that’s not an “essential reason” and may be fined? Anyone have any insight or tips? Thanks

IQO

edunne1994 wrote: »

Hi all - looking to relocate to Spain or Portugal next month. Will be working online so would have nothing but a one way flight booked and a month or two in an Airbnb to begin with. Has anyone recently gone through Dublin airport? What are the checks like? I assume if I say I am emigrating I’ll be told that’s not an “essential reason” and may be fined? Anyone have any insight or tips? Thanks

That's fine - equally you're also allowed to move homes to anywhere in Ireland.

Happydays2020

edunne1994 wrote: »

Hi all - looking to relocate to Spain or Portugal next month. Will be working online so would have nothing but a one way flight booked and a month or two in an Airbnb to begin with. Has anyone recently gone through Dublin airport? What are the checks like? I assume if I say I am emigrating I’ll be told that’s not an “essential reason” and may be fined? Anyone have any insight or tips? Thanks

One way ticket and proof of accommodation. You will most also have contacted a local bank and registered with an employment agency. If legitimately leaving I don’t see any problem.

I have a genuine fear we will lose lots of critical workers. CJ Stander is just the start.

Happydays2020

Happydays2020 wrote: »

One way ticket and proof of accommodation. You will most also have contacted a local bank and registered with an employment agency. If legitimately leaving I don’t see any problem.

I have a genuine fear we will lose lots of critical workers. CJ Stander is just the start.

A professional rugby player is hardly a critical worker....

Donald Trump

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I have a genuine fear we will lose lots of critical workers

It's a pity we can't lose a few of the critical non-workers. Maybe CJ would bring a few back home with him








The ones out in Donnybrook on the bridge criticising everything but adding nothing!

mmclo

New Home wrote: »

Thank you very much, IQO, that's very helpful.

Re: staying in the airport, I wanted to avoid having to go to a hotel and potentially increasing the risks (between taxis/public transport over and back and the hotel itself).

I didn't know about the requirement to have both tests done, that puts yet another spanner in the works...

Re: the quarantine, I don't suppose it'd make any difference if I got a test done on the day of my arrival, would it?

Also, I know logically the answer should be "no", but I don't suppose you'd be allowed to get to your destination (the place you'll be quarantining in) using public transport, would you? Or would you be permitted to rent a car?

There's a sort of cabin hotel airside 😀

mmclo

deckie66 wrote: »

Why would you have to quarantine.

august - I have my digital pass on my phone showing that i have been vaccinated

I fly from Dublin to Paris and enter France freely.

A week later i fly back to Dublin and enter Ireland freely on presentation of the digital pass. There is no quarantine or other restrictions - thats the whole idea of the pass

That's not how I'd read it.

It effectively provides that the restrictions a member state imposes must be the same for other EU citizens. So if we have restrictions for entry regardless of vaccination and/or PCR we can but they must be the same for all. This is consistent with their approach to Belgium recently and a lot of ECJ rulings

"If a Member State accepts proof of vaccination to waive restrictions to free movement, it will have to accept proof of vaccination issued by another Member State in relation to vaccines which have received EU market authorisation"

"If a Member State continues to require holders of a digital green certificate to quarantine or test, it must notify the Commission and all other Member States and provide reasons for such measures."

"When travelling, every Digital Green Certificate holder will have the same rights as citizens of the visited Member State who have been vaccinated, tested or recovered" - you can go but national rules apply when you come back as long as they are the same for all EU citizens

Member states can still have restrictions for their own territory but must not discriminate in delivering them.

At the moment Austria is the only EU country we are discriminating against

dan786

Friend travelled earlier this week. Dublin was dead with flight half empty, almost everyone had two seats free next to them but Doha (Qatar) Airport was packed. His next flight to his destination was full with no empty seats.

Re Garda checkpoints, there were none at all on his way to or at the airport, was early morning flight.

Planning to travel myself in next week or two.

Plenty of foreign people travelling home also who have dual citizenship. Garda are happy with the reason they give that they are going home to meet parents etc.

is_that_so

Quinn Eager Vent wrote: »

A professional rugby player is hardly a critical worker....

They are all in a bubble and are tested at least once a week. That's good enough and professional sports people are a special group.