COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Layman's prediction:
Norway cases were healthcare workers. They've previously had COVID and didn't know. Antibodies into overdrive caused clot.

That would probably be the worst case scenario

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

I am so tired of the constant smears against the AZ vaccine. Every week there is something
Moderna never met their targets- no mention of that in the media but it’s constant with the AZ vaccine
If it is true that 15 people suffered a pulmonary embolism after the Pfizer vaccine and 13 after the AZ vaccine then why isn’t the Pfizer Vaccine being pulled as well?

Because of a higher than normal concentration of serious cases among a cluster of young people in Norway, if the 4 incidences followed the same broad pattern elsewhere for AZ or other vacines there wouldn't be an issue.

Deleted User wrote: »

Everyone else: it's fine
Ireland: nah let's dick about and delay and make people worry over nothing.

Same seen with the stillbirth nonsense. Nowhere else around the world has seen it but our authorities know best and will stoke panic.

Why do our authorities want to stoke panic?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Everyone else: it's fine
Ireland: nah let's dick about and delay and make people worry over nothing.

Same seen with the stillbirth nonsense. Nowhere else around the world has seen it but our authorities know best and will stoke panic.

You make it sound like Ireland is the only country pausing the vaccinations with AZ.

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

I am so tired of the constant smears against the AZ vaccine. Every week there is something
Moderna never met their targets- no mention of that in the media but it’s constant with the AZ vaccine
If it is true that 15 people suffered a pulmonary embolism after the Pfizer vaccine and 13 after the AZ vaccine then why isn’t the Pfizer Vaccine being pulled as a precaution as well?

Moderna are a part of the Warp Speed project in the US and can't supply in large quantities until they fulfil their obligation to the US. This has been known for months.

AZ agreed targets, missed them, missed them some more and may miss future targets. Meanwhile they apparently have a plant in Holland with supplies but no EMA paperwork.

This has nothing to do with any of that, it's a pause to look at the potential causes of an issue which may be of concern with their vaccine. It's not the first such pause with a vaccine and probably won't be the last.

Monster249 wrote: »

The major countries administering the highest number of AZ vaccines haven't stopped. Any rational person would assume we've overreacted as usual.

What major counties are they out of interest?
Maybe they haven't seen the same issues as have been seen in the EU? Different supply chains worldwide so if one area is seeing issues it could be down to the supply chain. Like previously where some counties in the EU stopped using a certain batch number.

Yevon wrote: »

My mother (63 and on immunosuppressant) got the call Friday that her Vaccine would be Monday morning. Got a call today to say it was cancelled due to the AZ news.

I'm confused, I thought everyone in the new Cohort 4 was getting Pfizer/Moderna, or did that change?

AZ was being used for under 70's, and was one of the reasons group 4 was started early (as AZ wasn't being used on the over 70's)

timsey tiger wrote: »

Fair enough, but if you take thousands of clusters, some will be above average, take enough and you'll expect some to be well above average. Indeed if none are reported you should suspect your data.

Exactly, but when you see an anomaly that causes a severe reaction, you pause and investigate, this is mostly likely an anomaly, but we don't know it's an anomaly yet.

Monster249 wrote: »

The major countries administering the highest number of AZ vaccines haven't stopped. Any rational person would assume we've overreacted as usual.

We're not among the first countries to pause the rollout, and won't be the last until the investigation is completed.

lbj666 wrote: »

That's wouldn't be a dismissive outcome, that would be pretty serious.

Don't think so. Suggests the half dose regimen may be the most suitable rather than full dose.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Don't think so. Suggests the half dose regimen may be the most suitable rather than full dose.

If that was the case, it would certainly have to go back to trials with people with antibodies.

Yevon wrote: »

The government website says that "anyone 16-69 at mRNA vaccines should be preferentially given to those aged 16-69 years at very high or high risk who have certain medical conditions which may limit their immune response to the vaccine"

I don't care which one she gets as long as she gets it fast, just wondering why this advice isn't being implemented.

I think that's about certain conditions that mean the body's immune response hinders it making the antibodies, so for them, mRNA would be best.
It's not the 16-69 very high risk cohort, it's actually a subset of that group.

It's similar to people who can't take live vaccines due to their immune system.

Wolf359f wrote: »

I think that's about certain conditions that mean the body's immune response hinders it making the antibodies, so for them, mRNA would be best.
It's not the 16-69 very high risk cohort, it's actually a subset of that group.

It's similar to people who can't take live vaccines due to their immune system.

Yep pretty much this. Individuals with various immune disorders or deficiencies, or on certain immune modulating therapies may not get the desired response to the vaccines. In this regard, the MRNA vaccine is recommended because it's believed they give these individuals the highest possible chance of a successful response.


The safety profile is somewhat different. For the viral vectors vaccines and the MRNA the individuals mentioned above could generally regard the vaccines as safe. A conventional 'live' vaccine may actually not be safe for these same individuals.

Cork2021 wrote: »

Anti vax crowd will be like they’ve taken a million viagra pills! They’ll all love this.
Guess who’ll be **** to this news our Zero Covid Elites! Staines, McDonkey, Ryan and Killeen all organising their Microsoft teams orgy

Unfortunately true. I saw Staines gloating with delight on Twitter last week because a few nursing home residents died from Covid a couple of days after getting their first vaccine dose. Like "hooray, the vaccines don't work, we'll need to do ZeroCovid instead".

One thing I haven't seen is how long after vaccination the blood clots are appearing. Is it similar time frames in all the patients or do they vary wildly?