Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

Boggles · 13-03-2021 12:28PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

The flus has a mortality rate of only 0.01%
.

Citation?

Edit: Hang on, are you including people who don't actually get the flu?

Ebola has a mortality rate far far lower than that again so if that are metrics you are using.

It's why we don't measure how lethal a disease is by simple crude division.

Neagra · 13-03-2021 12:37PM

it is impossible to get answers on crude mortality rate for any country for 2020. Why?
is it because if it were released and the figure was readjusted to allow for population growth and then the numbers would be underwhelming.
i think we all know the answer to that.

the lockdowns have been pointless and unnecessary, they have cost billions and after 12 months we have learnt what we knew 12 months ago, the virus cannot be locked up like a vicious dog. the virus is everywhere and it will not be stopped but can be slowed if we our ineffective elected politician's and the bloated over paid under worked health service could get their finger out.

bluelamp · 13-03-2021 12:42PM

gozunda wrote: »

So 2.65 million dead in a single year from Covid-19. That's close to the entire population of Lithuania. Is that scarey?

In fairness you can make anything sound scarier by using a worldwide figure and comparing it to the population of a country.

1.4 million people died of Tuberculosis last year, more than the entire population of Estonia.

RGS · 13-03-2021 12:44PM

gozunda wrote: »

Or we could simply hold our horses and not throw the baby out with the bathwater and get people vaccinated.

I dunno but it sounds sensible to me anyway ..

Vaccines wont get rid of covid. We will have covid for a number off years to come. We haven't extinguished the flu so what makes people believe we will eliminate covid.

It's not happening. We need a proper plan to live with covid.

gozunda · 13-03-2021 01:06PM

bluelamp wrote: »

In fairness you can make anything sound scarier by using a worldwide figure and comparing it to the population of a country.

1.4 million people died of Tuberculosis last year, more than the entire population of Estonia.

Yeah and at near half the numbers of dead than Covid- its still a scarey statistic. Unfortunately unlike covid it is caused by a bacterium which has become resistant to available treatments in many areas. Though thankfully TB doesn't tend to overrun ICUs due to it being generally a long acting disease.

And remember we don't have a final death rate for the current pandemic.

gozunda · 13-03-2021 01:09PM

RGS wrote: »

Vaccines wont get rid of covid. We will have covid for a number off years to come. We haven't extinguished the flu so what makes people believe we will eliminate covid.

It's not happening. We need a proper plan to live with covid.

No one said it will. What it will do is reduce Covid to a disease that will be manageable with proper vaccination.

FintanMcluskey · 13-03-2021 01:13PM

bluelamp wrote: »

In fairness you can make anything sound scarier by using a worldwide figure and comparing it to the population of a country.

1.4 million people died of Tuberculosis last year, more than the entire population of Estonia.

About 3 million kids starve each year.

We are loosing perspective while battling a disease that’s lethal to those past life expectancy

gozunda · 13-03-2021 01:26PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

About 3 million kids starve each year.

We are loosing perspective while battling a disease that’s lethal to those past life expectancy

No it's not just those "past life expectancy". It also affects people with underlying conditions of all ages. At least 50% of covid related hospitalisations are those under the age of 65. Many who do get hospitalised are very sick and require specialist care.

And that's the perspective on the Pandemic that every country in the world is dealing with.

growleaves · 13-03-2021 01:26PM

So 2.65 million dead in a single year from Covid-19. That's close to the entire population of Lithuania. Is that scarey?

No that isn't scary in the slightest.

Someone who finds that scary is deeply confused by big numbers which they aren't used to seeing out of context and unable to keep them in perspective.

In the EU alone, 5.2 million died in 2015. 5.1 million died in 2016.

All 7 billion people alive in the world now are mortal and will die. Over a normal full life span that is 7 billion deaths.

That is 2 million x 3,500 (Think about it...)

Boggles · 13-03-2021 01:27PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

About 3 million kids starve each year.

We are loosing perspective while battling a disease that’s lethal to those past life expectancy

Jaysus, both hamstrings gone with that stretch. I don't ever remember world famines filling up ICU wards in Limerick before.

Again 12 months in and measuring the harm of Covid 19 purely on mortality is beyond remedial and considering it has been pointed out ad nauseam just complete self administered enforced ignorance.

walus · 13-03-2021 01:30PM

gozunda wrote: »

I guess it's how you look at. The current number of known deaths worldwide from Covid-19 is at over 2.6 million (2653534). That's out of a global population of over 7.8 billion. So an effective death rate of 0.035%

So 2.65 million dead in a single year from Covid-19. That's close to the entire population of Lithuania. Is that scarey?

5m people die from pneumonia and tuberculosis annually. Isn’t that more scary? Especially, that no one seems to be much bothered by that?

niallo27 · 13-03-2021 01:33PM

Boggles wrote: »

Jaysus, both hamstrings gone with that stretch. I don't ever remember world famines filling up ICU wards in Limerick before.

Again 12 months in and measuring the harm of Covid 19 purely on mortality is beyond remedial and considering it has been pointed out ad nauseam just complete self administered enforced ignorance.

Let me guess, we were 2 weeks from complete collapse. So answer this question why hasn't the health system completed collapsed in the states which so many states open right now to different degrees. Of course you won't answer, you will just waffle about pints and Christmas.

growleaves · 13-03-2021 01:34PM

gozunda wrote: »

No it's not just those "past life expectancy"

Not just no, but respiratory illnesses are the most common cause of death amongst the elderly in the world.

There is nothing strange or unremarkable about an 83 year old passing away from a respiratory illness, whether they have been in ICU or not.

You have far less *extra* or abnormal deaths than two million.

FintanMcluskey · 13-03-2021 01:34PM

gozunda wrote: »

So 2.65 million dead in a single year from Covid-19. That's close to the entire population of Lithuania. Is that scarey?

Boggles wrote: »

Again 12 months in and measuring the harm of Covid 19 purely on mortality is beyond remedial and considering it has been pointed out ad nauseam just complete self administered enforced ignorance.

I agree.

But the chap above you tried to support his argument using death’s

Boggles · 13-03-2021 01:34PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Let me guess, we were 2 weeks from complete collapse.

Parts of our health care system stopped functioning.

How is that news?

walus · 13-03-2021 01:45PM

gozunda wrote: »

I guess it's how you look at. The current number of known deaths worldwide from Covid-19 is at over 2.6 million (2653534). That's out of a global population of over 7.8 billion. So an effective death rate of 0.035%

So 2.65 million dead in a single year from Covid-19. That's close to the entire population of Lithuania. Is that scarey?

And how do you know that this number that you quote is for those people who died from and not with covid?

Penfailed · 13-03-2021 01:52PM

Klonker wrote: »

Its less restrictions than before but its pushing it to call it an easing of restrictions.

Eh?

wakka12 · 13-03-2021 02:05PM

Anyone else getting so irritable around their family/living arrangement lately? My family are such relaxed and easy going people usually but all 5 of us work from home now and my god seeing the four of them 24/7 without any break or change in routine, cooped up in a small house for an entire year, finding myself snapping at the smallest most minor things they do and say and having to leave the room

ingo1984 · 13-03-2021 02:12PM

Neagra wrote: »

what happens the irish economy after this is all over.
what happens when the wage subsidies end and the covid pup is replaced by the dole.
what happens when inflation causes prices to rise across europe, no one can deny inflation is on its way. the amercian covid relief fund which is worth 1.9 trillion is enough on its own to cause inflation in Ireland and europe
the only way you can fight inflation is to increase interest rates and stop printing money.
what happens then is governments cannot service its debt so it increases taxes and cuts services.

late 2022 is when i expect the fallout to start.
we will reach a point where the virus is practically gone and the state will be in serious debt and will have to raise taxes and cut services.
we will still have a housing crisis and a sh1t health service.
and then the people will see we were never in this together.

That's exactly it. Covid will be a walk in the park compared to the economic fall out. Wait until interest rates rise, then the fun will begin.

the kelt · 13-03-2021 02:15PM

growleaves wrote: »

No that isn't scary in the slightest.

Someone who finds that scary is deeply confused by big numbers which they aren't used to seeing out of context and unable to keep them in perspective.

In the EU alone, 5.2 million died in 2015. 5.1 million died in 2016.

All 7 billion people alive in the world now are mortal and will die. Over a normal full life span that is 7 billion deaths.

That is 2 million x 3,500 (Think about it...)

Yep,

Imagine looking at other causes of death in the world and the numbers involved, but of course it’s 2021, all that matters is COVID deaths.

For example around 2.3 million die from work related accidents every year, scary? No, just a fookin fact of life that people.

Around 1.35 million die from road traffic accidents, time to take in the roads again.

Around 1 million take their own life EVERY year, but don’t hear people jumping up and down declaring how scary it is! Same people all concerned about COVID quite frankly couldn’t give a ****e about it.

Check how many die with cancer every year worldwide but again it’s not COVID so not scary!

wakka12 · 13-03-2021 02:18PM

gozunda wrote: »

I guess it's how you look at. The current number of known deaths worldwide from Covid-19 is at over 2.6 million (2653534). That's out of a global population of over 7.8 billion. So an effective death rate of 0.035%

So 2.65 million dead in a single year from Covid-19. That's close to the entire population of Lithuania. Is that scarey?

2.65 million is very high considering 80% of them are in Europe, North and South America which is only 2 billion people. But then there is the issue of knowing how many died 'with' , and I think the main reason people were originally finding the numbers scary is because we were led to believe it would be so so much higher in an alternate scenario without lockdowns.It's beginning to look like that's not really the case. Ireland does have lower COVID death rate than most of Europe due it it's stringent lockdown, but it's not dramatically lower considering how heavy the restrictions are here, and many states like Florida and others dropping restrictions and not seeing any major increase in deaths above the national average, unfortunately this shows us that lockdown is not preventing nearly as many covid deaths as we originally believed.

hamburgham · 13-03-2021 02:26PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Anyone else getting so irritable around their family/living arrangement lately? My family are such relaxed and easy going people usually but all 5 of us work from home now and my god seeing the four of them 24/7 without any break or change in routine, cooped up in a small house for an entire year, finding myself snapping at the smallest most minor things they do and say and having to leave the room

I’ve had a couple of weekends where I could barely be bothered to get dressed. Mood does improve when there’s a bit of sun though.

13-03-2021 02:44PM

Seems like NPHET and Government have been reading my recent posts on here.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1370729958155427844

Stheno · 13-03-2021 02:46PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Seems like NPHET and Government have been reading my recent posts on here.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1370729958155427844

Eh who from NPHET and Government are you referring to?

gozunda · 13-03-2021 02:53PM

growleaves wrote: »

No that isn't scary in the slightest. Someone who finds that scary is deeply confused by big numbers which they aren't used to seeing out of context and unable to keep them in perspective. In the EU alone, 5.2 million died in 2015. 5.1 million died in 2016.
All 7 billion people alive in the world now are mortal and will die. Over a normal full life span that is 7 billion deaths.
That is 2 million x 3,500 (Think about it...)

Ah by that metric we can go a wipe out whole populations and not bat an eye...

I'd say there are some people confused by big numbers alright

RGS · 13-03-2021 02:53PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Anyone else getting so irritable around their family/living arrangement lately? My family are such relaxed and easy going people usually but all 5 of us work from home now and my god seeing the four of them 24/7 without any break or change in routine, cooped up in a small house for an entire year, finding myself snapping at the smallest most minor things they do and say and having to leave the room

This is the type of issue that the government and NPHET don't consider because they do see these problems. Their work day is close to normal . None of them are working from home, they get to go to the office every day, attend numerous TV studios and give numerous interviews. The dail still sits albeit at a slightly reduced basis.

Its impossible to understand peoples frustrations/problems when you are well insulated from the causes of these issues.

RGS · 13-03-2021 02:58PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Seems like NPHET and Government have been reading my recent posts on here.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1370729958155427844

Your got take in by that ISAG member gabriel scally.

No chance we are going down that route.

gozunda · 13-03-2021 02:58PM

walus wrote: »

5m people die from pneumonia and tuberculosis annually. Isn’t that more scary? Especially, that no one seems to be much bothered by that?

So your playing disease snap? Nice.

I'd reckon that people are 'bothered by all diseases both bacterial and viral. Though that said some really don't seem to know the difference. Good treatments available btw. Though antibiotic resistance is now an issue with TB. There's even a vaccine for certain types of pneumonia. As well.

And yes this is a declared pandemic and vaccines are only now in play. Go figure.

KanyeSouthEast · 13-03-2021 03:00PM

RGS wrote: »

This is the type of issue that the government and NPHET don't consider because they do see these problems. Their work day is close to normal . None of them are working from home, they get to go to the office every day, attend numerous TV studios and give numerous interviews. The dail still sits albeit at a slightly reduced basis.

Its impossible to understand peoples frustrations/problems when you are well insulated from the causes of these issues.

They’ll tell you to hold firm. Surely the worst if this is the opposition though. Labour SF etc are actually worse than the Govt. put that with your media being RTE or really is a perfect storm. This time last year we were flattening the curve for 2 weeks. It’s laughable only it’s so serious. Paddy knows best though I guess.

gozunda · 13-03-2021 03:07PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I agree.

But the chap above you tried to support his argument using death’s

I didn't you know. It was simply an observation on someone else's comment which you took and ran away and added some daft aside.

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