Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

copeyhagen

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Ireland, the UK, France, Germany, the netherlands, Denmark, Finland, Czech republic, Slovakia, Portugal, almost all of Italy, Austria, Switzerland.

You can't visit a bar in any of these countries. I'm not sure about the rest, but I think it's similar for all but a couple of outliers.
By all means, prove me wrong.

Some of you have a funny idea of what's going on in the rest of the world

your fooking flat out lying.

firstly ,theres 27 EU Countries.

Portugal - all pubs/restaurants open, but take away only until next week.
Netherlands - same

Italy has been open for months, just closing now.
rest of the Countries im not arsed checking.

your full of sh1t "cant egt a pint in Europe.. LOL"

copeyhagen

copeyhagen wrote: »

your fooking flat out lying.

firstly ,theres 27 EU Countries.

Portugal - all pubs/restaurants open, but take away only until next week.
Netherlands - same

Italy has been open for months, just closing now.
rest of the Countries im not arsed checking.

your full of sh1t "cant egt a pint in Europe.. LOL"

he just disapears when hes talking ****e does he?

Real Donald Trump

Florida doing well, packed stadium a few weeks back for the super bowl, doing okay atm, makes you wonder about the whole thing

gozunda

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

Florida doing well, packed stadium a few weeks back for the super bowl, doing okay atm, makes you wonder about the whole thing

Florida? Yeah sure - makes you wonder about the whole thing

With its high percentage of elderly people and retirees - Florida hasn't had a particularly easy time of it tbh. This from the middle of February.

10,000 residents, staff of nursing homes dead from COVID Since the pandemic began,

the far more populous county had recorded the most COVID-19 deaths at its long-term care facilities.

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/2021/02/12/10-000-residents-staff-florida-nursing-homes-dead-covid/6738545002/

Flags lowered in remembrance of Florida Covid deaths

The Florida Department of Health reported Tuesday that 31,135 Floridians have died from COVID-related illnesses. An additional 561 non-residents have died in the state. To date, there have been 1,918,100 documented COVID-19 cases in Florida.

https://news.wjct.org/post/flags-be-lowered-wednesday-remembrance-florida-covid-deaths

The good news seems to be from its vaccination program.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article249865038.html

Found this guide updated today according to site, shows what things are like in other countries restrictions/ travel wise, what’s opened closed etc. It’s very refreshing to read that some places still have life left in them. Long long read loads and loads in there as it goes country by country.

https://www.getyourguide.com/magazine/coronavirus-travel-restrictions/

Real Donald Trump

gozunda wrote: »

Florida? Yeah sure - makes you wonder about the whole thing

With its high percentage of elderly people and retirees - Florida hasn't had a particularly easy time of it tbh. This from the middle of February.



https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/2021/02/12/10-000-residents-staff-florida-nursing-homes-dead-covid/6738545002/

Flags lowered in remembrance of Florida Covid deaths



https://news.wjct.org/post/flags-be-lowered-wednesday-remembrance-florida-covid-deaths

How is NY and California doing with there strict lockdowns?

gozunda

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

How is NY and California doing with there strict lockdowns?

No idea. You didn't mention them in you Floridian comment.

Wolf359f

normanoffside wrote: »

There is definitely a changing tide now. #Endthelockdown is trending on twitter and being vocalised by people who were previously in favour of most restrictions.

This is the most vocal I have seen McNamara

https://twitter.com/MlMcNamaraTD/status/1370352381083455492

I especially like this pint (which I pointed to yesterday)

https://twitter.com/MlMcNamaraTD/status/1370353671586918401

https://twitter.com/MlMcNamaraTD/status/1370354661832724484

I'd be in the camp favoring restrictions, but Jesus not this long.
I think McNamara is trying to break that NPHET-Government link.
NPHET advise, Government act. Lately Government are just acting or funneling through NPHET's concerns (so they have a fall guy and also cause they may lack the will to make a decision... or in real terms, govern). Now if we magically have a massive surge outta nowhere, fair enough, but all that's changed in months, is schools back. This is far from Xmas.

gozunda

Wolf359f wrote: »

I'd be in the camp favoring restrictions, but Jesus not this long.
I think McNamara is trying to break that NPHET-Government link.
NPHET advise, Government act. Lately Government are just acting or funneling through NPHET's concerns (so they have a fall guy and also cause they may lack the will to make a decision... or in real terms, govern). Now if we magically have a massive surge outta nowhere, fair enough, but all that's changed in months, is schools back. This is far from Xmas.

McNamara was never a proponent of restrictions to help reduce Covid infection rates here - having previously referred to restrictions as 'hysteria'. Not sure why the OP labelled him as someone who was advocated for restrictions tbh.

Real Donald Trump

gozunda wrote: »

No idea. You didn't mention them in you Floridian comment.

Doing well. no Lombardy situation

gozunda

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

Doing well. no Lombardy situation

Lombardy? Wasn't New Yorks hospitals on their knees not that long ago? Ditto California more recently?

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/1-year-of-covid-19-in-a-critical-care-department#A-new-virus

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/01/why-california-hospitals-overwhelmed-covid/617637/

Afaik the whole of the US has been a basket case when it comes to infection rates / deaths from Covid-19. The current death rate there is apparently on par with the death rate for the 1918 Flu Epidemic.

The main thing the country seems to have going for it - is its current relatively high vaccination rates. Hope they keep ahead with that.

Kermit.de.frog

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aziz

Any sign of the keelings workers yet

Real Donald Trump

aziz wrote: »

Any sign of the keelings workers yet

Too busy rehearsing dance videos

Real Donald Trump

gozunda wrote: »

Lombardy? Wasn't New Yorks hospitals on their knees not that long ago? Ditto California more recently?

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/1-year-of-covid-19-in-a-critical-care-department#A-new-virus

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/01/why-california-hospitals-overwhelmed-covid/617637/

Afaik the whole of the US has been a basket case when it comes to infection rates / deaths from Covid-19. The current death rate there is apparently on par with the death rate for the 1918 Flu Epidemic.

The main thing the country seems to have going for it - is its current relatively high vaccination rates. Hope they keep ahead with that.

Florida and Texas along with other states in the US seem to be getting on with life no problem, great to see tbh

Time to stop banging the drum about "plateauing of Covid figures" and start treating the general public like adults. We get it, the B117 variant is quite contagious. No, the vast majority of us are not at any discernible health risk. Key metrics from this point on are numbers hospitalised with Covid and admissions into ICU. Which are falling away steadily. Why? The most vulnerable have been vaccinated. "If daily cases aren't at a certain level by April 5th"....NPHET and their lackeys the government can go to hell. We've tolerated enough over the past year, and introducing passive aggressive rhetoric about hitting targets months from now will drive people into open rebellion. As an afterthought, the very notion of imposing more severe lockdowns and curfews is pure lunacy.

Wolf359f

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The restrictions are not tough or strict enough.

What I would do tomorrow...

If we were serious about getting where we need to be in the most efficient time possible we need a Lombardy type lockdown across the country.

• No one leaves their home without a permit for supplies - one permit per family, one supply run every 2 days
• Everything shut down apart from the most essential stores for basic supply runs
• Mask mandate outdoors
• All travel in and out of Ireland suspended, all internal road travel with emergency permits only/public transport halted
• Unsympathetic enforcement by the gardai and the army
• Large fines or jail for those who can't stick to rules (quick build facilities as required)

Do that and the end is measured in weeks.

Keep messing around as we have been since the start and we are having the same conversation this time next year.

Which is it to be Micheál?

They don't have the courage to do what they should have done long before now and we wouldn't be where we are.

I won't pick the rest apart, but define essential stores?
You mean supermarkets? They need supplies, so their suppliers need to stay open.
They need those supplies delivered, so couriers are ok.
Getting back to the suppliers, most things come in either metal, plastic or cardboard containers, so that 3 more industries to stay open.
The printer doesn't actually produce the paper, they just print, so the ink supplier and the paper merchant need to stay open.
It can go on and on and on. It's called an economy.
You cannot shut it down entirely, nor can you shut down all but one section (supermarkets) without keeping others opened.

ypres5

Wolf359f wrote: »

I won't pick the rest apart, but define essential stores?
You mean supermarkets? They need supplies, so their suppliers need to stay open.
They need those supplies delivered, so couriers are ok.
Getting back to the suppliers, most things come in either metal, plastic or cardboard containers, so that 3 more industries to stay open.
The printer doesn't actually produce the paper, they just print, so the ink supplier and the paper merchant need to stay open.
It can go on and on and on. It's called an economy.
You cannot shut it down entirely, nor can you shut down all but one section (supermarkets) without keeping others opened.

i honestly find it disturbing when people put this much thought and effort into plotting out their fantasies of mass incarceration on a national level and then feel the need to share it on a public forum like a badge of honour you will never be able to convince me there's a certain amount of people who are getting a sick kick out of the whole situation or schadenfreude from people's misery

ceadaoin.

gozunda wrote: »

Lombardy? Wasn't New Yorks hospitals on their knees not that long ago? Ditto California more recently?

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/1-year-of-covid-19-in-a-critical-care-department#A-new-virus

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/01/why-california-hospitals-overwhelmed-covid/617637/

Afaik the whole of the US has been a basket case when it comes to infection rates / deaths from Covid-19. The current death rate there is apparently on par with the death rate for the 1918 Flu Epidemic.

The main thing the country seems to have going for it - is its current relatively high vaccination rates. Hope they keep ahead with that.

No healthcare system in the US was ever in a Lombardy situation. The field hospitals were dismantled a long time ago, the vast majority never treated a single patient.

https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/ohio-health-leaders-share-benefits-of-converting-convention-center-into-field-hospital-as-austin-does-the-same/

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/07/851712311/u-s-field-hospitals-stand-down-most-without-treating-any-covid-19-patients

You should look into how california calculated availability of beds.. they were never full.

However, the state’s figure does not measure actual remaining capacity because it is adjusted downward if a region has at least a certain percentage of COVID-19 patients occupying its ICU beds.

“If a region is utilizing more than 30% of its ICU beds for COVID-19 positive patients, then its available ICU capacity is reduced by 0.5% for each 1% over the 30% threshold.

Where I am never cancelled cancer screenings, doesn't have a waiting list of almost a million people waiting for treatments. Been opened since last May, we didn't get overwhelmed. Cases are dropping regardless. Who is the basket case?

Whatsisname

“Supply runs”. ****ing hell. Are we living through the zombie apocalypse now?

namloc1980

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

Florida doing well, packed stadium a few weeks back for the super bowl, doing okay atm, makes you wonder about the whole thing

That's false. The crowd at the Superbowl was just over a third of the stadium capacity.

gozunda

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

Florida and Texas along with other states in the US seem to be getting on with life no problem, great to see tbh

Yeah you mentioned Florida already

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=116565428#post116565428

Do you live in the US or just picking individual states randomly?

Crazy to think that the current death rate there is apparently on par with the death rate for the 1918 Flu Epidemic.

Great place to live if you can afford the healthcare I guess

Still leading the world in the number of cases and deaths from Covid-19



Current states in the US with highest case numbers etc

TonyMaloney

copeyhagen wrote: »

he just disapears when hes talking ****e does he?

I occasionally go to bed, you charming person.

And I wasn't "talking ****". Sober up

bloopy

Whatsisname wrote: »

“Supply runs”. ****ing hell. Are we living through the zombie apocalypse now?

I like the part about building 'facilities' for rule breakers. I was laughed at a few months ago by the same group of posters for suggesting that some on here were not far from demanding detention camps in the Curragh.

Ted_YNWA

copeyhagen wrote: »

he just disapears when hes talking ****e does he?

TonyMaloney wrote: »

I occasionally go to bed, you charming person.

And I wasn't "talking ****". Sober up

Mod

Play nice, or you will disappear permanently.

ceadaoin.

gozunda wrote: »

Yeah you mentioned Florida already

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116565428&postcount=6118

Do you live in the US or just picking individual states randomly?

Crazy to think that the current death rate there is apparently on par with the death rate for the 1918 Flu Epidemic.

Great place to live if you can afford the healthcare I guess

Still leading the world in the number of cases and deaths from Covid-19



Current states in the US with highest case numbers etc

Sort the worldometer by deaths per capita and it looks quite different. I mean, of course some of the world's most populous countries have more cases compared to ireland. The US is currently 11th in the world in deaths per capita and no, its nowhere near Spanish flu levels last I heard. Do you have a link?

Three of those top 5 states by case numbers had restrictions btw, some of the most strict. The states with the worst death rates had lockdowns. But locking down works.

ceadaoin.

namloc1980 wrote: »

That's false. The crowd at the Superbowl was just over a third of the stadium capacity.

I'm sure you can forgive that poster for thinking 25,000 was "packed" given that in ireland seeing your parents, or God forbid, grandparents, apparently means certain death.

Anyway, a lot of people went to florida for the super bowl that weren't actually attending the game. Nothing happened.

gozunda

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Sort the worldometer by deaths per capita and it looks quite different. I mean, of course some of the world's most populous countries have more cases compared to ireland. The US is currently 11th in the world in deaths per capita and no, its nowhere near Spanish flu levels last I heard. Do you have a link?

Three of those top 5 states by case numbers had restrictions btw, some of the most strict. The states with the worst death rates had lockdowns. But locking down works.

True. The states numbers are still fairly jaw dropping all the same.




On the 1918 Flu in the US.
Estimates as to how many infected people died vary greatly. It is now estimated that about 500,000 to 850,000 people died.

I used the low figure of half a million btw. Source below.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2740912/

Current deaths from Covid-19 in the US are at 545,544

As for lockdowns. I guess individual states within the US have significant issues with multiple land borders. Its also relevant as to when the restrictions or lockdown were brought in how well they were managed and how high the death rates in those states already were. At the other end it would certainly appear that lockdowns worked in China.

Hellrazer

gozunda wrote: »

Do you live in the US or just picking individual states randomly?

Crazy to think that the current death rate there is apparently on par with the death rate for the 1918 Flu Epidemic.

Ah Gozunda youre starting to sound like NPHET and RTE with the scaremongering now :D:D

In 1918 the population of the US was only 103 million a third of todays.
They had 675,000 deaths.

That's about 0.78 % of their population died from Spanish Flu.

Today they have 382million

That's ONLY 0.14% of the population have died with covid.

If covid had the same death rate as the 1918 flu they`d have 2,979,600 deaths so far.


No where near the death rate of covid.

ceadaoin.

gozunda wrote: »

True. The states numbers are still fairly jaw dropping all the same.




On the 1918 Flu in the US.
Estimates as to how many infected people died vary greatly. It is now estimated that about 500,000 to 850,000 people died.

I used the low figure of half a million btw. Source below.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2740912/

Current deaths from Covid-19 in the US are at 545,544

As for lockdowns. I guess individual states within the US have significant issues with multiple land borders. Its also relevant as to when the restrictions or lockdown were brought in how well they were managed and how high the death rates in those states already were. At the other end it would certainly appear that lockdowns worked in China.

You're just looking at numbers though and not adjusting for population. At the time of the Spanish flu the US population was 100 million or thereabouts. Its not comparable.

Re the death rate, New York I understand, they were blindsided and the nursing home debacle screwed the elderly population. California has been under restrictions since last March though and it still didn't work out for them.