Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Blut2

john4321 wrote: »

The original source is here:

https://freepress.ie/2021/03/exclusive-irish-foi-data-release-proves-there-was-no-pandemic/

Far right conspiracy theory site.

But again, what difference does it make who breaks the story? You can safely ignore any of their interpretation and just look at the data yourself. It comes straight from the HSE.

RobitTV

April 5th isn't looking too good right now. The 'worried' word is making its grand return.

Blut2

Blut2 wrote: »

No idea where you're getting that from. It was posted on broadsheet.ie, a fairly left-wing news website.

Either way though its HSE data released to a FOI request. Who made the FOI doesn't really matter - the data is authentic, and speaks for itself.

The data on the number of available beds in Irish hospitals is also available - they did not double. They barely increased at all. So thats not a valid criticism. Irish hospitals were very empty for most of 2020 compared to most years.

edit: if you want a secondary source:



For example from that we have less Trolley days this February [2021] (3,465) compared to February last year [pre-corona] (10,446).

All of the data coming out, from every source, shows how little strain Irish hospitals were under from corona compared to a normal year.

And all the media telling us hospitals bursting at the seams and overwhelmed shocking.

walus

Blut2 wrote: »

But again, what difference does it make who breaks the story? You can safely ignore any of their interpretation and just look at the data yourself. It comes straight from the HSE.

It seems that anything that does not aligned with the narrative pumped out by the government outlets, especially of contrarian character, is being labelled conspiracy theory or far right. Yet another defence line in indefensible arguments for lockdowns.

Boggles

john4321 wrote: »

The original source is here:

https://freepress.ie/2021/03/exclusive-irish-foi-data-release-proves-there-was-no-pandemic/

Far right conspiracy theory site.

Jesus Christ the absolute state of that "Blog".

A one stop shop for lunacy.

Ha Long Bay

Blut2 wrote: »

But again, what difference does it make who breaks the story? You can safely ignore any of their interpretation and just look at the data yourself. It comes straight from the HSE.

Firstly it's not much of a story, its an article denying the pandemic also known as a conspiracy theory.

It tried to use them figures from the FOI without looking at any other data and presumed the ICU bed number stayed static.

This is not the case and this can explain the utilization figures.


“Recent funding in March of this year from HSE/Department of Health brought our base adult critical care bed numbers from 257 adult beds (197 level 3 and 60 level 2) to 285 (239 level 3 and 46 level 2), still far short of the HSE own recommendations (by 145 beds). This is insufficient to deal with the additional high numbers of critically ill patients with Covid-19 in addition to our usual cohort of critically ill patients.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ireland-s-icu-facilities-can-deal-with-just-411-patients-warn-critical-care-specialists-1.4232655

Ha Long Bay

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus Christ the absolute state of that "Blog".

A one stop shop for lunacy.

My favourites are "The Direct Influence Of Bill Gates In Ireland…" and "Professor Luke O’Neill Wants To Get Into Your Childrens Bodies And Minds…"

themacattack.

RobitTV wrote: »

April 5th isn't looking too good right now. The 'worried' word is making its grand return.

starting to think the same...the construction industry federation saying its essential sites are allowed open april 5th...id say they are worried now nphet will advise construction to remain closed...micheal martin has warned that case numbers will determine the governments announcement in relation to what restrictions could be eased on april the 5th....this government has no backbone and will take absolute zero risk now and try and balance the economy...truly shocking that we have such bad leaders representing us...

Frozen Veg

Out and about today for the first time in a while. The government need to realise this 'lockdown' strategy has worn off. People are looking to live again.

Lockdowns need to be short and strict. This half arsed prolonged lockdown is unsustainable and not working.

- 0.00007% of the population in hospital.
- Majority of healthcare staff vaccinated.
- vulnerable vaccinated
- economy in tatters
- people's mental health in tatters
- hospital waiting lists growing by the day. A pandemic in itself.

Time for the government to open their eyes. Let the people actually 'Live with Covid'. There is a virus out there, people know that and let them take accountability for their own safety and health.

Fear of hospitals getting over run is not an excuse for locking up the whole population. You've had 12 months to scale up the health services to meet requirements.

hiptobesquare

john4321 wrote: »

My favourites are "The Direct Influence Of Bill Gates In Ireland…" and "Professor Luke O’Neill Wants To Get Into Your Childrens Bodies And Minds…"

Did you ignore the bit in their article where it shows St James's sent 54 elderly sick Covid patients out of the hospital and back into Nursing homes for care (confirmed by the Mirror and other newspapers), when ST James's OWN figures show they were at 48% capacity?

Or is that a 'far right' fact too?

From article:

We have written extensively about the Nursing home actions of the the government and NPHET in Freepress.ie. These new hospital figures show conclusively that the hospitals were half empty. Those covid-positive elderly people should have been kept in hospital where sick people are normally treated, not sent back into vulnerable mortally ill nursing home populations to cause havoc. The HSE and Irish Government knew this at the time, and they knew the hospitals were the best place to treat these people.

We wrote about how certain US Governors are now being investigated for similar nursing home decrees by the FBI earlier this month. It has been argued that these actions were taken deliberately to boost Covid-death numbers, to help the pandemic program. Many new readers will find that notion hard to believe, but many of our readers believe this is exactly what happened. If someone can explain why this action was justified feel free to comment below, no registration is required.

Here’s Ireland’s largest hospital, St James’s hospital – which is not part of the previous Ireland East hospital group.


St James’s hospital, Ireland’s largest, and four years of bed occupancy levels. Never under strain in 2020.
Same picture. Indeed, you will see the same picture across all Irish hospitals if you chart them yourself in excel or give the numbers a brief examination across all four years. Fifty-four elderly sick Covid patients were transferred from St James’s hospital to understaffed nursing homes by decree.

Why were they discharged if St James’s was almost empty as their own figures show us, when they could have received the best care in hospital for what the HSE & Government said at the time was a deadly disease?

Let’s now take a look at a Cancer hospital, St Luke’s Oncology and radiation network. Remember, cancer diagnosis, treatment & detection services were shut down across the country on the basis that Covid was a bigger threat to life (despite the Irish Government and HSE having access to data from Italy in March 2020, whichshowed conclusively that Covid was not a major pandemic threat – we reported on that here."

gozunda

titan18 wrote: »

Hairdressers open in most countries across Europe though. It's one of the first things they reopen which to me shows how safe it is.

Hmm so let me see - you say 'most' countries 'hairdressers open'. Open when exactly btw?

The example of the UK was given for comparison btw to your idea that they should never have been shut. And that's not to say we should copy the UK - but neither should we look elsewhere and say ohhh look hairdressers are open in Qatar - they should be open everywhere. It doesn't follow.

Your logic is above is that if hairdressers are open somewhere else they're safe - but the fact that they're not open in the UK does that mean they are unsafe?

Let's look at another example - Germany only just opened their hairdressers after being closed for nearly 3 months. Italy has recently moved to close Hairdressers in Red Zones but leave them open in Orange Zones.

So again what does that say about expert opinion and the risk of spread of infection?

What does seem to be a factor of opening personal services such as hairdressing is the rate of infection in anyone country including the risks posed by the new UK variant of Covid-19 which has a much higher rate of transmissibility.

Or is it that you've got your hands on some brand new research that shows otherwise?

alentejo

The government will have to have some kind of opening by July. We simply as a country cant afford to shut shop for much longer!

funnydoggy

hiptobesquare wrote: »

Did you ignore the bit in their article where it shows St James's sent 54 elderly sick Covid patients out of the hospital and back into Nursing homes for care (confirmed by the Mirror and other newspapers), when ST James's OWN figures show they were at 48% capacity?

Or is that a 'far right' fact too?

Why not post under your main account?

hiptobesquare

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus Christ the absolute state of that "Blog".

A one stop shop for lunacy.

I read Boards from time to time, more just to gauge sentiment and basically see how effective RTE news has been on the minds of the public on various topics, so I'm genuinely curious exactly what you deem lunacy on that site? Not trying to bait you - i suppose this question comes from an accumulation of me seeing non-mainstream sources dismissed so easily, and im trying to understand your thought process through specifics.

Thank you.

walus

alentejo wrote: »

The government will have to have some kind of opening by July. We simply as a country cant afford to shut shop for much longer!

The only problem is that we have here been saying the exact same thing in July last year, and look what happened. The have sunk into this 50bn or so and a few more billions will not be considered as too much of a cost to the government.

Ha Long Bay

hiptobesquare wrote: »

Did you ignore the bit in their article where it shows St James's sent 54 elderly sick Covid patients out of the hospital and back into Nursing homes for care (confirmed by the Mirror and other newspapers), when ST James's OWN figures show they were at 48% capacity?

Or is that a 'far right' fact too?

In the Bill Gates controlling me article or the Luke O Neill trying to get into your childrens bodies article?

hiptobesquare

funnydoggy wrote: »

Why not post under your main account?

Why not just stay on topic? Its possible i have an account from years and years ago but i gave up posting a long time ago because its very very difficult to say unapproved things. No idea what username was.

Lets stay on topic. Do you care about those elderly people sent out of James's? Or is just the tiny chance your own health could be harmed by covid that youre worried about?

walus

john4321 wrote: »

In the Bill Gates controlling me article or the Luke O Neill trying to get into your childrens bodies article?

Ok, a quick calibrating question. How do you call ISAG with their ‘150k will die’ and zero covid advocacy?

Loafing Oaf

john4321 wrote: »

the Luke O Neill trying to get into your childrens bodies article?

That falls more under the heading of 'libel' than 'lunacy' though...

hiptobesquare

john4321 wrote: »

In the Bill Gates controlling me article or the Luke O Neill trying to get into your childrens bodies article?

I asked for specifics, if you're not willing to give them then let's not clog up the thread. Clearly you haven't read even a part of the article's you're ridiculing (the second one looks to be by a reader given the intro), so there's no point in discussing it further really.

I also seen nothing there about 'controlling' in the title. What is fact though is that Gates has huge influence over Irish government policy. That article is actually one of the more measured articles on there and pulls many punches. Most of their other stuff doesnt.

pjohnson

A blog calling for a military coup and claiming there isn't and never was a global pandemic is meant to be treated seriously?

Neagra

themacattack. wrote: »

starting to think the same...the construction industry federation saying its essential sites are allowed open april 5th...id say they are worried now nphet will advise construction to remain closed...micheal martin has warned that case numbers will determine the governments announcement in relation to what restrictions could be eased on april the 5th....this government has no backbone and will take absolute zero risk now and try and balance the economy...truly shocking that we have such bad leaders representing us...

the sheer ineptitude of the vaccine rollout is not surprising for me.
Any TD, local councillor, member of the senate, member of a quango, anyone who works in the public sector, anyone employed in a charity/private body which is actually funded by the government,
they are all work shy, over paid and the majority of their jobs are unnecessary.
they all hold the taxpayer who pays their wages with utter contempt.
they are the reason we are still in lockdown because the lockdown has not affected them.

hiptobesquare

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

That falls more under the heading of 'libel' than 'lunacy' though...

As far as im aware, O Neill's company makes more money the more his vaccine tech is bought by nations. Nations are made up of many children, so it's actually pretty accurate. He wants his untested therapeutic product in children.

Ha Long Bay

walus wrote: »

Ok, a quick calibrating question. How do you call ISAG with their ‘150k will die’ and zero covid advocacy?

I call them extreme views and don't agree with them just the same as I don't agree with conspiracy theorists like the author on that site.

All I was trying to do was highlight where the other posters information came from and should be questioned.

I hate lockdowns and can not wait till restrictions are lifted but being a realist also know this will take another few months.

pjohnson

Jaysus just saw even GRIPT are disagreeing with that "blog" :pac:

hiptobesquare

pjohnson wrote: »

A blog calling for a military coup and claiming there isn't and never was a global pandemic is meant to be treated seriously?

369 people died in Ireland who didn't have life threatening underlying condition since Covid began, that came from another FOI release that has been doing the rounds. Those are official figures. Doesn't sound like a pandemic to me but hey, i turned by TV off last february.

So if those are the numbers that died, and places like James's (biggest opideal in the country), are at 48% capacity some months, what will it take for you to question the pandemic narrative? Genuine question.

Boggles

pjohnson wrote: »

Jaysus just saw even GRIPT are disagreeing with that "blog" :pac:

I did chuckle at that.

:pac:

gozunda

themacattack. wrote: »

so what?are we following the uks plan or something?i wish we were tbh at least there would be some sort of a way out....i dont believe that any of the business i mentioned should ever have been shut in the first place...my point about leo chuckling away about his messy hair was imagine you are a barber sitting at home listening to that...your business has been shut down unnessarily maybe you have lost everything by now all savings gone bills mounting maybe your partner is working in hospitality sitting at home with no job...future looking bleak...and the people in charge of the shambles having a little laugh about their hair....

No. Do try read what was written in context before jumping into the sea of assumptions. As explained in another comment - hairdressers were closed across Europe as a means of reducing the risk of p2p infection. They are currently closed in the UK for the same reason. Its not like we're completely out on a limb with that particular restriction.

OK so you don't believe any of them should have been shut in the first place. Well that's simply your opinion and it doesn't stand up to the known risks from close contact personal care services.

As for imagining and maybes- many many people have had their businesses and jobs seriously impacted since the start of pandemic but imagining some dickensian tale doesn't really help eitherway.

As I said looks like Leo was laughing at himself not anyone else and that's ok by me.

hiptobesquare

john4321 wrote: »

I call them extreme views and don't agree with them just the same as I don't agree with conspiracy theorists like the author on that site.

All I was trying to do was highlight where the other posters information came from and should be questioned.

I hate lockdowns and can not wait till restrictions are lifted but being a realist also know this will take another few months.

Gerry Killeen of ISAg, said he wanted to bash Ivor Killeen with a hurley. He also said on Matt cooper last summer that 30k plus would die soon. He's an absolute Loolaa and yet seems to get a pass . Gript did the Zeroleaks series and it hasnt been touched by the mainstream.

gript.ie/frankly-id-prefer-to-sort-this-out-with-a-good-hurley-and-no-witnesses-zero-covid-group/

hiptobesquare

gozunda wrote: »

No. Do try read what was written in context before jumping into the sea of assumptions. As explained in another comment - hairdressers were closed across Europe as a means of reducing the risk of p2p infection. They are currently closed in the UK for the same reason. Its not like we're completely out on a limb with that particular restriction.

OK so you don't believe any of them should have been shut in the first place. Well that's simply your opinion and it doesn't stand up to the known risks from close contact personal care services.

As for imagining and maybes- many many people have had their businesses and jobs seriously impacted since the start of pandemic but imagining some dickensian tale doesn't really help eitherway.

As I said looks like Leo was laughing at himself not anyone else and that's ok by me.

The world health organisation have been very consistent saying asymptomatic spread is not a thing, so a really good way to get things going is say "hey, if you have symptoms of a cold, stay at home" just to be on the safe side.

You know, what we should have done in March last year and not destroyed our economy and society, along with hundreds of thousands of working class jobs.