Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

TonyMaloney

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Well if you can name a country with the equivalent of our level 5+ or whatever it is we have now, plus a curfew I’d be amazed

Portugal

They're about to start coming out of it because it's worked very well. But jayzus that was a tough few months for them.

RobitTV

Irish Times: Taoiseach warns on easing of restrictions as case numbers remain stubbornly high

Taoiseach Micheál Martin has expressed concern about stubbornly high Covid-19 case numbers and said “the journey” between now and April 5th would determine the extent to which restrictions can be eased next month.

Echoing concerns expressed by the National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet), which reported 10 deaths and 646 cases on Friday, Mr Martin called on the public to protect the progress made to date.

Irish Times

fin12

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Each other.

Look, as I said it's just idle speculation on my part and not something I'd ever want to see.
It's not on the cards, so relax

Idle speculation from u, if it was something been seriously considered it would be all over the media, more misery they love nothing better.... u clearly want one , why else bring it up?

PTH2009

RobitTV wrote: »

Irish Times: Taoiseach warns on easing of restrictions as case numbers remain stubbornly high

Taoiseach Micheál Martin has expressed concern about stubbornly high Covid-19 case numbers and said “the journey” between now and April 5th would determine the extent to which restrictions can be eased next month.

Echoing concerns expressed by the National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet), which reported 10 deaths and 646 cases on Friday, Mr Martin called on the public to protect the progress made to date.

Irish Times

Needed that confidence boost

we can't achieve the low numbers like we did last March/April/May no matter what NPHET say or impose

RobitTV

Varadkar also warns easing restrictions may not be possible on April 5 if case numbers don’t keep falling, with no decision made on whether lifting 5km limit could mean allowing people cross county lines to see family and friends.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1370431835642155020

TonyMaloney

fin12 wrote: »

Idle speculation from u, if it was something been seriously considered it would be all over the media, more misery they love nothing better.... u clearly want one , why else bring it up?

Look I clearly labeled it speculation from the start, explained why I brought it up, and also said I'd hate to see one implemented.

If you've some further insight into my psychology then please share it, otherwise just stop

Stheno

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Portugal

They're about to start coming out of it because it's worked very well. But jayzus that was a tough few months for them.

They put that in place in February Tony and are easing March 16th

Plus its not a national weekend curfew from 1pm -5am as you posted, thats confined to very high case areas

Not quite comparing apples with apples there tbh

RobitTV

Captain_Crash

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Portugal

They're about to start coming out of it because it's worked very well. But jayzus that was a tough few months for them.

I’ll give you that! They have it as harsh as us! I’ll just note tho, the curfew is for business closure and not John and Mary going for a walk at 8:30pm....so it’s not a curfew in the sense that people aren’t allowed out

gozunda

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

So no 5k rule then? And you dodged my access to worship question.Anyway,Good for your neighbor.Hope he’s not making too much noise.
I mean that the fact that circa 17k homes are on pause.And many other commercial projects.
And our construction workforce is the only in Europe on social welfare.Stuff the Germans wouldn’t even think about doing.But I’m sure your neighbor and his trips to woodies are keeping the industry goin.

So weren’t on about people building their own house then? Ok.

Again I have to ask- what has any of that your previous with the claim that?

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Did Germany's significant easing on 1st March lead the news?...

And afaik you didn't ask a question about "access to worship" afaik you stated that

"they continue to allow attendance at religious service"

Btw I didn't disagree with that but added.

A full lockdown was imposed prior to Christmas due to Covid surge and whilst religious services were permitted - there were strict provisions regarding minimum distancing rules and mask wearing with no singing allowed.

That's about it...

Oh and Germany's construction sector is indeed open atm but seems to have had its own issues

https://www.dw.com/en/covid-worsens-germanys-housing-shortage/a-56618601

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-economy-construction-idUSKBN27X10S

Not sure about other countries but I do know that Slovenia has yet to ease COVID-19 restrictions on construction industry

Oh yeah this look kinda familiar? :pac:

https://industryeurope.com/sectors/politics-economics/german-business-desperate-angry-with-governments-lockdown/

RobitTV

Newstalk: Ireland facing construction skills shortage as workers flee COVID closure

Irish builders are leaving the country to find work as the uncertainty over reopening construction continues.

Hundreds of workers have moved to England and continental Europe in recent months, fuelling concerns the country will face a skills shortage when the industry reopens.

At least six British firms are actively recruiting in Ireland for people to go and work in the UK.

The offers can include free flights and accommodation – and some workers can double their wages by taking the plunge.

Newstalk

FintanMcluskey

RobitTV wrote: »

Newstalk: Ireland facing construction skills shortage as workers flee COVID closure

Irish builders are leaving the country to find work as the uncertainty over reopening construction continues.

Hundreds of workers have moved to England and continental Europe in recent months, fuelling concerns the country will face a skills shortage when the industry reopens.

At least six British firms are actively recruiting in Ireland for people to go and work in the UK.

The offers can include free flights and accommodation – and some workers can double their wages by taking the plunge.

Newstalk

Heard that earlier

I imagine any entrepreneurs will leave also

Why take the risk opening a business in Ireland when it will be closed next Winter if Leo is to be believed

TonyMaloney

Stheno wrote: »

They put that in place in February Tony and are easing March 16th

Plus its not a national weekend curfew from 1pm -5am as you posted, thats confined to very high case areas

Not quite comparing apples with apples there tbh

I didn't realise it was only high case areas. Apologies.

Although looking into it further, it applies to the vast majority of Portugal including lisbon and porto.
It's practically nationwide
https://covid19estamoson.gov.pt/lista-de-concelhos-nivel-de-risco/

Anyway, Slovakia also have heavy restrictions and a strict curfew.

bloopy

RobitTV wrote: »

Irish Times: Taoiseach warns on easing of restrictions as case numbers remain stubbornly high

Taoiseach Micheál Martin has expressed concern about stubbornly high Covid-19 case numbers and said “the journey” between now and April 5th would determine the extent to which restrictions can be eased next month.

Echoing concerns expressed by the National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet), which reported 10 deaths and 646 cases on Friday, Mr Martin called on the public to protect the progress made to date.

Irish Times

Judging by the pronouncements and vague threats/warnings being made every few hours today, it is looking like the government and NPHET have lost or are losing the people. And they know it.

RobitTV

ESRI: risky interactions by 'hundreds of thousands' of people 'likely' to be causing plateau in Covid-19 figures

THE ESRI has warned that risky social interactions by “hundreds of thousands of individuals” is likely to be contributing to the current plateau in the number of Covid-19 cases being reported in Ireland.

A fortnightly opinion poll conducted by the institute for the Department of An Taoiseach has found that the level of household visits increased by around a third from late January to the end of February.

Journal.ie

gozunda

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Have NPHET made the UK aware of this dangerous UK variant. They don’t seem too concerned about it over there

Have the UK even got a concern meter?

I dunno. This from mid February.

Almost 90 per cent of Irish cases are now the more contagious B117 variant, popularly known as the UK variant, according to the National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet)...

The increased transmissibility of this variant is apparent in the current profile of the disease in households, with one in three household contacts of a confirmed case testing positive for Covid-19..

https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/nphet-confirms-x-deaths-x-cases-covid-19-1082875.html

Maybe drop a line to the relevant UK authority to tell them if you like or could you can loan them a "concern meter" whatever that is?

Neagra

The UK are really stealing a march on us. They have handled the vaccination roll out very well indeed.

The EU who are dealing for us have made a complete balls of it.
the lowest of the low was threatening to invoke article 16 of the Northern Irish Brexit protocol, something they knew was important to us and had taken five years of careful planning to achieve, it was outrageous and it shows what the EU think of little old Ireland.
The EU in trying to threaten AstraZeneca, overplayed their hand and instead caused a political row which allowed AstraZeneca to skate on by untouched.
How the EU are handing this is a joke and has left Ireland and the rest of Europe severely exposed.

Europe and Ireland have borrowed billions to fund the last 12 months of lockdowns - what difference would even more billions borrowed make.
The EU should just get the cheque book out and pay the piper, forget about stupid bans on exports and arguing with the UK.
go to all the suppliers and make them an offer they cant refuse, money talks. now is not the time for the EU to go all frugal on us.

Corby Trouser Press

gozunda wrote: »

So weren’t on about people building their own house then? Ok.

Again I have to ask- what has any of that your previous with the claim that?



And afaik you didn't ask a question about "access to worship" afaik you stated that



Btw I didn't disagree with that but added.



That's about it...

Oh and Germany's construction sector is indeed open atm but seems to have had its own issues

https://www.dw.com/en/covid-worsens-germanys-housing-shortage/a-56618601

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-economy-construction-idUSKBN27X10S

Not sure about other countries but I do know that Slovenia has yet to ease COVID-19 restrictions on construction industry

Oh yeah this look kinda familiar? :pac:

https://industryeurope.com/sectors/politics-economics/german-business-desperate-angry-with-governments-lockdown/

Non social housing and commercial development that is “non-essential” has been paused in Ireland for 9 weeks, with another 3 to go.

Sorry and all for that German couple looking to rent for €800 a month for a 2 bed in Berlin.

But i’m currently paying more then that for a 1 bed in a commuter town aswell as an almost fully drawndown mortgage as I wait for a mostly safe industry to be allowed to resume so my house can be completed.

Church services are closed to the public in Ireland and Slovenia and Slovakia only.
Indefinitely in Ireland it seems.

The other article you linked highlights the hospitality sector being rightly pissed off as they are across Europe.

I made no reference to hospitality restrictions.

It’s a bad scene for every country in that industry.

gozunda

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Non social housing and commercial development that is “non-essential” has been paused in Ireland for 9 weeks, with another 3 to go.

...

It’s a bad scene for every country in that industry.

I believe you were talking about Germany?

From the recent links above

COVID worsens Germany's housing shortage

BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany’s construction sector expects nominal sales to fall for the first time in more than a decade next year as companies in Europe’s largest economy are scaling back building activity due to the COVID-19 pandemic, the ZDB association said on Tuesday.

German Business "Desperate & Angry" With Government's Lockdown Approach

Business groups in Germany have ramped up attacks on the federal government over its refusal to loosen coronavirus restrictions, as calls for an exit strategy to one of Europe's longest lockdowns grow louder. 

The last one could be a quote from this thread :pac:

But you're correct It is a bad scene for every country in that industry.

Frozen Veg

Massive traveller wedding today in Salthill.

And a funeral yesterday in Leitrim.

Makes everyone else's effort a waste of time.

FintanMcluskey

Frozen Veg wrote: »

Massive traveller wedding today in Salthill.

And a funeral yesterday in Leitrim.

Makes everyone else's effort a waste of time.

Did Simon Harris jump out of bed in his underpants and make his displeasure known on national radio about these incidents?

RobitTV

https://twitter.com/tourismcheckIrl/status/1370459863063609348

FintanMcluskey

gozunda wrote: »

I dunno. This from mid February.



https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/nphet-confirms-x-deaths-x-cases-covid-19-1082875.html

Maybe drop a line to the relevant UK authority to tell them if you like or could you can loan them a "concern meter" whatever that is?

My bad, its a worry meter we have.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1123/1180002-nphet-briefing/

The Chief Medical Officer said new research shows that people are feeling less worried about Covid-19 and warned this may cause them to drop their guard

newuser99999

RobitTV wrote: »

https://twitter.com/tourismcheckIrl/status/1370459863063609348

State of them

acequion

newuser99999 wrote: »

State of them

FFS :eek:

Real Donald Trump

If only more people had the **** u attitude that the travellers have there would be no restrictions in place :pac:

hamburgham

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Heard that earlier

I imagine any entrepreneurs will leave also

Why take the risk opening a business in Ireland when it will be closed next Winter if Leo is to be believed

Why anyone in the private sector continues here is beyond me. World class aviation industry destroyed. Thousands of small businesses all over the country destroyed. These are the people with the intelligence, initiative and energy who the country needs and they’ve been completely fxxxed on.

gozunda

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

My bad, its a worry meter we have.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1123/1180002-nphet-briefing/

Is it? That's a rather old article.

Looks like the UK is ahead of us anyway.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-variant-britain-idUSKBN2B213E

hamburgham

normanoffside wrote: »

There is definitely a changing tide now. #Endthelockdown is trending on twitter and being vocalised by people who were previously in favour of most restrictions.

This is the most vocal I have seen McNamara

https://twitter.com/MlMcNamaraTD/status/1370352381083455492

I especially like this pint (which I pointed to yesterday)

https://twitter.com/MlMcNamaraTD/status/1370353671586918401

https://twitter.com/MlMcNamaraTD/status/1370354661832724484

I’m not on Twitter but any chance someone could start #MichaelMcNamara for Taoiseach ?

JRant

AlekSmart wrote: »

That's really a significant issue right there.

Just as the UK Government successfully evaded the dreary possibility of Parliamentary Oversight by prorogueing Parliament itself,thereby allowing use of a far more "friendly" legislative base,so too will Gov.ie be searching around for similar methods to ensure the "Temporary" nature of the Sec 31A 1947 Health Acts provisions can be modified to provide for their extension into the future,free from the same tampering which a Democratic Parliamentary process would allow.

It's ok for the majority of Citizens to let go of Covid,in fact it's highly desirable that they do,because if we continue to allow the unelected "advisors" to dominate this landscape,we are largely doomed as a free democratic society.

All mutterings from MM indicate he is going to do exactly what they tell him, when they tell him. I actually think he's forgotten that there are other areas of the country under his remit. When he repeatedly tells us he will completely follow all public health advice that should be a cause for concern. Especially when the science isn't settled on how to prevent COVID spread. He talks like it's been handed down to him on stone tablets form a great god above.