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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • #3362
    greysides
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    straight wrote: »
    Make sure it's getting enough water. Could be algae or stuff clogging it up.

    The answers here sound like the causes of Jaundice - prehepatic, hepatic and post hepatic. :)

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • #3363
    Mooooo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,570 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Anyone use the moo monitor type yokes on heifers?


  • #3364
    straight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭straight


    Cows in today, sure that's grand by me. Thunder and hail stones here. Wind would cut you in half. Cows were out by day for about 6 hours and on 5kg nuts. They were doing 27.8 litres @ 3.4 pr, 4.67 fat. Lactose 4.76. Weather looking better next week.


  • #3365
    Castlekeeper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Cows back in full time here yesterday too, but it looks like they might be out again in a few days though. Time to open the good bales.

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • #3366
    Castlekeeper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Mooooo wrote: »
    Anyone use the moo monitor type yokes on heifers?

    Is it the calving sensor or the bulling one?
    Calving one is a gift here but you need a vasectomi(s?)ed bull for the heat detection system.

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



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  • #3367
    jd_12345
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭jd_12345


    Mooooo wrote: »
    Anyone use the moo monitor type yokes on heifers?

    I assume you mean heat detection collars. If so yes. We carry the heifers on the MP with the cows. Have the Sensehub system and very happy with it. Great job for timing sexed semen usage!


  • #3368
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,700 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    jd_12345 wrote: »
    I assume you mean heat detection collars. If so yes. We carry the heifers on the MP with the cows. Have the Sensehub system and very happy with it. Great job for timing sexed semen usage!

    Are you using sexed on cows? What sort of conception rate?


  • #3369
    Mooooo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,570 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Yeah the collars type, not the one with the vasectomised bull. Heifers wouldn't be with the cows they'd be on their own. Have used vasectomised bulls before and synchronized as well other years just wondering would these systems be accurate at picking up heats if stock arent coming into a parlour/ yard etc. Wouldnt mind heifers coming in at a more natural pace than the synchronizing


  • #3370
    jd_12345
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭jd_12345


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    Are you using sexed on cows? What sort of conception rate?

    Circ 50-60% but then again they're the cows that would 80% of the time hold iykwim. Exceptional 3wk non return rate, and then the circ 50-60% 6wk non return rate. More 6wk repeats basically


  • #3371
    Mooooo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,570 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    jd_12345 wrote: »
    Circ 50-60% but then again they're the cows that would 80% of the time hold iykwim. Exceptional 3wk non return rate, and then the circ 50-60% 6wk non return rate. More 6wk repeats basically

    Do you start earlier to counter that then?


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  • #3372
    jd_12345
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭jd_12345


    Mooooo wrote: »
    Do you start earlier to counter that then?

    Yep. Didn't serve with anything other than sexed though for that week...


  • #3373
    orm0nd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,385 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    some quality heifers at nenagh show/sale to day especially from the c****v**** herd.


  • #3374
    stanflt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,954 ✭✭✭stanflt


    orm0nd wrote: »
    some quality heifers at nenagh show/sale to day especially from the c****v**** herd.


    What kind of money were cows making


  • #3375
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,976 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    orm0nd wrote: »
    some quality heifers at nenagh show/sale to day especially from the c****v**** herd.

    Saucy prices alright ,looked great stock


  • #3376
    Mooooo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,570 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Any of ye have bulls tested? Ye holding ones they don't want? Have two results back 267 and 229, I spose not much point in holding them. The lower ebi calf would be off a better confirmation cow, higher ebi calf off a cow with better solids but they'd both be over the 500kgs


  • #3377
    alps
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭alps


    Mooooo wrote: »
    Any of ye have bulls tested? Ye holding ones they don't want? Have two results back 267 and 229, I spose not much point in holding them. The lower ebi calf would be off a better confirmation cow, higher ebi calf off a cow with better solids but they'd both be over the 500kgs

    Did they deviate much from the parental average put of interest?


  • #3378
    Mooooo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,570 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    alps wrote: »
    Did they deviate much from the parental average put of interest?

    Lower one came back down 4, higher one came back up 30. Have 3 jex heifers calved one had a bull, parent average 239, have tempted to have him tested he'd be 3/4 fr 1/4 je


  • #3379
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Cubicle mats and sawdust working a treat here so far, saves some labour when cleaning out to...


  • #3380
    Siamsa Sessions
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,709 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Cubicle mats and sawdust working a treat here so far, saves some labour when cleaning out to...

    They look fairly happy on it too. Do you have to sweep it out and put in fresh saw dust every week?


  • #3381
    Base price
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,819 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Cubicle mats and sawdust working a treat here so far, saves some labour when cleaning out to...
    I was buying calves from a dairy farmer a couple of years ago and remarked on their bedding was as I thought it was saw dust mixed with shavings. He lived near a feed mill and used to collect all the screening's for free during the harvest and store them in a shed to use under the calves.


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  • #3382
    Say my name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,765 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Base price wrote: »
    I was buying calves from a dairy farmer a couple of years ago and remarked on their bedding was as I thought it was saw dust mixed with shavings. He lived near a feed mill and used to collect all the screening's for free during the harvest and store them in a shed to use under the calves.

    Was that farm in Kilkenny?


  • #3383
    straight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭straight


    Mooooo wrote: »
    Any of ye have bulls tested? Ye holding ones they don't want? Have two results back 267 and 229, I spose not much point in holding them. The lower ebi calf would be off a better confirmation cow, higher ebi calf off a cow with better solids but they'd both be over the 500kgs

    I kept 2 fr bulls a few years ago, registered them and sold them for 1k a piece at 14 months. Didn't bother since as I don't really like the dealing with some people. Guys ringing u up in a panic that they need a bull because there own is injured and he had another fella before that but he got injured too. Where would u be going with a lad like that. I'm waiting on results this year and he's a nice calf so I might keep him. Would I be able to use him to mop up the heifers after AI or would there be a fear of inbreeding? I remember my father doing it before and he had no problems.


  • #3384
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,323 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Mooooo wrote: »
    Any of ye have bulls tested? Ye holding ones they don't want? Have two results back 267 and 229, I spose not much point in holding them. The lower ebi calf would be off a better confirmation cow, higher ebi calf off a cow with better solids but they'd both be over the 500kgs

    I'm keeping 1 of them. Others were tb tested during the week and will let them go in a month or 2 to dealer when glut is gone and price is a bit better


  • #3385
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,323 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    straight wrote: »
    I kept 2 fr bulls a few years ago, registered them and sold them for 1k a piece at 14 months. Didn't bother since as I don't really like the dealing with some people. Guys ringing u up in a panic that they need a bull because there own is injured and he had another fella before that but he got injured too. Where would u be going with a lad like that. I'm waiting on results this year and he's a nice calf so I might keep him. Would I be able to use him to mop up the heifers after AI or would there be a fear of inbreeding? I remember my father doing it before and he had no problems.

    Do the sire inbreeding thing on icbf


  • #3386
    straight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭straight


    My picks for the upcoming season. Trying to do a bit more daughter proven. Fr4728, Fr4513, Fr4545, Fr2236, ZSR, Fr4187-s, Fr5971-s.


  • #3387
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Siamsa Sessions wrote: »
    They look fairly happy on it too. Do you have to sweep it out and put in fresh saw dust every week?

    Yeah every week, put a fresh dusting in every evening, it's got lime mixed into it aswell so will be interesting to see does it help with keeping disease pressure in the pens down later in the spring


  • #3388
    green daries
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭green daries


    straight wrote: »
    My picks for the upcoming season. Trying to do a bit more daughter proven. Fr4728, Fr4513, Fr4545, Fr2236, ZSR, Fr4187-s, Fr5971-s.

    Just wondering why wouldn't you just go with all daughter proven bulls for the same money or less than genomic bulls
    IMO cuts out the need for these teams pick a couple good proven bulls and away you go


  • #3389
    Base price
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,819 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Say my name wrote: »
    Was that farm in Kilkenny?
    No but it was in Leinster. I've never seen such good bedding under calves especially dairy bull calves on any farm including our own. It was a credit to the farmer and his bull calves were in cracking order.


  • #3390
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Why are lads putting jackets on calves, how do they react when let out later without them?


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  • #3391
    straight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭straight


    green daries wrote: »
    Just wondering why wouldn't you just go with all daughter proven bulls for the same money or less than genomic bulls
    IMO cuts out the need for these teams pick a couple good proven bulls and away you go

    Temptation I guess. I don't look at the price of straws. The latest change in EBI seems to have firmed up the figures a bit. 4728 & 4513 were there last year and their figures held up well. Not daughter proven but bit proven at the same time.


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