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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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    #3422
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users Posts: 11,078 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Reggie. wrote: »
    Ah you know these dairy farmers base.....money is no object

    Shur were swimming in it .....


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    #3423
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users Posts: 11,078 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Base price wrote: »
    Shine OAD is a good CMR but it's awfully expensive when you have to exponentially increase the powder rate to 750g per calf.

    Increased feeding rate my choice ,I want my heifers to grow good frame ,when there young it’s the time to push them ,calves on a feeder could be on a kg or more of powder for a time


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    #3424
    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,368 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    straight wrote: »
    Working hard enough for it lad. Pure slavery at times actually.

    Who are ya telling. I'm seeing it everyday


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    #3425
    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,368 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Shur were swimming in it .....

    Sure thats what stanfit keeps telling me


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    #3426
    green daries
    Registered Users Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭green daries


    Reggie. wrote: »
    Sure thats what stanfit keeps telling me

    Good man reggie your up for the craic today.
    Made me smile on a miserable day a good laugh a day is a tonic


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    #3427
    Finty Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    Glanbia have made things interesting.


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    #3428
    Mf310
    Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭Mf310


    Finty Lemon wrote: »
    Glanbia have made things interesting.

    Definitely but in fairness its not the worst proposal either, and only going to be for 2/3 years until Belview gets going fully. We all knew there had to be something coming with the amount of extra milk being produced all at the one time and then little in winter. it should help flatten the supply curve and its not really stopping people expanding they can still calve cows during autumn with no restriction . For what Glanbia could
    have proposed I think this was the best and fairest possible outcome?


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    #3429
    Pinsnbushings
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    Mf310 wrote: »
    Definitely but in fairness its not the worst proposal either, and only going to be for 2/3 years until Belview gets going fully. We all knew there had to be something coming with the amount of extra milk being produced all at the one time and then little in winter. it should help flatten the supply curve and its not really stopping people expanding they can still calve cows during autumn with no restriction . For what Glanbia could
    have proposed I think this was the best and fairest possible outcome?

    I wrote a reply on this in the milk price thread, and as I said there I'll reserve judgment till I hear more, and although I agree something had to be done and it is relatively fair, it is penal enough on small existing suppliers like myself who were limited by land or whatever reason during the reference years. It doesn't prevent expansion, but does.it prevent profitable expansion.? Is the 4 cent bonus over the winter months enough to cover the additional costs.? Would you be confident it will only last 3 years??


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    #3430
    Finty Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    Mf310 wrote: »
    Definitely but in fairness its not the worst proposal either, and only going to be for 2/3 years until Belview gets going fully. We all knew there had to be something coming with the amount of extra milk being produced all at the one time and then little in winter. it should help flatten the supply curve and its not really stopping people expanding they can still calve cows during autumn with no restriction . For what Glanbia could
    have proposed I think this was the best and fairest possible outcome?

    Not sure about this. If extra cows are calved in autumn, would they not still have a lot of milk in early summer and therefore break the limits anyway?
    Lads will have to shift a lot of cows to autumn if they expand any bit I would think.


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    #3431
    jaymla627
    Registered Users Posts: 6,464 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Finty Lemon wrote: »
    Not sure about this. If extra cows are calved in autumn, would they not still have a lot of milk in early summer and therefore break the limits anyway?
    Lads will have to shift a lot of cows to autumn if they expand any bit I would think.

    Late spring/early summer calving would be the only way around it if cow numbers are increased on farm, plus whole milk going to calves instead of milk replacer would help keep supply down for the April-June months, 30% will be the minimum penalty could well be 70% plus, depending on weather our not other co-ops have extra capacity to process glanbias surplus, plus they literally have them by the balls so why would they pay the market rate our even half of it


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    #3432
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Finty Lemon wrote: »
    Not sure about this. If extra cows are calved in autumn, would they not still have a lot of milk in early summer and therefore break the limits anyway?
    Lads will have to shift a lot of cows to autumn if they expand any bit I would think.

    When we were in winter milk the autumn calvers would be close enough to matching the spring calvers in solids in April may and June.
    This is temporary to deal with the delay in building processing capacity? If I was a glanbia supplier I'd be right pissed off. This along with releasing a product to directly compete with Kerrygold will do little for farmers margins at the end of the day


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    #3433
    Siamsa Sessions
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,635 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Interesting article from Graise on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/1161444260573591/posts/3950305108354145/?d=n

    Higher production from cows = less cows needed, combined with multi-species swards to reduce bag-N.

    There’s more to the article than that, but that’s mostly what I’m taking from it

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



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    #3434
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Seem to be very orientated to dry ground and dry conditions, not a problem I have anyway..


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    #3435
    Castlekeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 1,675 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Siamsa Sessions wrote: »
    Interesting article from Graise on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/1161444260573591/posts/3950305108354145/?d=n

    Higher production from cows = less cows needed, combined with multi-species swards to reduce bag-N.

    There’s more to the article than that, but that’s mostly what I’m taking from it

    With those yields on a tonne of meal, I think they should focus on oad milking and play rugby in the afternoons.


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    #3436
    Gillespy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Ton of palm kernel isn't equal to a ton of meal. And that's reflected in the production figures. Rubbish feed and rubbish environmentally as well.


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    #3437
    straight
    Registered Users Posts: 4,546 ✭✭✭straight


    I saw that article. Pretty pathetic performance of 350kg from environment damaging pke. And to think that the kiwis are held up as some kind of superior example to the rest of us. More cows and less milk never made sense to me anyway.


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    #3438
    straight
    Registered Users Posts: 4,546 ✭✭✭straight


    This is how my bulls AI genomic results came back. Ebi = 331.


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    #3439
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    straight wrote: »
    This is how my bulls AI genomic results came back. Ebi = 331.

    Did they not buy him? Good figures there. Waiting on two more here


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    #3440
    jd_12345
    Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭jd_12345


    What are lads paying to service a 12 unit parlour with ACRs, Milk yield indicators and no dumpline? Got a whopper of a bill from serviceman in the last few days.
    €3000 bill- gave no breakdown but I reckon about €1000 of that was a call out to a scraper and replacing one of the indicators due to getting wet. So roughly 2k to service parlour


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    #3441
    straight
    Registered Users Posts: 4,546 ✭✭✭straight


    Mooooo wrote: »
    Did they not buy him? Good figures there. Waiting on two more here

    Just got the results today so with them figures I'd expect an offer. We'll see what happens.


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    #3442
    Wildsurfer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭Wildsurfer


    jd_12345 wrote: »
    What are lads paying to service a 12 unit parlour with ACRs, Milk yield indicators and no dumpline? Got a whopper of a bill from serviceman in the last few days.
    €3000 bill- gave no breakdown but I reckon about €1000 of that was a call out to a scraper and replacing one of the indicators due to getting wet. So roughly 2k to service parlour

    You are allowed ask for a breakdown you know! Did it include new set of liners, tubing etc?


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    #3443
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,830 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    straight wrote: »
    Just got the results today so with them figures I'd expect an offer. We'll see what happens.

    Whats his milk kgs?
    We had a guy come back at 358 last year, no one bought him
    He was -100 kgs milk but had serious solids
    .39 for Fat
    .20 for Protein

    No JE in him


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    #3444
    whelan2
    Registered Users Posts: 29,107 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    jd_12345 wrote: »
    What are lads paying to service a 12 unit parlour with ACRs, Milk yield indicators and no dumpline? Got a whopper of a bill from serviceman in the last few days.
    €3000 bill- gave no breakdown but I reckon about €1000 of that was a call out to a scraper and replacing one of the indicators due to getting wet. So roughly 2k to service parlour

    Was it over a long period of time. Bill's here are always itemized and if something is going to be expensive he will pre warn me. Had to change milking machine motor and compressor motor within two days last year


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    #3445
    K.G.
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,046 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    straight wrote: »
    Just got the results today so with them figures I'd expect an offer. We'll see what happens.

    How saleable he is also depends on how much related stock is out there,he might have too many cousins


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    #3446
    jd_12345
    Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭jd_12345


    Wildsurfer wrote: »
    You are allowed ask for a breakdown you know! Did it include new set of liners, tubing etc?

    Very fair point! We Hinted at it but didn’t really get much of a response if you know what I mean.
    For a fella that we’re dealing with for 20 years you’d expect a bit more realistic bill. Have a bit of a belief here that it’s never worth fighting with a fella over something like that. Especially the parlour man- it’s not often you’ll need him but when you do you need him on your side.
    Just wondering are we being totally shafted. If we are we’ll try someone else- if that’s what he’s going to charge then that’s fine but we won’t be getting him!


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    #3447
    jd_12345
    Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭jd_12345


    Wildsurfer wrote: »
    You are allowed ask for a breakdown you know! Did it include new set of liners, tubing etc?

    Yes liners tubing and once over. Roughly 5/6 hours


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    #3448
    straight
    Registered Users Posts: 4,546 ✭✭✭straight


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    Whats his milk kgs?
    We had a guy come back at 358 last year, no one bought him
    He was -100 kgs milk but had serious solids
    .39 for Fat
    .20 for Protein

    No JE in him

    +123kg milk.
    +22kg fat
    +17.1kg pr
    .29% fat
    .22% pr.

    Personally I would never pick a bull that gives me less milk. To me the reason the percentages rise is because the volume is less. I don't look at the percentages in the catalogues. Similarly all these guys on about how many cent per litre they get paid but no mention of litres. Kgms is my main thing I want and I like plenty volume to bring the solids. But sure I could have it all wrong. Why don't the co ops just quote the price per kgms and forget about cents/litre.

    I heard that before about the cousins.

    Maybe it's too soon to go looking up tractors on Done deal.


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    #3449
    straight
    Registered Users Posts: 4,546 ✭✭✭straight


    jd_12345 wrote: »
    Yes liners tubing and once over. Roughly 5/6 hours

    You will find that people outside the farm gate charge about 80 euro per hour? Probably call out charges too? Change the rubber ware yourself in future I'd say. All that rubber and parlour parts are expensive. Our main dealer was poison dear so we switched to a different guy who isn'ta main dealer. Much fairer and still a good service.


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    #3450
    jd_12345
    Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭jd_12345


    straight wrote: »
    +123kg milk.
    +22kg fat
    +17.1kg pr
    .29% fat
    .22% pr.

    Personally I would never pick a bull that gives me less milk. To me the reason the percentages rise is because the volume is less. I don't look at the percentages in the catalogues. Similarly all these guys on about how many cent per litre they get paid but no mention of litres. Kgms is my main thing I want and I like plenty volume to bring the solids. But sure I could have it all wrong. Why don't the co ops just quote the price per kgms and forget about cents/litre.

    I heard that before about the cousins.

    Maybe it's too soon to go looking up tractors on Done deal.

    https://www.progressivegenetics.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/G1-2021.pdf

    Last years calves are in that catalogue. Tbh your bull’s figures isn’t that much better than any of them (no offence haha)
    €135 milk si is impressive and it’s a lovely balance but 90% of the high milk sub index young bulls out there are Albert or Pivotal so only the cream of the Sons of those bulls are being picked. You’d want near €400 ebi to be sure of it afaik.
    Best of luck though!


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    #3451
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,830 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    straight wrote: »
    +123kg milk.
    +22kg fat
    +17.1kg pr
    .29% fat
    .22% pr.

    Personally I would never pick a bull that gives me less milk. To me the reason the percentages rise is because the volume is less. I don't look at the percentages in the catalogues. Similarly all these guys on about how many cent per litre they get paid but no mention of litres. Kgms is my main thing I want and I like plenty volume to bring the solids. But sure I could have it all wrong. Why don't the co ops just quote the price per kgms and forget about cents/litre.

    I heard that before about the cousins.

    Maybe it's too soon to go looking up tractors on Done deal.

    Yes you're right, I wouldn't pick a bull with minus milk either

    But I always look at the percentages, like you but in the opposite way I don't want my percentages to drop so I try pick bulls with highest percentages but have a plus in milk kgs or at least 100kgs
    We'd have as good as percentages as the best jex herds but more litres, seems to be working so far
    Get a good milk price with the litres to go with it


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