Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

fin12 · 12-03-2021 09:32PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

They are in their hole.

It's tricky to get a pint almost anywhere in the EU right now

Really try Madrid then or Italy...

Penfailed · 12-03-2021 09:33PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

The "meaningful christmas" schtick came in November.

October was very much about preventing a disaster.

The article was dated the 20th of October.

jusvi2001 · 12-03-2021 09:34PM

Peope are sick of this never ending lock downs. Its been an year since the pandemic and Ireland should be looking around and learn from Australia and NewZeland who were able to control the covid 19 outbreak to a extent where people in those countries are able to enjoy wider freedom than us. Our government is spineless and only say yes to what ever NPHET says. At this stage government should take calculated risk and open up the country. there will be some risk always but we have to accept it..instead of blaming '' Christmas' .

wakka12 · 12-03-2021 09:36PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Sitting on the couch here with the wife on a zoom call with her folks in eastern europe. They cant get their head around whats going on in Ireland at all. They were out shopping for clothes earlier, followed by lunch and a bottle of wine this afternoon in a restaurant (!!) and they will call over to the neighbours tomorrow for a party. All legal. Cases higher than here. No one sh1tting their pants. But then they lived through communism and place value on civil liberties.

Yeh life goes on in most of Eastern Europe. There are restrictions and they vary depending on whether or not there are surges but lockdown is an exceptional reaction only used when the scenario has deteriorated rather than it being the rule as it is in Ireland.

suicide_circus · 12-03-2021 09:40PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Yeh life goes on in most of Eastern Europe. There are restrictions and they vary depending on whether or not there are surges but lockdown is an exceptional reaction only used when the scenario has deteriorated rather than it being the rule as it is in Ireland.

Correct. Currently my inlaws are largely restriction free in their county but they may come back depending on case numbers. This blanket complete lockdown across the whole country for months and months dosnt exist.

Hego Damask · 12-03-2021 09:40PM

Frozen Veg wrote: »

The reality is 0.00007% of our population are in hospital.

Most of the vulnerable have been vaccinated.

Time to start opening up. Get people vaccinated as soon as possible and let people take personal accountability for their actions until then.

If someone wants to avoid the virus, let them be careful. If others want to take their chances so be it, that should be their choice at this stage. There should be freedom of choice from now on.

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Corby Trouser Press · 12-03-2021 09:40PM

gozunda wrote: »

Whats any if that got to do with your previous comment that claimed Germany "had significant easing on 1st March"

I simply showed they didn't. And that restrictions there have been extended to the 28th of March bar hairdressers and beauticians which were only recently reopened.

You do know the 5km thing here is only for exercise yes? That for a whole host of essential reasons you can travel beyond that.

Afaik sub regions of Germany have similar restrictions (to each other) on leaving your house
"People should only leave their home for important reasons – for example, to go shopping, to do sports or to work. All Berliners are also urgently advised to avoid travel"

https://www.berlin.de/corona/en/measures/

As for "Have they stopped allowing people to build homes for themselves?"

You mean DIY? Afaik if you are building your own house - there's no stoppage on that. I have a neighbour building his own house atm. Doing most of the work himself

So no 5k rule then?

And you dodged my access to worship question.

Anyway,
Good for your neighbor.

Hope he’s not making too much noise.

I mean that the fact that circa 17k homes are on pause.

And many other commercial projects.

And our construction workforce is the only in Europe on social welfare.

Stuff the Germans wouldn’t even think about doing.

But I’m sure your neighbor and his trips to woodies are keeping the industry goin.

aziz · 12-03-2021 09:41PM

Well fcuk it, I’ve had enough, haven’t been outside the door since a week before Xmas so having a small family gathering tomorrow night for the mother’s birthday/ Mother’s Day.

Sick of all the people who aren’t bothering with any restrictions and the guards doing f all about travellers funerals and such like.

daydorunrun · 12-03-2021 09:47PM

aziz wrote: »

Well fcuk it, I’ve had enough, haven’t been outside the door since a week before Xmas so having a small family gathering tomorrow night for the mother’s birthday/ Mother’s Day.

Sick of all the people who aren’t bothering with any restrictions and the guards doing f all about travellers funerals and such like.

One extreme to the other- it wasn’t a healthy decision to not go beyond your own from door for months. They use solitary confinement as a punishment in prison for that reason.....it’s punishment.

TonyMaloney · 12-03-2021 09:55PM

copeyhagen wrote: »

lol wut

Ireland, the UK, France, Germany, the netherlands, Denmark, Finland, Czech republic, Slovakia, Portugal, almost all of Italy, Austria, Switzerland.

You can't visit a bar in any of these countries. I'm not sure about the rest, but I think it's similar for all but a couple of outliers.
By all means, prove me wrong.

Some of you have a funny idea of what's going on in the rest of the world

12-03-2021 09:55PM

ypres5 wrote: »

yeah someone quoted a former ff minister who basically said he'd spend so much time going back and forth on things he'd need a consultant to analyze his analysis

This one deserves a quote!!
‘I got so tired of concluding that there’s nothing for us to conclude’ Scritti Politti - Oh Patti

ypres5 · 12-03-2021 10:03PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Ireland, the UK, France, Germany, the netherlands, Denmark, Finland, Czech republic, Slovakia, Portugal, almost all of Italy, Austria, Switzerland.

You can't visit a bar in any of these countries. I'm not sure about the rest, but I think it's similar for all but a couple of outliers.
By all means, prove me wrong.

Some of you have a funny idea of what's going on in the rest of the world

is there anywhere else with a 5k limit or non essential construction?

TonyMaloney · 12-03-2021 10:08PM

ypres5 wrote: »

is there anywhere else with a 5k limit or non essential construction?

I don't know. Probably.

There are a number of countries with strict curfews. For me, that is a whole other level of restriction that we've thankfully never experienced.

Although now that I've mentioned it, I worry that a curfew could be considered if things worsen, in order to give schools a chance. That is of course just speculation on my part and there's been no mention of it as far as I am aware.

12-03-2021 10:12PM

ypres5 wrote: »

is there anywhere else with a 5k limit or non essential construction?

Here’s a map guide to restrictions, ( well it’s more of a stringency index) published on 3 March, we’re right Up there.

https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-lockdowns/

fin12 · 12-03-2021 10:14PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

I don't know. Probably.

There are a number of countries with strict curfews. For me, that is a whole other level of restriction that we've thankfully never experienced.

Although now that I've mentioned it, I worry that a curfew could be considered if things worsen, in order to give schools a chance. That is of course just speculation on my part and there's been no mention of it as far as I am aware.

Sorry how would a curfew affect us here? Bring in a curfew it wouldn’t make a bit of difference? We can’t go anywhere or do anything... I’ll gladly have a curfew if I could go and sit down and have a meal / drinks during opening hours.

JeffKenna · 12-03-2021 10:15PM

fin12 wrote: »

Sorry how would a curfew affect us here? Bring in a curfew it wouldn’t make a bit of difference? We can’t go anywhere or do anything... I’ll gladly have a curfew if I could go and sit down and have a meal / drinks during opening hours.

The virus only spreads at night.

JRant · 12-03-2021 10:15PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What does critical mass mean though?

For me it would be over 70's, for the numpties running this place it's probably 80% of population that can receive a vaccine.

Wolf359f · 12-03-2021 10:19PM

gansi wrote: »

Here’s a map guide to restrictions, ( well it’s more of a stringency index) published on 3 March, we’re right Up there.

https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-lockdowns/

I wouldn't be looking at that site for how stringent a lockdown is compared to other sites.
It's a bit like worldometers and their projection section
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aier.org/article/oxfords-stringency-index-is-falling-apart/%3famp

Captain_Crash · 12-03-2021 10:22PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

There are a number of countries with strict curfews. For me, that is a whole other level of restriction that we've thankfully never experienced.

Yeah a curfew, because things are effing open during the day! It’s a whole other level I’d love to experience, because it’s a level below what we have to put up with to date!!!

TonyMaloney · 12-03-2021 10:24PM

fin12 wrote: »

Sorry how would a curfew affect us here? Bring in a curfew it wouldn’t make a bit of difference? We can’t go anywhere or do anything... I’ll gladly have a curfew if I could go and sit down and have a meal / drinks during opening hours.

Look I was only speculating and thinking out loud. It occurred to me because it's simply something we could actually do from this point.

I'm not sure if it would have a worthwhile impact. I guess if you made it early enough you might cut out a fair bit of socializing in the cohort with by far the highest incidence - young adults

12-03-2021 10:27PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I wouldn't be looking at that site for how stringent a lockdown is compared to other sites.
It's a bit like worldometers and their projection section
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aier.org/article/oxfords-stringency-index-is-falling-apart/%3famp

Well it’s one source maybe other index sites can be added to try to compare. With traveling limited for now first hand experiences are thin on the ground for sure.

niallo27 · 12-03-2021 10:30PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Look I was only speculating and thinking out loud. It occurred to me because it's simply something we could actually do from this point.

I'm not sure if it would have a worthwhile impact. I guess if you made it early enough you might cut out a fair bit of socializing in the cohort with by far the highest incidence - young adults

Aboy the Tony, you must be making money out of the lockdown, your must be one of the few on here wanting harsher lockdowns. You on the 350 or go soom zoom scam going.

AlekSmart · 12-03-2021 10:31PM

JRant wrote: »

If we had a high vaccinated level I love to know what kind of wally's would be going to get a test done? I'll be in the last cohort to even get a sniff of a vaccine so when that time comes it should be completely over for restrictions at that stage.

Let's not forget, they need to keep renewing all these incredible powers for the Garda under the Health Act. Once we get to those levels of vaccinations then that excuse goes with them and the government would be on extremely shaky ground constitutionally. Whether NPHET and Co. like it or not their time is coming to an end and we will have our constitutional rights back again.

That's really a significant issue right there.

Just as the UK Government successfully evaded the dreary possibility of Parliamentary Oversight by prorogueing Parliament itself,thereby allowing use of a far more "friendly" legislative base,so too will Gov.ie be searching around for similar methods to ensure the "Temporary" nature of the Sec 31A 1947 Health Acts provisions can be modified to provide for their extension into the future,free from the same tampering which a Democratic Parliamentary process would allow.

It's ok for the majority of Citizens to let go of Covid,in fact it's highly desirable that they do,because if we continue to allow the unelected "advisors" to dominate this landscape,we are largely doomed as a free democratic society.

TonyMaloney · 12-03-2021 10:32PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Yeah a curfew, because things are effing open during the day! It’s a whole other level I’d love to experience, because it’s a level below what we have to put up with to date!!!

No. Absolutely not what I'm talking about at all.

There are numerous countries with tough daily restrictions and a curfew in top of it.
Portugal for instance have had a weekend curfew between 1pm and 5am, Saturday and Sunday.

Can you imagine the wails of despair if NPHET suggested that?

TonyMaloney · 12-03-2021 10:35PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Aboy the Tony, you must be making money out of the lockdown, your must be one of the few on here wanting harsher lockdowns. You on the 350 or go soom zoom scam going.

I own shares in justeat. I'm rolling in it now.

I don't want a curfew. I'd hate it. I'd sneak out in the dead of night just to **** with their mobility data.

fin12 · 12-03-2021 10:35PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Look I was only speculating and thinking out loud. It occurred to me because it's simply something we could actually do from this point.

I'm not sure if it would have a worthwhile impact. I guess if you made it early enough you might cut out a fair bit of socializing in the cohort with by far the highest incidence - young adults

Bring in a curfew when everything is shut, ya makes a load of sense. Are the restrictions not harsh enough for u already. U know u can always impose a curfew on ur self.

ypres5 · 12-03-2021 10:35PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

No. Absolutely not what I'm talking about at all.

There are numerous countries with tough daily restrictions and a curfew in top of it.
Portugal for instance have had a weekend curfew between 1pm and 5am, Saturday and Sunday.

Can you imagine the wails of despair if NPHET suggested that?

what do they have to curfew us from in the first place

Captain_Crash · 12-03-2021 10:38PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

No. Absolutely not what I'm talking about at all.

There are numerous countries with tough daily restrictions and a curfew in top of it.
Portugal for instance have had a weekend curfew between 1pm and 5am, Saturday and Sunday.

Can you imagine the wails of despair if NPHET suggested that?

Well if you can name a country with the equivalent of our level 5+ or whatever it is we have now, plus a curfew I’d be amazed

Corby Trouser Press · 12-03-2021 10:38PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

I don't know. Probably.

There are a number of countries with strict curfews. For me, that is a whole other level of restriction that we've thankfully never experienced.

Although now that I've mentioned it, I worry that a curfew could be considered if things worsen, in order to give schools a chance. That is of course just speculation on my part and there's been no mention of it as far as I am aware.

I don’t know, probably?

And you were steaming in with a list of places where you couldn’t get a pint a few mins ago

TonyMaloney · 12-03-2021 10:38PM

ypres5 wrote: »

what do they have to curfew us from in the first place

Each other.

Look, as I said it's just idle speculation on my part and not something I'd ever want to see.
It's not on the cards, so relax

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