Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

Boggles · 12-03-2021 08:55PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

And they need to stop blaming it on vaccine supply issues - offer double or triple the market price with a guaranteed delivery date and get the vaccines somewhere.

Yeah, lets start a bidding war on a finite product.

That's a super idea.

I mean we could just say listen we want 10 million at three times the price.

The likes of Germany definitely won't go we want 160 million at three times the price, and even if they did the vaccines companies would definitely choose us because we are sound, never mind Germany offering to buy 16 times more of their product.

Monster249 · 12-03-2021 08:56PM

gozunda wrote: »

Whats any if that got to do with your previous comment that claimed Germany "had significant easing on 1st March"

I simply showed they didn't. And that restrictions there have been extended to the 28th of March bar hairdressers and beauticians which were only recently reopened.

You do know the 5km thing here is only for exercise yes? That for a whole host of essential reasons you can travel beyond that.

Afaik sub regions of Germany have similar restrictions on leaving your house
"People should only leave their home for important reasons – for example, to go shopping, to do sports or to work. All Berliners are also urgently advised to avoid travel"

https://www.berlin.de/corona/en/measures/

As for "Have they stopped allowing people to build homes for themselves?"

You mean DIY? Afaik if you are building your own house - there's no stoppage on that. I have a neighbour building his own house atm. Doing most of the work himself

You're clutching at straws in trying to compare Germany's restrictions to ours.

Many key differences in theirs that show nuanced thinking (only extending them by 4 weeks vs us extending anything that matters by 10 weeks, actually allowing hairdressers to stay open because they recognize no risk, no arbitrary km radius or else fines, etc.)

You can tell they've sat around a table and brought some logic into the discussion instead of what we've done.

rolling boh · 12-03-2021 08:58PM

Unfortunately opening things will only come about when nphet give the green light to our useless government. We have no plans to live alongside covid even when numbers are small .There are a lot of people not hurt in the pocket so the chances of any real general disobedience over the measures are slim to none .

SnuggyBear · 12-03-2021 09:00PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

You weren't right about no vaccines at all or for at least 10 years were you?

Just slightly off on that one, nevermind

Hellrazer · 12-03-2021 09:02PM

Boggles wrote: »

Yeah, lets start a bidding war on a finite product.

That's a super idea.

I mean we could just say listen we want 10 million at three times the price.

The likes of Germany definitely won't go we want a 160 million at three times the price, and even if they did the vaccines companies would definitely choose us because we are sound, never mind Germany offering to buy 16 times more of their product.

I know the way it works and I agree with you 100% but someone in government has to be a bit pro-active about it.

Donnelly cant answer a straight question and should be sacked and let someone with a pair take over.

Every interview he does it sounds like hes doing a great job - Ive worked with people like him in the past - talks the talk but really hasn't a clue what hes doing and is in way too deep now to admit to being unable to do the job.

He should be representing Ireland in trying to procure more vaccines for us - no matter what. As should Micheal Martin.

Instead they are just sitting there letting this play out while the economy is destroyed by their incompetence.

FintanMcluskey · 12-03-2021 09:05PM

gozunda wrote: »

Or maybe just maybe the transmissibility of the UK variant (responsible for most new cases here this year) and which has already been highlighted in making infection control more difficult than the experience of our revious restrictions and the resulting lessening of cases in 2020

Have NPHET made the UK aware of this dangerous UK variant

They don’t seem too concerned about it over there

Have the UK even got a concern meter?

fin12 · 12-03-2021 09:09PM

Does anyone else think that lockdowns are never going to go away in this country? I feel they are going constantly put us into them for years to come, they way they have kept this 5k rule and us having the longest lockdown in the world is just completely f*cked up. It’s like they cannot see beyond lockdowns. I honestly don’t know will we ever return in this country to how we lived in 2019.

copeyhagen · 12-03-2021 09:15PM

meanwhile my folks are out for dinner and drinks in benalmadena..... fml

gozunda · 12-03-2021 09:16PM

Monster249 wrote: »

You're clutching at straws in trying to compare Germany's restrictions to ours.

Many key differences in theirs that show nuanced thinking (only extending them by 4 weeks vs us extending anything that matters by 10 weeks, actually allowing hairdressers to stay open because they recognize no risk, no arbitrary km radius or else fines, etc.)

You can tell they've sat around a table and brought some logic into the discussion instead of what we've done.

The only straw clutching going on there is your own comment.

And nope there's no "trying to compare Germany's restrictions to ours.". Do at least read the previous comments

Other poster asked did they have a 5 km restriction. And I gave an example of what they do have.

And they've only recently reopened hairdressers btw.

Frozen Veg · 12-03-2021 09:16PM

fin12 wrote: »

Does anyone else think that lockdowns are never going to go away in this country? I feel they are going constantly put us into them for years to come, they way they have kept this 5k rule and us having the longest lockdown in the world is just completely f*cked up. It’s like they cannot see beyond lockdowns. I honestly don’t know will we ever return in this country to how we lived in 2019.

Yet only 3 months ago, they opened up pubs and restaurants two weeks before Christmas.

Arseways politics.

fin12 · 12-03-2021 09:20PM

Frozen Veg wrote: »

Yet only 3 months ago, they opened up pubs and restaurants two weeks before Christmas.

Arseways politics.

And what’s that got to do with my post? Pubs n restaurants are open all over the world right now.

JRant · 12-03-2021 09:20PM

fin12 wrote: »

Does anyone else think that lockdowns are never going to go away in this country? I feel they are going constantly put us into them for years to come, they way they have kept this 5k rule and us having the longest lockdown in the world is just completely f*cked up. It’s like they cannot see beyond lockdowns. I honestly don’t know will we ever return in this country to how we lived in 2019.

No, at some stage the powers to greatly restrict people's lives will be lifted as they will no longer be legally allowable. They can't just decide to indefinitely suspend constitutional rights. Once we hit that critical mass of vaccinated then it's over.

ypres5 · 12-03-2021 09:22PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

I know the way it works and I agree with you 100% but someone in government has to be a bit pro-active about it.

Donnelly cant answer a straight question and should be sacked and let someone with a pair take over.

Every interview he does it sounds like hes doing a great job - Ive worked with people like him in the past - talks the talk but really hasn't a clue what hes doing and is in way too deep now to admit to being unable to do the job.

He should be representing Ireland in trying to procure more vaccines for us - no matter what. As should Micheal Martin.

Instead they are just sitting there letting this play out while the economy is destroyed by their incompetence.

they're so afraid of making the wrong decision they'd rather do nothing

FintanMcluskey · 12-03-2021 09:22PM

JRant wrote: »

Once we hit that critical mass of vaccinated then it's over.

What does critical mass mean though?

TonyMaloney · 12-03-2021 09:22PM

fin12 wrote: »

And what’s that got to do with my post? Pubs n restaurants are open all over the world right now.

They are in their hole.

It's tricky to get a pint almost anywhere in the EU right now

suicide_circus · 12-03-2021 09:24PM

Sitting on the couch here with the wife on a zoom call with her folks in eastern europe. They cant get their head around whats going on in Ireland at all. They were out shopping for clothes earlier, followed by lunch and a bottle of wine this afternoon in a restaurant (!!) and they will call over to the neighbours tomorrow for a party. All legal. Cases higher than here. No one sh1tting their pants. But then they lived through communism and place value on civil liberties.

celt262 · 12-03-2021 09:24PM

ypres5 wrote: »

they're so afraid of making the wrong decision they'd rather do nothing

Did someone say thats a known trait of Martin, in that he would rather do nothing than be seen to make a mistake.

FintanMcluskey · 12-03-2021 09:24PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

They are in their hole.

It's tricky to get a pint almost anywhere in the EU right now

Can you show what countries you can’t get a pint in?

Remembering that you claim it can’t be got anywhere

Russman · 12-03-2021 09:25PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Have the UK even got a concern meter?

With 130k dead maybe they should have.

TonyMaloney · 12-03-2021 09:25PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Sitting on the couch here with the wife on a zoom call with her folks in eastern europe. They cant get their head around whats going on in Ireland at all. They were out shopping for clothes earlier, followed by lunch and a bottle of wine this afternoon in a restaurant (!!) and they will call over to the neighbours tomorrow for a party. All legal. Cases higher than here. No one sh1tting their pants.

What country?

copeyhagen · 12-03-2021 09:25PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

They are in their hole.

It's tricky to get a pint almost anywhere in the EU right now

lol wut

Monster249 · 12-03-2021 09:25PM

ypres5 wrote: »

they're so afraid of making the wrong decision they'd rather do nothing

and get paid high six figure salaries for doing so.

ypres5 · 12-03-2021 09:26PM

celt262 wrote: »

Did someone say thats a known trait of Martin, in that he would rather do nothing than be seen to make a mistake.

yeah someone quoted a former ff minister who basically said he'd spend so much time going back and forth on things he'd need a consultant to analyze his analysis

FintanMcluskey · 12-03-2021 09:26PM

Russman wrote: »

With 130k dead maybe they should have.

Massive death toll.

Hopefully with the vaccine nobody will pass on in the Uk next year

gozunda · 12-03-2021 09:28PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

What country?

I was thinking that. Was reading this only today

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-three-quarters-of-european-countries-see-coronavirus-cases-rise-12241884

Parts of Estonia ran out of hospital beds this week, the Czech Republic and Slovakia have had to move COVID hospital patients to other European countries and Latvian hospitals are preparing for a third coronavirus wave....

The Czech Republic is in the worst situation in Europe but other nations are not doing much better.

suicide_circus · 12-03-2021 09:28PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

What country?

Want to maintain anonymity if you don't mind. EU, former eastern bloc.

ypres5 · 12-03-2021 09:28PM

Monster249 wrote: »

and get paid high six figure salaries for doing so.

i suggest you visit the current affairs thread on paul reids salary just to see how many people you have defending his massive pay packet and I honestly don't know why they do it

TonyMaloney · 12-03-2021 09:30PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Want to maintain anonymity if you don't mind. EU, former eastern bloc.

Eh unless it's the vatican state your identity is probably safe enough.

I suspect you're waffling, but I guess we'll never know

copeyhagen · 12-03-2021 09:30PM

copeyhagen wrote: »

meanwhile my folks are out for dinner and drinks in benalmadena..... fml

theres one.

arent Ireland, UK and parts of France only ones with hospitality closed?

suicide_circus · 12-03-2021 09:31PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Eh unless it's the vatican state your identity is probably safe enough.

I suspect you're waffling, but I guess we'll never know

Lol, and if i named a country would i know longer be waffling?

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings