Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

Boggles · 07-03-2021 02:52PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

You have also seen construction fully reopened across Ireland while out walking

Yes Fintan, the majority of construction workers are working.

Maybe take a walk yourself.

Natterjack from Kerry · 07-03-2021 03:08PM

Boggles wrote: »

Yes Fintan, the majority of construction workers are working.

Maybe take a walk yourself.

Which is fine. People get too hung up on this is safe, or, this is not safe. There is no such thing. Its a question of the risk in all cases, and balancing the acceptable risk against the gains. There is a risk for vaccinators doing their job. So it that safe ? They might catch covid. Does than mean we should stop vaccinations ? Of course not.
Construction work, worth the risk. Teenagers gathering in groups because they dont understand the risk, not worth the risk.

dublinbando · 07-03-2021 03:13PM

Better stop trying to cross the road, it's just too unsafe

Natterjack from Kerry · 07-03-2021 03:19PM

dublinbando wrote: »

Better stop trying to cross the road, it's just too unsafe

OK, you get it. But a lot of people dont. They just go down a simplistic line of - crossing a road is safe enough to do, OK so, every can walk across the M50 if they want. As I said, its all about the level of risk, and their are no absolutes.

gozunda · 07-03-2021 03:33PM

dublinbando wrote: »

Better stop trying to cross the road, it's just too unsafe

Certainly crossing the road may indeed be dangerous. But as long as people observe some fairly simple safety rules and do so correctly - and where and when allowed - no reason they can't cross safety.

Doesn't stop some insisting that any rules or regulations whatsover are in effect an infringement of their rights or wtte

I see the Darwin Awards website has come up with a special award to be handed out to anti mask wearers

https://i.imgflip.com/50qbn9.jpg

agoodpunt · 07-03-2021 04:40PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

You have also seen construction fully reopened across Ireland while out walking

Not true, materials hard to get concrete only delivered if the site is approved probably gardening bits of freelancing, know a couple of sites operating in dublin been watched by our good old boys in blue

walus · 07-03-2021 04:49PM

dublinbando wrote: »

Better stop trying to cross the road, it's just too unsafe

It is good to know the risk. For a vast majority of people the risk of dying from a bike fall is much greater than from covid.

Melanchthon · 07-03-2021 04:53PM

Boggles wrote: »

Yes Fintan, the majority of construction workers are working.

Maybe take a walk yourself.

That's a bareface lie, something like 60-70% sites closed

FintanMcluskey · 07-03-2021 05:02PM

agoodpunt wrote: »

Not true, materials hard to get concrete only delivered if the site is approved probably gardening bits of freelancing, know a couple of sites operating in dublin been watched by our good old boys in blue

It’s not true.

The poster claimed that the majority of construction is open.

Completely false of course, certain projects are continuing, the majority is closed

dublinbando · 07-03-2021 05:09PM

Drop the 5km limit and ban on "non-essential" retail, it's stupid and disproportionally affects small businesses and the average person. Masks and social distancing on the other hand, that's a good idea, anything more than that is unnecessary.

The first lockdown was to "flatten the curve" and didn't last anywhere near as long as the current lockdown, how the hell is a 9 week (so far) level 5 lockdown going to do any good for anybody?

FlubberJones · 07-03-2021 05:13PM

dublinbando wrote: »

Drop the 5km limit and ban on "non-essential" retail, it's stupid and disproportionally affects small businesses and the average person. Masks and social distancing on the other hand, that's a good idea, anything more than that is unnecessary.

The first lockdown was to "flatten the curve" and didn't last anywhere near as long as the current lockdown, how the hell is a 9 week (so far) level 5 lockdown going to do any good for anybody?

Clueless leadership with no idea what to do other than lockdown.

The Davestator · 07-03-2021 05:18PM

The issue that some politicians have already decided what April will look like regardless of the actual stats of cases, hospitalizations etc.

and NPHET are not likely to ask them to relax anything because, well because they're NPHET

PTH2009 · 07-03-2021 05:31PM

The Davestator wrote: »

The issue that some politicians have already decided what April will look like regardless of the actual stats of cases, hospitalizations etc.

and NPHET are not likely to ask them to relax anything because, well because they're NPHET

Yeah it's both depressing and frustrating, NPHET are the real leaders and the won't be underestimated again or else

Economic grounds needs to be seriously considered esp with partial/full reopenings all over Europe/UK. A repeat of summer 2020 in Ireland will not cut it at this stage

gozunda · 07-03-2021 05:58PM

walus wrote: »

It is good to know the risk. For a vast majority of people the risk of dying from a bike fall is much greater than from covid.

Well I suppose you have a point there all right ...

For the period January - December 2020 - a total of 32 Pedestrians lost their lives on Irish roads..

From the first death on the 11th of March to the 18th of November 2020 approx 2000 people lost their lives due to covid

...

gozunda · 07-03-2021 06:07PM

dublinbando wrote: »

Drop the 5km limit and ban on "non-essential" retail, it's stupid and disproportionally affects small businesses and the average person. Masks and social distancing on the other hand, that's a good idea, anything more than that is unnecessary.

The first lockdown was to "flatten the curve" and didn't last anywhere near as long as the current lockdown, how the hell is a 9 week (so far) level 5 lockdown going to do any good for anybody?

I think the general idea was to get both the number of new cases and the numbers in hospital / ICU down from the horrendous numbers we saw in January when we picked up the global award for the highest infection rate in the world, much higher than anything we saw in April 2020.

But yes numbers seem to get definitely going the right way atm under current restrictions.

Schools have already started back and the vaccination programme is under way. It remains that a rapid loosening of restrictions will likely see that rate of infection rise again. I'd really prefer not to end up again where we were in January.

PTH2009 · 07-03-2021 06:21PM

You'd have to worry about the goalposts been moved and the never ending VARIENTS hysteria

corcaigh07 · 07-03-2021 06:23PM

Melanchthon wrote: »

That's a bareface lie, something like 60-70% sites closed

He's lied about this already, best to not engage.

Penfailed · 07-03-2021 06:34PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

You'd have to worry about the goalposts been moved and the never ending VARIENTS hysteria

Not isolated to Ireland by the way. Concerns in the UK about the Brazilian variant was making the headlines towards the end of last week. I don't follow any European news as I don't speak the language(s)...but I'd imagine it's the same. Me, I'm not worrying about it the way you appear to be. Worrying about something that you have no control over is a waste of time.

ypres5 · 07-03-2021 06:42PM

Melanchthon wrote: »

That's a bareface lie, something like 60-70% sites closed

now now boggles saw 3 construction workers when he was out for a walk once so that means every single construction worker is currently working despite it being proven otherwise several times

PTH2009 · 07-03-2021 07:23PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Not isolated to Ireland by the way. Concerns in the UK about the Brazilian variant was making the headlines towards the end of last week. I don't follow any European news as I don't speak the language(s)...but I'd imagine it's the same. Me, I'm not worrying about it the way you appear to be. Worrying about something that you have no control over is a waste of time.

I'm more worried about what the fools in the Dail will do because of the Variants than I actually am of the virus itself

Penfailed · 07-03-2021 07:29PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

I'm more worried about what the fools in the Dail will do because of the Variants than I actually am of the virus itself

What will worrying about it achieve?

Natterjack from Kerry · 07-03-2021 07:34PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

I'm more worried about what the fools in the Dail will do because of the Variants than I actually am of the virus itself

I think they will be playing it very carefully according to the data, so dont think there is any great cause for worry. The obligatory quarantine will increase the safety barriers to new variants and no international holidays during the summer for Irish people will keep a lid on the general spread.

KanyeSouthEast · 07-03-2021 07:41PM

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

I think they will be playing it very carefully according to the data, so dont think there is any great cause for worry. The obligatory quarantine will increase the safety barriers to new variants and no international holidays during the summer for Irish people will keep a lid on the general spread.

Just wondering natter how long would you have no international travel for?

hynesie08 · 07-03-2021 07:44PM

Penfailed wrote: »

What will worrying about it achieve?

He seems to enjoy the misery, leave him to it.

07-03-2021 08:08PM

Just over 500 cases today.

0.01% of the population with the virus.

99.99% do not and are locked up, 4,903,500 people - and told they cannot get a haircut because of "widespread community transmission".

Natterjack from Kerry · 07-03-2021 08:11PM

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

Just wondering natter how long would you have no international travel for?

It depends on the numbers of course, but my feeling is to allow non essential quatanine free travel from early next year, probably start in Jan so that there wouldnt be any over next Christmas. That would be only to countries that have high vaccine rates, similar case numbers, and obligatory quarantine programmes for problems countries. But to have an earlier non essential travel open up from some time in the Autumn (effectively to get beyond the school holidays), for those willing to do the 14 day quarantine. That would allow some freedom for discretionary travel, those with holidays homes going there for the winter, etc.

Cartman78 · 07-03-2021 08:50PM

Lockdown #1: "Flatten the curve, save lives!!"

Lockdown #2: "Save Christmas!!"

Lockdown #3: ?????

Wtf is going on at this stage?

The lack of communication from the government is beyond a joke now....I genuinely have no idea right now what even the medium term plan is (??)

NPHET get a lot of stick and some of it is warranted but at the end of the day they are attempting to fulfill their role, which seems to be the maximization of public health at all costs and a move towards zero Covid.

The problem is that this approach is simply not sustainable and is exacerbated by the crazy amount of airtime they get and is made even worse by nobody is government having the guts and/or balls to showing some leadership.

Boris Johnson is a mendacious clown but at least has shown some smidgin of leadership and whether or not they achieve their goal at least they have a fupping plan and something to aim for.

Boggles · 07-03-2021 09:02PM

Boggles wrote: »

the majority of construction workers are working.

Melanchthon wrote: »

That's a bareface lie, something like 60-70% sites closed

corcaigh07 wrote: »

He's lied about this already, best to not engage.

ypres5 wrote: »

now now boggles saw 3 construction workers when he was out for a walk once so that means every single construction worker is currently working despite it being proven otherwise several times

Nope

150000 construction workers are operating on 1100 sites, according to the CIF

The sector with the highest number of people receiving PUP this week is Accommodation and Food Service activities (110,216), followed by Wholesale and Retail Trade (74,589) and Construction (59,867).

Also Tom Parlon apparently has heard many of the 59,867 are also working.

Mr Parlon said he is hearing anecdotally that many construction workers are "out doing nixers"

That was in response to a question on Newstalk by the interviewer saying every time he is out walking all he sees is construction workers working.

Also

Mr Parlon said 40% of sites have been open since January

That's where the confusion of 40% of construction workers stems from.

The figure is officially 60%, but as Tom has heard the unofficial one is probably much higher.

Boggles · 07-03-2021 09:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just over 500 cases today.

0.01% of the population with the virus.

99.99% do not

Obviously that's false.

You'd have a point though if it only lasted 24 hours and wasn't transmissible.

MrMusician18 · 07-03-2021 09:12PM

Cartman78 wrote: »

Lockdown #1: "Flatten the curve, save lives!!"

Lockdown #2: "Save Christmas!!"

Lockdown #3: ?????

Wtf is going on at this stage?

The lack of communication from the government is beyond a joke now....I genuinely have no idea right now what even the medium term plan is (??)

NPHET get a lot of stick and some of it is warranted but at the end of the day they are attempting to fulfill their role, which seems to be the maximization of public health at all costs and a move towards zero Covid.

The problem is that this approach is simply not sustainable and is exacerbated by the crazy amount of airtime they get and is made even worse by nobody is government having the guts and/or balls to showing some leadership.

Boris Johnson is a mendacious clown but at least has shown some smidgin of leadership and whether or not they achieve their goal at least they have a fupping plan and something to aim for.

Some people have been complaining because the government message has been the same for so long, and then we get posts like the above. Each and every lockdown has been about protecting the health service from getting overwhelmed. That is it, that simple. As we saw at Christmas, it doesn't take long for this disease to get out of control, but a long time to get it back under control - hence the same messaging.

The medium term plan is to both suppress the virus and offer vaccines to the vulnerable groups so that the above goal of not overwhelming the health service happens.

A year in and I really cannot believe I'm explaining this.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings