COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

CrabRevolution · 06-03-2021 06:00PM

irishgeo wrote: »

Honestly when people get it into their heads we can't be speed it because we don't have any vaccines.

people bitching about we need to buy outside the EU deal. We need 8 million doses. That's a small city is some countries like Germany.

How much of a premium would we have to pay. There is no guarantee we would get our doses any quicker.

If we did that people would still bitching because we would be wasting money or why aren't we in the EU who are getting there first.

The 2nd doses need to be done sometime. Sure let's a variant in against a half vaccinated population. So it can learn to mutate against non fully vaccinated immune system. Then it's back to square 1.

I don't think anyone is unaware that supply is the bottleneck anymore. They just want to criticise anyway.

cameramonkey · 06-03-2021 06:30PM

How come Micky Martin has more recent numbers for vaccinations than have been announced by the HSE? Is it a leak designed to give Mickeys poor poll ratings a boost. This information should not be used for political gain for one party it should be published by the relevant authorities.

i suppose he had to get the leak out before Leo.

06-03-2021 06:37PM

Stolen from another thread but looks like the UK have sourced 10m AZ doses from India.

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/10-million-doses-from-india-wont-impact-poor-nations-vaccine-access-says-uk-221497#.YEOJe5OWBOQ.twitter

Not sure if they're pulling a bit of a stroke or not, but certainly a bit underhand considering Indian production was meant to be low or middle income countries.

They'll do whatever they can to meet vaccine targets it seems.

BlondeLou · 06-03-2021 06:54PM

Knex* wrote: »

So they're purely going on number of jabs in arms, not individuals with first or second dose? Seems a bit weird to have the vaccine as the primary entity, and not the human.

Now I'm confused If so, apologies SM. I'm off the mark it seems!

This confused me for a while but it’s of the 320K+ who received first vaccine, 140K+ of these have had their second vaccine.

Numbers from Wednesday.

eoinbn · 06-03-2021 07:07PM

irishgeo wrote: »

Honestly when people get it into their heads we can't be speed it because we don't have any vaccines.

people bitching about we need to buy outside the EU deal. We need 8 million doses. That's a small city is some countries like Germany.

How much of a premium would we have to pay. There is no guarantee we would get our doses any quicker.

If we did that people would still bitching because we would be wasting money or why aren't we in the EU who are getting there first.

The 2nd doses need to be done sometime. Sure let's a variant in against a half vaccinated population. So it can learn to mutate against non fully vaccinated immune system. Then it's back to square 1.

That is economic thinking that has gotten the EU into this bind.
The cost premium would be insignificant in the greater scheme. We are paying about €4 for the two doses of AZ but we are paying GP's €60 to administer the doses. The vaccines are basically close enough to free at the current price. Even the more expensive vaccine aren't expensive when compared to the cost of lockdowns. Ireland is burning through €1.5bn a month.
If the EU made an investment of a fraction of that size into production for each of the chosen vaccines then we would likely be exporting vaccines by the summer and not begging developing countries to supply us with vaccines. We are a global laughing stock.

IRISHSPORTSGUY · 06-03-2021 07:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Stolen from another thread but looks like the UK have sourced 10m AZ doses from India.

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/10-million-doses-from-india-wont-impact-poor-nations-vaccine-access-says-uk-221497#.YEOJe5OWBOQ.twitter

Not sure if they're pulling a bit of a stroke or not, but certainly a bit underhand considering Indian production was meant to be low or middle income countries.

They'll do whatever they can to meet vaccine targets it seems.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN2AT1J0

hynesie08 · 06-03-2021 07:33PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

How come Micky Martin has more recent numbers for vaccinations than have been announced by the HSE? Is it a leak designed to give Mickeys poor poll ratings a boost. This information should not be used for political gain for one party it should be published by the relevant authorities.

i suppose he had to get the leak out before Leo.

You know we're actually getting the vaccine distribution right when this is what people have to complain about......

cameramonkey · 06-03-2021 07:44PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

You know we're actually getting the vaccine distribution right when this is what people have to complain about......

I did notnt mention the distribution as I know you can only put int people s arms what arrives in the country. I was just saying that I dont think ministers should exploit information like this to improve their political position.

ceegee · 06-03-2021 07:48PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

How come Micky Martin has more recent numbers for vaccinations than have been announced by the HSE? Is it a leak designed to give Mickeys poor poll ratings a boost. This information should not be used for political gain for one party it should be published by the relevant authorities.

i suppose he had to get the leak out before Leo.

If the Taoiseach didn't have more recent numbers than the published figures it would be gross incompetence.
There's a 2 day delay on the published figures, of course the government would be getting updated on the current totals

Melanchthon · 06-03-2021 08:04PM

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

Israel are leading the whole world. Is this the mentality we are dealing with, if Ireland doesn’t have the most vaccines of anywhere, we are doing ****.

Israel is a complete outlier, they are practically a military state. They have deep pockets and strong American support. They sold the data of all their citizens to support this. We couldn’t do that even if we wanted to.

I am sick of these type of dismissive responses , Ireland does lead the world , unfortunately it leads the world in longest and most severe lockdowns.

Literally anywhere else in the world and me and many many others would be able to work at the minute.

Ireland is a outlier for the bad stuff why shouldn't we be demanding that we are an outlier on the good as well.

cameramonkey · 06-03-2021 08:14PM

ceegee wrote: »

If the Taoiseach didn't have more recent numbers than the published figures it would be gross incompetence.
There's a 2 day delay on the published figures, of course the government would be getting updated on the current totals

So if they have the data why do they take two days to release it? Why not publish what they have in the same way they do with hospital numbers and positive test numbers?

ACitizenErased · 06-03-2021 08:17PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

So if they have the data why do they take two days to release it? Why not publish what they have in the same way they do with hospital numbers and positive test numbers?

Because its a rolling total, if the public want a proper accurate daily total there has to be a delay

Tippbhoy1 · 06-03-2021 08:32PM

Melanchthon wrote: »

I am sick of these type of dismissive responses , Ireland does lead the world , unfortunately it leads the world in longest and most severe lockdowns.

Literally anywhere else in the world and me and many many others would be able to work at the minute.

Ireland is a outlier for the bad stuff why shouldn't we be demanding that we are an outlier on the good as well.

You shouldn’t be demanding such because it is not realistic. It is basic economics and world influence, Ireland are a drop in the ocean on the world stage and this is where the vaccine procurement is taking place right now. Because we are crap at some stuff, which is debatable, doesn’t mean we should be better at other stuff, in fact it’s likely the opposite.

Regardless for context, we are not far off the 10 ten countries in the world right now for vaccinations.

If you continue to think like this, you will continue to be very sick of the outcomes I’m afraid.

Micky 32 · 06-03-2021 08:38PM

Fergal Bowers :

“” It may not feel like it but we are in a very different place now, compared to a year ago.

At that time, much less was understood about coronavirus and in many ways we were heading into the dark and the unknown.

We are now in early spring and the season of light and renewal.

We are much better armed, with a vast amount of medical and scientific knowledge and the new weapon of vaccination.

It should inject us all with a new sense of hope and that maybe, an end is in sight.“”

funnydoggy · 06-03-2021 08:42PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Fergal Bowers :

“” It may not feel like it but we are in a very different place now, compared to a year ago.

At that time, much less was understood about coronavirus and in many ways we were heading into the dark and the unknown.

We are now in early spring and the season of light and renewal.

We are much better armed, with a vast amount of medical and scientific knowledge and the new weapon of vaccination.

It should inject us all with a new sense of hope and that maybe, an end is in sight.“”

Afterwards, he's escorted into the back of a black van and never seen again. The van is dumped in a field, burned out and in the front seat there's an expense reciept with RTÉ at the top of it :pac:

JacksonHeightsOwn · 06-03-2021 08:44PM

with the Sputnik V getting a rolling review from the EMA

does anyone actually believe the EMA will authorise it for use within the block?

Im still sceptical on the politics behind it, not so much the vaccine, but id be shocked if the EU agreed to line the pockets of Putin, just so they could "save face"

PCeeeee · 06-03-2021 08:52PM

chrisbonnie wrote: »

with the Sputnik V getting a rolling review from the EMA

does anyone actually believe the EMA will authorise it for use within the block?

Im still sceptical on the politics behind it, not so much the vaccine, but id be shocked if the EU agreed to line the pockets of Putin, just so they could "save face"

I believe the EMA operates on a scientific basis. It will approve Sputnik V if the submission shows it to be safe and efficacious.

eoinbn · 06-03-2021 09:30PM

chrisbonnie wrote: »

with the Sputnik V getting a rolling review from the EMA

does anyone actually believe the EMA will authorise it for use within the block?

Im still sceptical on the politics behind it, not so much the vaccine, but id be shocked if the EU agreed to line the pockets of Putin, just so they could "save face"

Russia want the EMA to approve it so that it has access to Europe's manufacturing. If it is safe then the EMA should approve it. It is then up to the individual companies to decide if they want to support Russia's agenda. At that stage the EU based companies might come under some pressure from the EU not to work with Gamaleya but I doubt it. The number 1 priority should be to ramp up production.
If Gamaleya does get some EU companies on board then the question the EU needs to answer is why we had productions sites that are capable of manufacturing vaccines sitting idle when there were already approved vaccines...

CIARAN_BOYLE · 06-03-2021 09:57PM

chrisbonnie wrote: »

with the Sputnik V getting a rolling review from the EMA

does anyone actually believe the EMA will authorise it for use within the block?

Im still sceptical on the politics behind it, not so much the vaccine, but id be shocked if the EU agreed to line the pockets of Putin, just so they could "save face"

I reckon if the trial information supports approval it will be approved. However that doesn't mean it will be bought.

jackryan34 · 06-03-2021 10:21PM

eoinbn wrote: »

That is economic thinking that has gotten the EU into this bind.
The cost premium would be insignificant in the greater scheme. We are paying about €4 for the two doses of AZ but we are paying GP's €60 to administer the doses. The vaccines are basically close enough to free at the current price. Even the more expensive vaccine aren't expensive when compared to the cost of lockdowns. Ireland is burning through €1.5bn a month.
If the EU made an investment of a fraction of that size into production for each of the chosen vaccines then we would likely be exporting vaccines by the summer and not begging developing countries to supply us with vaccines. We are a global laughing stock.

Not sure I'd blame EU

If Oxford hadn't sold out to a shaddy pharmaceutical company like AZ we could be swimming in that vaccine.Back in April 20 when Oxford announced the vaccine, they promised it would be open source and any company could manufacturer it, they then sold out to AZ and no other company produces the vaccine

Could have been so different if they didn't partner up with AZ exclusively and we had independent manufacturing all over the world with that formula

1 vaccine and a global effort to produce it by all nations would have got us out of this a long time ago

Instead we have this mess, which is pure greed

brickster69 · 06-03-2021 11:45PM

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN2AT1J0

Lots of countries who are considered well off are being supplied from the Indian plant. Canada, New Zealand, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain among many more others. If the UK ordered 10 million what are you moaning at, Ireland could of done the same.

stephenjmcd · 06-03-2021 11:47PM

Whatever reprofiling of deliveries means, anyway Moderna aren't delivering big numbers so doesn't seem to be that much impact overall & any impact looks short lived

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1368331294690729987?s=19

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1368332004647964679?s=19

Dickie10 · 06-03-2021 11:50PM

when would people be happy that things open? would early june be ok for most?

brickster69 · 06-03-2021 11:53PM

With all these other big EU countries approving AZ for use in older people does anyone think it might be time to bite the bullet and do likewise ?

hynesie08 · 07-03-2021 12:06AM

brickster69 wrote: »

With all these other big EU countries approving AZ for use in older people does anyone think it might be time to bite the bullet and do likewise ?

We need a guarantee of vaccines actually arriving, but if we had enough to mop up the remaining over 85s I'd be all for it.

User142 · 07-03-2021 12:10AM

I wonder will we reach out now to the Brits and look for their excess doses now. I hope so. Free travel within the CTA this Summer would be lovely.

stephenjmcd · 07-03-2021 12:12AM

User142 wrote: »

I wonder will we reach out now to the Brits and look for their excess doses now. I hope so. Free travel within the CTA this Summer would be lovely.

What excess doses?? They've to do dose 2 for millions dose 1 for millions more.

trellheim · 07-03-2021 12:16AM

Richard Chambers' tweet above - who usually has solid data - merely confirms what I was posting during the week. There is no assurance on the deliveries

Beasty · 07-03-2021 12:16AM

Dickie10 wrote: »

when would people be happy that things open? would early june be ok for most?

The 2 main threads cover restrictions - it's off topic in this one

Wolf359f · 07-03-2021 12:18AM

brickster69 wrote: »

With all these other big EU countries approving AZ for use in older people does anyone think it might be time to bite the bullet and do likewise ?

We seem to be getting multiple times more Pfizer than AZ, wouldn't be worth risking not having supplies for dosing and also the second dose.
They are so unreliable, Moderna will probably ramp up sooner than AZ.
And as some poster mentioned before, Moderna is like the Internet Explorer with vaccines.

COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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