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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #3482
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    timmyntc wrote: »
    Did you just accuse the CSO's death statistics to be skewed to fit my personal ambition? :confused:

    A poster said hospitals and icu admissions are more prevalent younger people than deaths. The health service will be stressed if we open.

    You said all that matters are deaths heres the stats.

    I said that the data about deaths is very one sided and I was meaning that its only of value if you want to ignore truth and open up.

    I can't find total data about the age of hospital admissions but during a given period 43% of admissions were under 65.

    I believe its a higher % for icu admissions but that's off the top of my head.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/hse-chief-says-covid-19-concern-in-hospitals-at-highest-level-ever-1068365.html

    Deaths are of course important but we are very capable of overwhelming the hospital system with cases in under 65s. Thats key to me.

    Once full medical care resumes the one thing I want more than anything is that routine and urgent elective procedures aren't stopped again.


  • #3483
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,541 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    timmyntc wrote: »
    I take your point - however over 65s make up a big share of hospital & ICU, so once they are vaccinated we have a much larger capacity for the other cohort.

    And when looking at the role underlying conditions played in deaths under 65, I dont doubt they played a big role in who got hospitalised also.

    Just because you have ~30% less being hospitalized doesn't mean we can continue on and use that 30% extra capacity to cater for more Covid cases in hospital.

    OP wanted 70+ vaccinated and open up. I made a comment about under 70's accounting for about 70% of all hospital admissions and a higher % for ICU admissions. I never referenced deaths. I was talking about hospital admissions.


  • #3484
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭Polar101


    lee_baby_simms wrote: »
    I fully expect a tweet from Simon Harris today describing what went on in that church was “a kick in the teeth to everyone who has sacrificed so much”.

    In fairness, he is the minister for higher education, so I'd expect him to comment on matters relating to university students, rather than what's happening in a church.


  • #3485
    amandstu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭amandstu


    amandstu wrote: »
    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/04/health/obesity-covid-death-rate-intl/index.html

    Apparently there has been a study that seems to show a 10 fold increase in mortality rates due to covid-19 between countries with a high rate of overweight in comparison to countries with a lower rate.

    Quite an effect.

    Must surely apply to quite a degree within the individual countries too,I'd have thought.

    Do those numbers feel right? Any comments?


  • #3486
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Polar101 wrote: »
    In fairness, he is the minister for higher education, so I'd expect him to comment on matters relating to university students, rather than what's happening in a church.

    So which minister should comment on mass goers?


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  • #3487
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,652 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    A poster said hospitals and icu admissions are more prevalent younger people than deaths. The health service will be stressed if we open.

    You said all that matters are deaths heres the stats.

    I said that the data about deaths is very one sided and I was meaning that its only of value if you want to ignore truth and open up.

    I can't find total data about the age of hospital admissions but during a given period 43% of admissions were under 65.

    I believe its a higher % for icu admissions but that's off the top of my head.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/hse-chief-says-covid-19-concern-in-hospitals-at-highest-level-ever-1068365.html

    Deaths are of course important but we are very capable of overwhelming the hospital system with cases in under 65s. Thats key to me.

    Once full medical care resumes the one thing I want more than anything is that routine and urgent elective procedures aren't stopped again.

    CSO dont seem to have cumulative data for hospital & ICU admissions (or I cant find it) but from the week by week it looks like hospitalisation are split about 40:60 in terms of over 65s, whereas ICU is closer to 50:50 split (over 80 they dont really get put in ICU).

    Again while they dont have data for underlying conditions getting hospitalised, I would imagine its a signficant factor.


  • #3488
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,652 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Just because you have ~30% less being hospitalized doesn't mean we can continue on and use that 30% extra capacity to cater for more Covid cases in hospital.

    OP wanted 70+ vaccinated and open up. I made a comment about under 70's accounting for about 70% of all hospital admissions and a higher % for ICU admissions. I never referenced deaths. I was talking about hospital admissions.

    In fairness "open up" means different things to different people. I wouldnt advocate dropping all restrictions, but going to Level 3 at the least is achievable with our vaccinations ongoing.
    amandstu wrote: »
    Do those numbers feel right? Any comments?

    Makes sense. Heart disease, hypertension, and BMI > 40 are some of the underlying conditions tracked by CSO. Heart disease representing most of the deaths. (40% of all, moreso as a % of all underlying conditions)


  • #3489
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,666 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Does anyone know why Sneem received the number of doses it did?
    Is 300 the minimum number of doses in a delivery?

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0305/1201119-sneem-vaccine/


  • #3490
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    josip wrote: »
    Does anyone know why Sneem received the number of doses it did?
    Is 300 the minimum number of doses in a delivery?

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0305/1201119-sneem-vaccine/

    There was talk of a high minimum delivery number before.

    Various GPs were encouraged to buddy up with a local practice if they didn't have enough patients eligible for vaccination.

    I guess if they couldn't buddy up a delivery was arranged.


  • #3491
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,145 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Amirani wrote: »
    Yep, the same people probably constantly demanding open disclosure and accusing Holohan of trying to "cover up" CervicalCheck issues by having a private inquiry before making everything public.

    You either want a paternalistic medical culture that tries to treat people with blissful ignorance, or you want one that is open and honest about things. There's no in between. You can't have both.

    Indeed you can't have both, and I this openness hopefully it's a result and learning from the cervical check scandal.

    Give women all the information and let them decide for themselves.


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  • #3492
    SeaMermaid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭SeaMermaid


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    A poster said hospitals and icu admissions are more prevalent younger people than deaths. The health service will be stressed if we open.

    You said all that matters are deaths heres the stats.

    I said that the data about deaths is very one sided and I was meaning that its only of value if you want to ignore truth and open up.

    I can't find total data about the age of hospital admissions but during a given period 43% of admissions were under 65.

    I believe its a higher % for icu admissions but that's off the top of my head.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/hse-chief-says-covid-19-concern-in-hospitals-at-highest-level-ever-1068365.html

    Deaths are of course important but we are very capable of overwhelming the hospital system with cases in under 65s. Thats key to me.

    Once full medical care resumes the one thing I want more than anything is that routine and urgent elective procedures aren't stopped again.

    +1 to this.

    Some people see the vaccines as an end to this pandemic and the vaccines will bring about an end but just not yet. The vaccines are new and so far the priority groups for roll out are healthcsre workers and elderly people. Health care workers and care homes were done and its now going into the aging population in communities. Many people won't see a vaccine for months and say the under 70s or the under 65s will still be vulnerable to the virus.

    The tallaght hospital investigation documentary on rte highlighted young adults in their 20s waiting to be admitted to the hospital for covid care. There were other adults in the or 30s and 40s too. So far the lockdown and suppression of the virus has shielded many people from exposure of the virus and that's why there's isn't more get ill or in hospital.

    If we opened up fully forgetting about the virus, we would be like Brazil with mass graves being dug. There's no appetite for that in Ireland.


  • #3493
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Amirani wrote: »
    A decision wouldn't have been made to list them in the deaths.

    The process all along in Ireland has been to classify Possible, Probable and Confirmed deaths where Covid is present as Covid deaths, and then de-notify as necessary once more information is available. This is automatic.

    So purely because Covid is involved, it means that these will automatically be counted as possible Covid deaths until a coroner determines otherwise. This isn't new and has been the process since last April or so.

    Would it not be much clearer and more honest to break the numbers down into categories:-
    1. Where Covid is present and confirmed by a positive test.
    2. Where Covid is suspected to be present but not confirmed by a positive test.

    One thing we have learned over the past year is that most people who have symptoms of Covid are in fact Covid negative. This must also be true of people ‘suspected’ to have died from Covid.


  • #3494
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,277 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    josip wrote: »
    Does anyone know why Sneem received the number of doses it did?
    Is 300 the minimum number of doses in a delivery?

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0305/1201119-sneem-vaccine/

    Was wondering the same. Was thinking any extras could be diverted to over 85s who haven't got it yet in other parts of Kerry but maybe not as simple as that.


  • #3495
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,652 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    SeaMermaid wrote: »
    +1 to this.

    If we opened up fully forgetting about the virus, we would be like Brazil with mass graves being dug. There's no appetite for that in Ireland.

    Who is advocating that?
    People want an end to the ongoing level 5 lockdown we've been in Since Dec and will be in till May at least.
    People want a near-normal summer, which is definitely achievable given the most vulnerable are vaccinated or are in the process.


  • #3496
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    timmyntc wrote: »
    This is up to end of January:



    82% actually had underlying condition as it turns out. Still quite high.
    Once over 65s, and all underlying conditions are vaccinated, hard to see any reason not to reopen to a level 3 at the very least.

    Sounds impressive, but pretty meaningless unless you also tell us what proportion of the population have an underlying condition. Isn't being overweight one? That would get you 60% of the population straight away.


  • #3497
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    SeaMermaid wrote: »

    If we opened up fully forgetting about the virus, we would be like Brazil with mass graves being dug. There's no appetite for that in Ireland.

    Welcome to Boards Dr McConkey,. ;-)


  • #3498
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,541 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    timmyntc wrote: »
    In fairness "open up" means different things to different people. I wouldnt advocate dropping all restrictions, but going to Level 3 at the least is achievable with our vaccinations ongoing.
    True, but when the OP was using the Flu hospitalizing 1400 in a year, I can only imagine what their definition of "open up" is.

    We've another month to keep suppressing the figures, each day more and more get vaccinated and more and more are being discharged from hospital & ICU. So going to level 3 seems plausible. May be better getting non-essential retail and hair dressers back first, followed a few weeks later with restaurants etc.

    Just as long as the powers to be follow the data and see after ~4 weeks of a single dose of a vaccine there's a notable drop in transmission and high degree of protection. I'd ****ing hate if they play the "wait 12 weeks for the second dose and a further few weeks to be fully protected" etc...
    People won't have the patience for that kind of thinking!


  • #3499
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Would it not be much clearer and more honest to break the numbers down into categories:-
    1. Where Covid is present and confirmed by a positive test.
    2. Where Covid is suspected to be present but not confirmed by a positive test.

    One thing we have learned over the past year is that most people who have symptoms of Covid are in fact Covid negative. This must also be true of people ‘suspected’ to have died from Covid.

    Yea, because people die from colds everyday of the week.


  • #3500
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    426 confirmed Covid cases in hospital, 102 of that number in ICU. Down again on yesterday's figures.


  • #3501
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,652 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    Sounds impressive, but pretty meaningless unless you also tell us what proportion of the population have an underlying condition. Isn't being overweight one? That would get you 60% of the population straight away.

    No, only a BMI over 40 is counted.
    The CSO is clear about which conditions they record.


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  • #3502
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    Yea, because people die from colds everyday of the week.

    Actually they do if they are very frail already. It doesn’t take much to tip someone over the edge if they are close to the edge anyway.


  • #3503
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Construction challenging the restrictions. I think Ireland is the only country in Europe to close most of construction.
    https://www.independent.ie/news/state-faces-legal-challenge-to-discriminatory-covid-19-construction-restrictions-40162601.html


  • #3504
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,070 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Was wondering the same. Was thinking any extras could be diverted to over 85s who haven't got it yet in other parts of Kerry but maybe not as simple as that.

    GP practices seem to get it in batches. In smaller practices the excess given out to those in next cohorts. I’ve heard of folks over 75 getting it from my own gp


  • #3505
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Actually they do if they are very frail already. It doesn’t take much to tip someone over the edge if they are close to the edge anyway.

    Wow, so it is no worse than the common cold now is it? I think I'll leave it there with you.


  • #3506
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    Wow, so it is no worse than the common cold now is it? I think I'll leave it there with you.

    I believe it was you who raised the issue of the common cold the OP just indulged you.


  • #3507
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    completedit wrote: »
    Hearing that in Bulgaria everything but nightclubs are now open. Businesses supposed to be at 50% capacity but Sofia has pretty much returned to normal. Honestly, we're such a passive country(for better or worse)

    Well let's see how it goes first before throwing around the insults!
    Bulgaria has the highest rate of excess deaths in the EU and is now going into another wave
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/bulgaria/


  • #3508
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Construction challenging the restrictions. I think Ireland is the only country in Europe to close most of construction.
    https://www.independent.ie/news/state-faces-legal-challenge-to-discriminatory-covid-19-construction-restrictions-40162601.html


    I would say they are starting to feel pressure from many areas, Decathalon and others starting to apply it now publicly (I would think its been happening all round). https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/major-foreign-retailers-express-frustration-at-length-of-irish-shutdown-1.4501611


  • #3509
    SeaMermaid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭SeaMermaid


    timmyntc wrote: »
    Who is advocating that?
    People want an end to the ongoing level 5 lockdown we've been in Since Dec and will be in till May at least.
    People want a near-normal summer, which is definitely achievable given the most vulnerable are vaccinated or are in the process.

    The key to a safe and successful reopening will be get the level of virus transmissions down to as low as possible to give the virus less chances to transmit. Reopening now from an average daily count of approx 400 to 500, will be a disaster for spread. Ongoing level 5 is 5hit and I have my own difficulties but risking the virus and potentially contributing to spread is not the answer. It's all about stopping the movements of people to give the virus less chances to transmit right now.


  • #3510
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    pc7 wrote: »
    I would say they are starting to feel pressure from many areas, Decathalon and others starting to apply it now publicly (I would think its been happening all round). https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/major-foreign-retailers-express-frustration-at-length-of-irish-shutdown-1.4501611

    There are many sectors both commercial and recreational that are closed with little to no justification. I'm not surprised businesses are challenging the government. There is a very significant bill building and it will have to be paid. Half a million people sitting at home on PUP is not sustainable.


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  • #3511
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,926 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 427 (down from 472 last night)
    ICU 103 (down from 108 last night)

    Last Thursday
    Total 585
    ICU 140
    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    That's some change in hospital figures

    Fantastic to see




    Would be more fantastic if they lived, I'd hardly cheer if ICU number was 0 today but deaths was 103


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