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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #3392
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Seemingly this guy things is better to not inform pregnant women of a potential extra risk. Just let them carry on in ignorance, rather than take a cautious approach.

    This guy believes it's important to have facts at hand before frightening pregnant women whom due to the virus are possibly already feeling more stressed.
    As for ignorance do you think pregnancy causes amnesia that they would forget Covid is an issue during pregnancy?
    A report from the Imperial college was linked here earlier, maybe have a read instead of jumping in displaying your own ignorance.


  • #3393
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Ficheall wrote: »
    It did.
    I do apologise to Plumb, and must correct myself. They came over and stood in the driveway with a couple of the guys and talked and drank, and I prematurely assumed they were going to accept the invitation in, but they've headed off now in a taxi. Which is, admittedly, better covidwise, even if not decibelwise. Mea culpa.


  • #3394
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Ficheall wrote: »
    I do apologise to Plumb, and must correct myself. They came over and stood in the driveway with a couple of the guys and talked and drank, and I prematurely assumed they were going to accept the invitation in, but they've headed off now in a taxi. Which is, admittedly, better covidwise, even if not decibelwise. Mea culpa.

    It must be comforting for the young females in the area to know you are keeping an eye on them........ Goodnight.


  • #3395
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,594 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Ficheall wrote: »
    I do apologise to Plumb, and must correct myself. They came over and stood in the driveway with a couple of the guys and talked and drank, and I prematurely assumed they were going to accept the invitation in, but they've headed off now in a taxi. Which is, admittedly, better covidwise, even if not decibelwise. Mea culpa.

    Better than an episode of fair city ;):rolleyes:


  • #3396
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,923 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Me and my mate were joking today about a Covid board game, a bit like the football managers game or battleground games. You are competing nations trying to battle this pandemic. When you throw the dice, you can win a pandemic committee, a CMO, vaccines, open and close cards, flatten the curve cards. Just a mad feckin thought while bored and stoned during lockdown. :)

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



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  • #3397
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,145 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    This guy believes it's important to have facts at hand before frightening pregnant women whom due to the virus are possibly already feeling more stressed.
    As for ignorance do you think pregnancy causes amnesia that they would forget Covid is an issue during pregnancy?
    A report from the Imperial college was linked here earlier, maybe have a read instead of jumping in displaying your own ignorance.

    Because of you wait until there's definitive evidence one way or another it may well be too late for many women. I really do not see the problem with giving people as much information as possible.

    Maybe you should go and ask some pregnant women if they'd rather not know of a potential risk?


  • #3398
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,314 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I thought Glynn was very measured when talking about that issue today.

    It's not his fault if he's asked a question about it by a George Lee, who was about to explode with stress - in other words, about the same as normal.


  • #3399
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,286 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    seenitall wrote: »
    Lol, will you look at that arrogance, you won’t accept it?! :D

    Whether you accept it or not, hospitals have been swarming with it, due to in part the negligence of HCWs. I know because I was there, got the T-shirt and am still angry with the carry-on I saw, almost a year later. You can find my post of 8th April 2020 and read all about it. I’ll summarise for you here, just because your post just there really annoyed me.

    Early April, I went in to a major hospital for an essential work assignment. Never offered any measures or protections, fine. HCWs all around me huddling together without a care in the world, uh. :rolleyes: ok... Informed that a suspected case is in attendance, ok. Then, a nurse comes up to me, no mask, no visor, nothing, and, in order to pass an information?, she comes right up to my face, and breathes all over it! Stunning stuff, and stunned I was. Just did my job like a robot and went home. Three days later, of course, feeling activity in the lymph nodes. Fourth day, wake up with a very sore throat and wiped out, and stay like that for a week. Self-isolate for two weeks. No testing possible, as one has to have two major symptoms to be tested at that point. Were I not so healthy in the first place, it could have been much worse. But HWCs for the win! And never let there be said anything contradicting that! /s

    Sense a bit of a chip here ....

    Nurses weren't even been given PPE by the HSE until late April unless dealing with Covid patients.
    Maybe you should go back to the thread back then , all discussed there .
    No PPE , no mandatory testing , we had to fight for it through the unions . A lot has changed since then


  • #3400
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,286 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Another installment of things that didn't happen.......


    Bit like stories of Two Wives ...;)


  • #3401
    amandstu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭amandstu


    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/04/health/obesity-covid-death-rate-intl/index.html

    Apparently there has been a study that seems to show a 10 fold increase in mortality rates due to covid-19 between countries with a high rate of overweight in comparison to countries with a lower rate.

    Quite an effect.

    Must surely apply to quite a degree within the individual countries too,I'd have thought.


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  • #3402
    SeaMermaid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭SeaMermaid


    The outbreak that lead to 440 cases that was highlighted in the news.

    If it wasn't for the lockdown, these people would be moving about as normal perhaps going to work, or going to restaurants or pubs, or other retail outlets, the point is they would be moving about in communities and more people would be effected. More people would become exposed to the virus and more would get ill.


  • #3403
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Seemingly this guy things is better to not inform pregnant women of a potential extra risk. Just let them carry on in ignorance, rather than take a cautious approach.




    ...so is it only in Ireland that there have been stillbirths, nowhere else in the world ?????
    Really ?? That kinda beggars belief :confused:


  • #3404
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,907 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Do you have any they didn't?

    Feel free to take up with Irish examiner. They are a reputable newspaper. I don't think they got it wrong. on and on we go

    Well in this very recent instance https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40237178.html of a confirmed case of Covid-19 in Cork school "No member of staff or student has been deemed to be a close contact of the confirmed case by the HSE.”

    It at least points to the possibility of inconsistency in what is considered a close contact, either between the case in one school and another school or between schools and other work environments


  • #3405
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭prunudo


    FishOnABike wrote: »
    Well in this very recent instance https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40237178.html of a confirmed case of Covid-19 in Cork school "No member of staff or student has been deemed to be a close contact of the confirmed case by the HSE.”

    It at least points to the possibility of inconsistency in what is considered a close contact, either between the case in one school and another school or between schools and other work environments

    Surely with falling numbers and spare capacity, there is scope is test a whole class. It never ceases to amaze me how the authorities continually put their head in the sand about simple measures to control and track the virus.


  • #3406
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,907 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Just on this.

    A case today was discovered and the whole class was sent home and are to be tested.

    So as I was saying we don't know the facts of each case and the protocol you say in this article has turned out to be wrong.

    They are considering kids and teachers close contacts.
    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Amazing what happens when people figure out the bull****. It's almost as if they reacted to that newspaper article.
    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Have you any evidence the HSE changed their criteria for schools after reading a headline?
    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Do you have any they didn't?

    Feel free to take up with Irish examiner. They are a reputable newspaper. I don't think they got it wrong. on and on we go

    Which newspaper article are you referring to? Link?


  • #3407
    seenitall
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    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Sense a bit of a chip here ....

    Nurses weren't even been given PPE by the HSE until late April unless dealing with Covid patients.
    Maybe you should go back to the thread back then , all discussed there .
    No PPE , no mandatory testing , we had to fight for it through the unions . A lot has changed since then

    Of course I have a chip, and so would you if a hospital nurse breathed all over your face (she was, deliberately, about 20 cm away from me) in the middle of a pandemic of a droplet-borne virus!! I got sick and it could have ended very differently for me! There is no deflecting from that, no matter the PPE story. So now you’ve heard it from someone who experienced it but still trying to deflect and claim it’s all “stories”, I see. Try harder.

    ETA: Btw, they did have some PPE (perhaps not up to covid standards at that point, but surely better than nothing at all) as any ward that has certain procedures carried out on it, has some anyway. I saw it. They just didn’t bother using it when interacting amongst themselves (or with me). It is lax procedures or procedures being observed very loosely and uselessly. When I left there, I can tell you I knew exactly why HCW cases amounted to around 25% of all COVID cases registered at that point!


  • #3408
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,507 ✭✭✭harr


    How is that Sam McConkey lad still getting listened to a full opinion piece in the journal this morning.
    This lad is going to have serious withdrawal symptoms when all this is finished and he slips back into obscurity.
    Sure he must be putting his own professional career in jeopardy with his nonsense .
    He would be the last lad I would want to see if I needed a specialist in his field of expertise.


  • #3409
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    harr wrote: »
    How is that Sam McConkey lad still getting listened to a full opinion piece in the journal this morning.
    This lad is going to have serious withdrawal symptoms when all this is finished and he slips back into obscurity.
    Sure he must be putting his own professional career in jeopardy with his nonsense .
    He would be the last lad I would want to see if I needed a specialist in his field of expertise.

    The time when you’ll never have to hear of from Sam McConkey again is approaching rapidly and Sam McConkey knows this.

    He is a complete joker. And RTE have given him and his joker mates an enormous platform.


  • #3410
    Azatadine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,606 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    harr wrote: »
    How is that Sam McConkey lad still getting listened to a full opinion piece in the journal this morning.
    This lad is going to have serious withdrawal symptoms when all this is finished and he slips back into obscurity.
    Sure he must be putting his own professional career in jeopardy with his nonsense .
    He would be the last lad I would want to see if I needed a specialist in his field of expertise.

    What's he saying this time? Variants? Vaccines won't work? All going to die?

    He surely must be starting to realise, along with the other three horsemen of the apocalypse (Staines, Ryan and Killeen), that they are becoming a laughing stock at this stage. Scientists who don't believe science no less....


  • #3411
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,507 ✭✭✭harr


    Azatadine wrote: »
    What's he saying this time? Variants? Vaccines won't work? All going to die?

    He surely must be starting to realise, along with the other three horsemen of the apocalypse (Staines, Ryan and Killeen), that they are becoming a laughing stock at this stage. Scientists who don't believe science no less....

    Ohh he has a full list in the journal of what we need to do going forward.. a quick mention of zero covid again well it’s now what he is calling “ a near zero covid “ island.


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  • #3412
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    prunudo wrote: »
    Surely with falling numbers and spare capacity, there is scope is test a whole class. It never ceases to amaze me how the authorities continually put their head in the sand about simple measures to control and track the virus.
    Public health teams make the call, usually with some good level of expertise despite what the internet thinks.


  • #3413
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Yeah I've been all for having a go a NPHET lately if they're coming across as unreasonable but I heard Glynn yesterday and it's not like he was trying to hype this up. He said repeatedly that it's unconfirmed and still under investigation.

    Yet they are included in the deaths?


  • #3414
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »
    Yet they are included in the deaths?
    At most they would be probable or possible deaths which may be denotified in time. He mentioned there was an investigation into them. Far better to hear it from him now than have a media panic in two weeks.


  • #3415
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    is_that_so wrote: »
    At most they would be probable or possible deaths which may be denotified in time. He mentioned there was an investigation into them. Far better to hear it from him now than have a media panic in two weeks.

    The age range of death is now 0 to 96, they are being included in deaths.


  • #3416
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »
    The age range of death is now 0 to 96, they are being included in deaths.
    Yeah, as a matter of procedure but deaths are regularly denotified. These cases are under investigation.


  • #3417
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Arghus wrote: »
    I thought Glynn was very measured when talking about that issue today.

    It's not his fault if he's asked a question about it by a George Lee, who was about to explode with stress - in other words, about the same as normal.

    It's very easy for some to react to anything negative as 'unnecessary scaremongering' when they themselves just don't want to hear it. Funnily enough, it's usually from the same cohort that religiously watch RTE, while complaining about what a sham it is, while telling others "if they're scared they should stay home"


  • #3418
    ginoginelli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    It's very easy for some to react to anything negative as 'unnecessary scaremongering' when they themselves just don't want to hear it. Funnily enough, it's usually from the same cohort that religiously watch RTE, while complaining about what a sham it is, while telling others "if they're scared they should stay home"

    Bang on.

    Its ironic really. The same cohort talk about 'hiding under the bed' and indulging in 'misery porn' when they are really just reflecting their own disillusionment and fear.

    Sad people.


  • #3419
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭prunudo


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Public health teams make the call, usually with some good level of expertise despite what the internet thinks.

    Ah I know, and they have access to more data, but in a classroom setting, where there is a confirmed case, why not send 30 people for testing. As I said in my earlier post, there is capacity there so why not try and pick up any other cases. I do wonder is there any element of not wanting to draw attention to the possibility of spread in schools, rather just wash their hands of it and blame it on the community.
    But as you say, they're the experts, I'm just someone on the internet so what would I know.


  • #3420
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Was it not a bit irresponsible from NPHET to say Covid could be an issue in some stillbirths? Could they have waited for this study to be released..

    https://twitter.com/riochtconor2/status/1367760675280465921?s=21


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  • #3421
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Was it not a bit irresponsible from NPHET to say Covid could be an issue in some stillbirths? Could they have waited for this study to be released..

    https://twitter.com/riochtconor2/status/1367760675280465921?s=21

    To be fair to them, its the media pushing this and not nphet. Glynn neither dismissed or confirmed it and actually tried to quell the fear.


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