Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

Jinglejangle69

caveat emptor wrote: »

Amazing what happens when people figure out the bull****. It's almost as if they reacted to that newspaper article.

Have you any evidence the HSE changed their criteria for schools after reading a headline?

caveat emptor

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Have you any evidence the HSE changed their criteria for schools after reading a headline?

Do you have any they didn't?

Feel free to take up with Irish examiner. They are a reputable newspaper. I don't think they got it wrong. on and on we go

Amirani

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So a study of 4000 women that finds no link is somehow not to be taken seriously, whereas anecdotal evidence of 4 suspected cases is as suggested by the non hysterical George Lee and calm Dr Glynn is accepted?

You don't seem to understand how science works.

A study finding no-link between something merely means they don't reject the null-hypothesis (of no link). It doesn't become established fact and hasn't been proven to be true.

Plumbthedepths

Amirani wrote: »

You don't seem to understand how science works.

I understand that when making an announcement it's best to back it up with fact particularly when said announcement can cause undue stress and worry.
Although I prefer science rather than anecdotal evidence caveated by the words may,suspect, think etc

seamus

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

'they should still be trying to avoid it' Good advice because I'm sure up till you said it pregnant women didn't know contracting the virus wasn't a good thing.
Christ.

Didn't see the whole briefing, but judging by the clip, it sounds like Glynn was answering a question about these four stillbirths with potential links. He can't lie, so he's said there are some reports, but so far that's it.

He's very much downplaying it, it's the media who are trying to make it a headline. Someone asked the question precisely because they knew they could make a headline about stillbirths out of the answer.

Plumbthedepths

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I understand that when making an announcement it's best to back it up with fact particularly when said announcement can cause undue stress and worry.
Although I prefer science rather than anecdotal evidence caveated by the words may,suspect, think etc

Edit
Thanks for the edit after I replied

Plumbthedepths

seamus wrote: »

Did see the whole briefing, but judging by the clip, it sounds like Glynn was answering a question about these four stillbirths with potential links. He can't lie, so he's said there are some reports, but so far that's it.

He's very much downplaying it, it's the media who are trying to make it a headline. Someone asked the question precisely because they knew they could make a headline about stillbirths out of the answer.

Yes colour me surprised that the question came from Lee. Wonder who prompted him?

Goldengirl

normanoffside wrote: »

NPHET basically write the RTE news and these are the stories they want to be published.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1367551657840685063

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1367541421750841350

Wtf!
Some of ye should just ..switch off the news and the briefings if you don't want to know !

There have been four mothers who have lost their babies due to infection from a preventable virus.
Placentitis and amniotic infections can cause miscarriage and still birth from other severe infections .
As it happens these were caused by Covid , or coincided with maternal Covid infection .
Why would pregnant women all over the country not want to know this ?

And as for the students in NUIG , it shows how fast this virus can spread, no harm to show it in graphic form .
Her question about deaths could very well be answered " no deaths yet" as some of those infections seeded into vulnerable people .
This commentary is beyond ridiculous and beneath you

caveat emptor

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Edit
Thanks for the edit after I replied

I seem to remember you making a big deal of the fact I replied to my own post as some sort of smoking gun that I have multiple accounts..........

Are you talking to yourself? I doubt I'll get 20 likes like you did

Goldengirl

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Didn't poster StephenJMCD say on here this week that mass testing in a major Irish hospital garnered just 4 positive cases?

I thought Covid in Irish hospitals was under control now. There's some tests I've been putting off, but I can't for too much longer

Golden Girl?

That is true .
As long as you haven't been at any student house or cemetery parties recently ?

Goldengirl

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Just on this.

A case today was discovered and the whole class was sent home and are to be tested.

So as I was saying we don't know the facts of each case and the protocol you say in this article has turned out to be wrong.

They are considering kids and teachers close contacts.

Think this time round they are being more cautious because of the prevalence of the more transmissible variant .
Nolan even talking about " difficulty interpreting data " re cases among younger children.

Timmy O Toole

With numbers getting low again its a matter of time before "suspected cases" come back in the headlines

Maestro85

I find it strange that there are no "news" reports on the new variants. It seems like the pressure to open up is having an effect as it did at Christmas. I am praying we don't have an aftershock as we did due to Christmas meetups. Looking at the domestic tourism markets for this year shows July/August being the most booked out months for tourism.

mohawk

Goldengirl wrote: »

Wtf!
Some of ye should just ..switch off the news and the briefings if you don't want to know !

There have been four mothers who have lost their babies due to infection from a preventable virus.
Placentitis and amniotic infections can cause miscarriage and still birth from other severe infections .
As it happens these were caused by Covid .
Why would pregnant women all over the country not want to know this ?

I can find one research paper referring to Covid Placentitis. It’s an Irish research paper. Generally it is considered unwise to draw conclusions from a case study. Now many over next few weeks and months we will start seeing similar cases being reported from all over the world. Then we will have more concrete evidence that Covid is causing Still births.

suicide_circus

Goldengirl wrote: »

There have been four mothers who have lost their babies due to infection from a preventable virus.

Watching the news here and this has not been confirmed.

Plumbthedepths

Maestro85 wrote: »

I find it strange that there are no "news" reports on the new variants. It seems like the pressure to open up is having an effect as it did at Christmas. I am praying we don't have an aftershock as we did due to Christmas meetups. Looking at the domestic tourism markets for this year shows July/August being the most booked out months for tourism.

Genuine question but do you know is there any difference in behaviour in winter versus behaviour in summer regarding socialising?
People have booked trips away assuming they will be allowed to do so, what will be open to entertain them is another matter.

caveat emptor

mohawk wrote: »

I can find one research paper referring to Covid Placentitis. It’s an Irish research paper. Generally it is considered unwise to draw conclusions from a case study. Now many over next few weeks and months we will start seeing similar cases being reported from all over the world. Then we will have more concrete evidence that Covid is causing Still births.

The advice has been fairly clear that the risk is extremely low to this kind of thing. There is nothing to say this has changed. 4 cases of something yet unexplained is still very small relative to amount of other births.

I'd say wait and see and no reason to panic.

equally I wouldn't dismiss what a coroner is saying but even if true may be extremely rare.

Maestro85

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Genuine question but do you know is there any difference in behaviour in winter versus behaviour in summer regarding socialising?
People have booked trips away assuming they will be allowed to do so, what will be open to entertain them is another matter.

I don't mean for this to sound flippant but it's outside my area of expertise. It may have no effect, I am just surprised the media is on its usual news grind about this stuff.

Plumbthedepths

Maestro85 wrote: »

I don't mean for this to sound flippant but it's outside my area of expertise. It may have no effect, I am just surprised the media is on its usual news grind about this stuff.

In winter time due to weather, normally wet and cold people tend to meet up inside. Due to the cold etc windows normally closed. Whereas in summer mild to good weather people spend more time outside meeting others and even when inside windows tend to be open.
At Christmas people were given 3 weeks to meet friends and family , many were responsible although equally many weren't. Hopefully government and Nphet will realise come summer giving people a short window to socialise with friends/ family was a f**king disaster. Lastly I expect come July/August we will be significantly down the road of vaccination with some hope of normal life on the near horizon.
Don't worry though the media will find something to scare the sh!te out of people with. Some prime examples mentioned here today.

CIARAN_BOYLE

caveat emptor wrote: »

The advice has been fairly clear that the risk is extremely low to this kind of thing. There is nothing to say this has changed. 4 cases of something yet unexplained is still very small relative to amount of other births.

I'd say wait and see and no reason to panic.

equally I wouldn't dismiss what a coroner is saying but even if true may be extremely rare.

I might be accused of scaremongering here but I'm not a medical expert. If someone is pregnant and gets an illness they should consider checking in with their obstetrician.

Id say the same about if someone has covid. Check in with your specialist. You don't have to rush to do it but mention it at an appointment and ask them if there's a risk you should be concerned about.

Goldengirl

suicide_circus wrote: »

Watching the news here and this has not been confirmed.

Placentitis was the cause .
My post contains more than one line which you took out if context , but glad you watched the news anyway .
Better to know about a risk and be aware that there is one so you know what to watch out for .
Think everyone has stated it is rare , but if people didn't find out there might be even the smallest risk until it was too late , can you imagine the outcry ?
My sympathies are not with the poor posters here who are getting distressed over George Lee and Glynn and the students in NUIG , but those four women tonight .

seenitall

Goldengirl wrote: »

Yes but the implication is in that post was all HCW infection which is astoundingly stupid.
As a HCW I will not accept FB like posts and anecdotes that undermine all the good work done in our hospitals.
Every effort is made to prevent transmission but it was very difficult to prevent when community transmission was so high.
Anywhere you get breakouts one of the questions people should be asking is could this be prevented by reducing those infected in the first place.
Impossible in a hospital environment.

Lol, will you look at that arrogance, you won’t accept it?!

Whether you accept it or not, hospitals have been swarming with it, due to in part the negligence of HCWs. I know because I was there, got the T-shirt and am still angry with the carry-on I saw, almost a year later. You can find my post of 8th April 2020 and read all about it. I’ll summarise for you here, just because your post just there really annoyed me.

Early April, I went in to a major hospital for an essential work assignment. Never offered any measures or protections, fine. HCWs all around me huddling together without a care in the world, uh. :rolleyes: ok... Informed that a suspected case is in attendance, ok. Then, a nurse comes up to me, no mask, no visor, nothing, and, in order to pass an information?, she comes right up to my face, and breathes all over it! Stunning stuff, and stunned I was. Just did my job like a robot and went home. Three days later, of course, feeling activity in the lymph nodes. Fourth day, wake up with a very sore throat and wiped out, and stay like that for a week. Self-isolate for two weeks. No testing possible, as one has to have two major symptoms to be tested at that point. Were I not so healthy in the first place, it could have been much worse. But HWCs for the win! And never let there be said anything contradicting that! /s

Goldengirl

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I might be accused of scaremongering here but I'm not a medical expert. If someone is pregnant and gets an illness they should consider checking in with their obstetrician.

Id say the same about if someone has covid. Check in with your specialist. You don't have to rush to do it but mention it at an appointment and ask them if there's a risk you should be concerned about.

Agree with all except if Covid positive or if suspected should let obstetrician know.
It is a virus causing inflammation which can cause clots or haemorrhagic conditions .
Any infection in pregnancy needs to be treated / monitored straight away.

caveat emptor

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I might be accused of scaremongering here but I'm not a medical expert. If someone is pregnant and gets an illness they should consider checking in with their obstetrician.

Id say the same about if someone has covid. Check in with your specialist. You don't have to rush to do it but mention it at an appointment and ask them if there's a risk you should be concerned about.

Sorry to be clear.

The wait and see was in reference to any report.

Absolutely check in. Very little cost doing that even if nothing 👍

wadacrack

Very bad numbers in Brazil.

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1367593226266234887

Ten of Swords

Nermal wrote: »

NPHET don't have 'suspicions', they have four partial anecdotes.

Using them to frighten the public - in the face of mountains of actual data suggesting pregnant women don't have anything to worry about - is reprehensible.

You can post that in the Conspiracy theory forum

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576

Jinglejangle69

https://www.buzz.ie/news/dublin-airport-record-10-increase-in-the-number-of-passengers-arriving-last-week-420628

Between February 22 and 28, 11,067 people arrived in the country -

"Of those arriving home, a report has shown the majority of them were returning home from a holiday abroad"

Us plebs sticking to the rules really are being laughed at....

Jinglejangle69

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

https://www.buzz.ie/news/dublin-airport-record-10-increase-in-the-number-of-passengers-arriving-last-week-420628

Between February 22 and 28, 11,067 people arrived in the country -

"Of those arriving home, a report has shown the majority of them were returning home from a holiday abroad"

Us plebs sticking to the rules really are being laughed at....

Mandatory hotel quarantine, wha? One cannot travel more than 5km without a legitimate reason, meanwhile holidaymakers fly thousands of kilometers. Risking introduction of stubborn new variants that are difficult to shift and prolonging lockdown. Chapeau Donnelly, bravo Leo and applause for Michéal. Nodding donkeys one and all.

caveat emptor

Yeah I hope the quarantined and if they didn't they should be punished to high fukc. It's that serious at this stage.

TheDoctor

Hospital numbers at 8pm

Total 427 (down from 472 last night)
ICU 103 (down from 108 last night)

Last Thursday
Total 585
ICU 140