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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #3362
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    That's some change in hospital figures

    Fantastic to see




    6 counties down from 382 Covid to 257 in the week.

    Still quite a few pro rate.



    I hope the staff there get a few days off.


  • #3363
    Natterjack from Kerry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Natterjack from Kerry


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Don't worry,the goal posts will be shifted with regards that metric,they will be really concerned about some variant,the amount of traffic on roads or the high volume of ATM transactions in Carrick On Shannon

    Seriously though, are we not coming to a period of highest risk now as vaccinations increase ?

    Surely the most dangerous period - for those not vaccinated - is now imminent.

    Maybe I am missing something, but should this not be the year of highest restrictions of all ? No travel, no holidays, no restaurants, etc ? At ALL.

    As the numbers of vaccinated increase, we will lose a strong natural restraint on spread of the virus : people being noticeably sick. And so more people will be circulating, dropping their habits of the last year, some either unwittingly thinking they are no danger to the unvaccinated, others, confident that they are safe from serious illness, not caring. So the chance of being infected with the virus will increase dramatically through this year. No great problem if you are vaccinated. But a dramatically more dangerous time for anyone who is not.

    (Cyprus saying OK to travel from Britain this summer if you are fully vaccinated - how the hell does that protect anyone in Cyprus, or travelling with them who isnt vaccinated???)


    Should 2021 not be a 9 month complete shutdown like last April until everyone is vaccinated ?


  • #3364
    Batattackrat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭Batattackrat


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    Seriously though, are we not coming to a period of highest risk now as vaccinations increase ?

    Surely the most dangerous period - for those not vaccinated - is now imminent.

    Maybe I am missing something, but should this not be the year of highest restrictions of all ? No travel, no holidays, no restaurants, etc ? At ALL.

    As the numbers of vaccinated increase, we will lose a strong natural restraint on spread of the virus : people being noticeably sick. And so more people will be circulating, dropping their habits of the last year, some either unwittingly thinking they are no danger to the unvaccinated, others, confident that they are safe from serious illness, not caring. So the chance of being infected with the virus will increase dramatically through this year. No great problem if you are vaccinated. But a dramatically more dangerous time for anyone who is not.

    (Cyprus saying OK to travel from Britain this summer if you are fully vaccinated - how the hell does that protect anyone in Cyprus, or travelling with them who isnt vaccinated???)


    Should 2021 not be a 9 month complete shutdown like last April until everyone is vaccinated ?

    No, as it's generally harmless to people under 70. In the 2017/2018 year 4000 were hospitalised with the flu with 170 in ICU.

    Once the over 70's are vacinated it's time to open up, maybe as far as Level 2 restrictions and see how that goes.


  • #3365
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    9 months of complete shutdown like last April until everyone is vaccinated ....

    Not going to happen lol


  • #3366
    TheDoctor
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    giveitholly wrote: »
    Don't worry,the goal posts will be shifted with regards that metric,they will be really concerned about some variant,the amount of traffic on roads or the high volume of ATM transactions in Carrick On Shannon

    What have you been hearing about ATM transactions in Carrick on Shannon?


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  • #3367
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Batattackrat wrote: »
    No, as it's generally harmless to people under 70. In the 2017/2018 year 4000 were hospitalised with the flu with 170 in ICU.

    Once the over 70's are vacinated it's time to open up.

    Almost 70% of all hospitisations and ICU cases with COVID were under 70. Opening up with just over 70s vaccinated would be most unwise.


  • #3368
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Almost 70% of all hospitisations and ICU cases with COVID were under 70. Opening up with just over 70s vaccinated would be most unwise.

    It won't be a full opening up but all over 70s are meant to be vaccinated by mid may

    That's already 5 months + of level 5 type restrictions

    We're unlikely to even see non essential retail open at that stage

    One thing for sure once 70+ have been vaccinated the pressure to ease restrictions on the rest of society will increase especially as that will really decrease deaths and looking likely transmission in the most vulnerable groups


  • #3369
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,542 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Batattackrat wrote: »
    No, as it's generally harmless to people under 70. In the 2017/2018 year 4000 were hospitalised with the flu with 170 in ICU.

    Once the over 70's are vacinated it's time to open up, maybe as far as Level 2 restrictions and see how that goes.
    Turtwig wrote: »
    Almost 70% of all hospitisations and ICU cases with COVID were under 70. Opening up with just over 70s vaccinated would be most unwise.

    To put it into context: 70% of 12914 = 9039 hospitalized
    70% of 1296 = 907 went to ICU
    I'm not 100% sure on the percentages, but it's up there around 70% over the past 12 months.


  • #3370
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Well, at least the tracking here seems reasonably impressive, even if the 440 cases stemming from one houseparty aren't..
    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0304/1201042-hse-household-outbreaks-coronavirus/


  • #3371
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Well, at least the tracking here seems reasonably impressive, even if the 440 cases stemming from one houseparty aren't..
    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0304/1201042-hse-household-outbreaks-coronavirus/

    This is such nonsense. They can choose any point in the chain of transmission to say X number of cases came from it. Why not the person who gave it to the person who went to the house party? Etc.

    If you're willing to stretch the 'root' of a case that far back, you can apportion blame wherever you want.

    Its all agenda driven.


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  • #3372
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    AdamD wrote: »
    This is such nonsense. They can choose any point in the chain of transmission to say X number of cases came from it. Why not the person who gave it to the person who went to the house party? Etc.

    If you're willing to stretch the 'root' of a case that far back, you can apportion blame wherever you want.

    Its all agenda driven.

    Agenda driven by whom?


  • #3373
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Agenda driven by whom?

    Is it a coincidence we're seeing this report several days after the outdoor student party in UL? Its open season on students, stick the knife in.

    Have you seen any reports tracking cases to this extent after a hospital based cluster? Of course not.


  • #3374
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    AdamD wrote: »
    This is such nonsense. They can choose any point in the chain of transmission to say X number of cases came from it. Why not the person who gave it to the person who went to the house party? Etc.

    If you're willing to stretch the 'root' of a case that far back, you can apportion blame wherever you want.

    Its all agenda driven.

    House party in Wuhan leads to 115 million cases


  • #3375
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    AdamD wrote: »
    Is it a coincidence we're seeing this report several days after the outdoor student party in UL? Its open season on students, stick the knife in.

    Have you seen any reports tracking cases to this extent after a hospital based cluster? Of course not.

    Who is driving the agenda?


  • #3376
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,961 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Agenda driven by whom?

    b16348fcbd4146ed78429b0f8a89e804_250x199.jpg


  • #3377
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    AdamD wrote: »
    Is it a coincidence we're seeing this report several days after the outdoor student party in UL? Its open season on students, stick the knife in.

    Have you seen any reports tracking cases to this extent after a hospital based cluster? Of course not.
    The airport's are supposedly dealt with it was only a matter of time before another scapegoat had to be found. Deflection more than agenda to take away from the failings of government and its agencies.


  • #3378
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Who is driving the agenda?

    RTE. They have shown a clear penchant for fearmongering and an overwhelmingly negative bias in their reporting on COVID since at least the middle of last summer.


  • #3379
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    b16348fcbd4146ed78429b0f8a89e804_250x199.jpg

    Which one is George Lee?


  • #3380
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,595 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Which one is George Lee?

    The one at the back with his badge obscured so he can change his rhetoric when he gets bored.


  • #3381
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    The one at the back with his badge obscured so he can change his rhetoric when he gets bored.

    He lost weight, looks good.


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  • #3382
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Group of girls wandering along the main road chatting loudly just now, neighbouring house of guys just yelled out at them to come in for a drink, and they did!


    I'm sure a lot of students are suffering quietly through the pandemic, but some of them just don't give a f*ck, and are having a great time of it - don't have to go to class, exams even more difficult to fail than usual, free PUP money, and very difficult for landlords to inspect houses or evict anyone..


  • #3383
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,595 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Group of girls wandering along the main road chatting loudly just now, neighbouring house of guys just yelled out at them to come in for a drink, and they did!


    I'm sure a lot of students are suffering quietly through the pandemic, but some of them just don't give a f*ck, and are having a great time of it - don't have to go to class, exams even more difficult to fail than usual, free PUP money, and very difficult for landlords to inspect houses or evict anyone..

    Were you not invited?


  • #3384
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Group of girls wandering along the main road chatting loudly just now, neighbouring house of guys just yelled out at them to come in for a drink, and they did!


    I'm sure a lot of students are suffering quietly through the pandemic, but some of them just don't give a f*ck, and are having a great time of it - don't have to go to class, exams even more difficult to fail than usual, free PUP money, and very difficult for landlords to inspect houses or evict anyone..

    Another installment of things that didn't happen.......


  • #3385
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    Were you not invited?
    I was not :(


  • #3386
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Another installment of things that didn't happen.......
    It did. But I'll take it from your assertion that it didn't, rather than defending it, that you agree it's indicative of at least some student behaviour being problematic.


  • #3387
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Ficheall wrote: »
    It did. But I'll take it from your assertion that it didn't, rather than defending it, that you agree it's indicative of at least some student behaviour being problematic.

    I won't defend something I 100% believe didn't happen.
    You can find behaviour that you find problematic everywhere, I 'm curious how will the people that find so much fault with the actions of others ever find the ability to get back to the normal they were familiar with prior to March 2020. For many I don't believe it will be possible.


  • #3388
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Loud students next door/nearby have been an issue since well before 2020 and I presume they will be long after. Doesn't bother me that much since I'm largely nocturnal anyway.
    Part of me will presumably still be relieved/jealous at not being invited in in varying measure.


  • #3389
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,314 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Another installment of things that didn't happen.......

    C'mon, it's not that crazy of a thing to have happened is it?

    I live close to a University myself and while things are in general very quiet, you'll reliably hear some partying going nearby every night.


  • #3390
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Mandatory hotel quarantine, wha? One cannot travel more than 5km without a legitimate reason, meanwhile holidaymakers fly thousands of kilometers. Risking introduction of stubborn new variants that are difficult to shift and prolonging lockdown. Chapeau Donnelly, bravo Leo and applause for Michéal. Nodding donkeys one and all.

    All with Sneaky, Leaky and Sleepy at the wheel.


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  • #3391
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,145 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    fits wrote: »
    So you don’t think they should report four cases of stillbirth caused by inflamed placentas among covid positive women in recent weeks?

    Seemingly this guy things is better to not inform pregnant women of a potential extra risk. Just let them carry on in ignorance, rather than take a cautious approach.


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