Formula 1 2021 - General Discussion Thread (Read 1st post rules)

TCP/IP · 03-03-2021 04:50PM

I think it looks good looking forward to seeing Seb5

vectra · 03-03-2021 04:50PM

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

Underwhelming a bit. You can see the pink was a rush job, the neon green above is much better.

Having said that, it has parts from the 2020 Merc so it should be fairly quick. I think they have copied over the rear suspension.

I thought it looked nice to be fair,
The rear suspension was brought over from last years merc. This was already announced.

eviltimeban · 03-03-2021 06:03PM

I think the AM looks cool. I might cheer a bit for Seb this year. Alonso's my main man though. Max and Sainz bringing up the rear.

Adamocovic · 04-03-2021 03:44AM

Sorry if posted already but it’s nice seeing the lighthearted Seb again, and he sounds motivated.

You could tell he wasn’t enjoying life with Ferrari towards the end and he’s been very upfront about it not being the success he wanted.

Would love to see him competing at the top again but who knows until they get out there.

Regardless of people’s opinions of him he’s going down as one of the most memorable and successful drivers and it was tough seeing his slump. Would absolutely love to see him back in the mix.

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Also green suits him!

flazio · 04-03-2021 07:57AM

I have to say, the Mercedes-Benz launch was the most interesting so far. I presume whoever hired the Channel 4 production team to orchestrate the TV programme won't be back next year. All the other launches had people like Natalie Pinkham, Lee McKenzie and Bond girl Gemma Arterton asking the usual generic questions, "Are you excited?, what are you hoping for this year etc"
Steve Jones pretty much acting as the C4 anchor "Toto, what are you going to do at the end of the year with no drivers, Lewis Why just the one year?"

SureYWouldntYa · 04-03-2021 08:22AM

People wont believe you when you say Haas is an American team looking at that car

pjohnson · 04-03-2021 08:26AM

OSI wrote: »

I wonder where Haas’ money is coming from this year.... ðŸ‡·ðŸ‡ºðŸ‡·ðŸ‡ºðŸ‡·ðŸ‡º

https://twitter.com/haasf1team/status/1367386180388593664?s=21

Daddy Mazepin REALLY had to quadruple down to get his son to the grid.

Jaysus.

Jordan 199 · 04-03-2021 08:28AM

Haas inc feat. from Russia with love.

jv2000 · 04-03-2021 09:04AM

Well at least it isn't Rich Energy branded.....

04-03-2021 09:20AM

Last year's floor still on the Haas.

The first rule I'd like to see changed would be to get rid of the stupid floors. Not sure how it could be worded but unless there's (non-aero) bodywork above then no flat floor allowed. It would decimate the amount of downforce while making the cars looks much better instead of a large flat black surface making the cars look like they were cut out.

Rattlehead_ie · 04-03-2021 09:25AM

Didnt I see somewhere that Haas have already stopped developing the 2021 car and are on the 2022 solely already?

AMKC · 04-03-2021 09:33AM

OSI wrote: »

I wonder where Haas’ money is coming from this year.... ��

https://twitter.com/haasf1team/status/1367386180388593664?s=21

A lot of people not happy with that colour scheme. They are saying it is basically the Russian flag. Not sure how true that is but it does look a bit like that alright. I think it's terrible dull and lacks imagination which is a pity as I thought Haas were all about that.

Pen Rua · 04-03-2021 09:54AM

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The front wing is a Russian flag. The order of the colours on the body is the same as the Russian flag.

Mazepin can't race under the Russian flag this year due to the doping scandal, but the country's colours can be used and they've taken the mickey with it. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/mazepin-set-to-race-in-f1-under-neutral-flag-after-cas-ruling-5367598/5367598/

Can't race under the flag? Make the car look like it.

Rattlehead_ie · 04-03-2021 09:59AM

Pen Rua wrote: »

Can't race under the flag? Make the car look like it.

Maybe not under the flag, but they never said you cant race IN the flag

Pen Rua · 04-03-2021 10:00AM

https://twitter.com/BrandonSeaber/status/1367397875186081799

I feel for the designer. He designed a nice livery, but just given the context and background, I can't get behind it. He had a spec to work to, and he did. If the colours were different, or more American / less Russian, it would be better.

Pen Rua · 04-03-2021 10:11AM

Uralkali's corporate colours aren't even close to the Russian flag - they're red & green.

The livery is blatantly a way to skirt the prohibition on Mazepin running under a Russian flag.

recyclebin · 04-03-2021 10:11AM

If that team is still called Haas next season I'd be very surprised. Its Russia written all over it.!

ELM327 · 04-03-2021 10:12AM

Daddy Mazepin probably buys it next year tbh.

Charlie-Bravo · 04-03-2021 10:24AM

Sorry, I missed why Marzipan [sic] can't run under the Russian flag...what doping scandal was that?

Pen Rua · 04-03-2021 10:27AM

Charlie-Bravo wrote: »

Sorry, I missed why Marzipan [sic] can't run under the Russian flag...what doping scandal was that?

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/mazepin-set-to-race-in-f1-under-neutral-flag-after-cas-ruling-5367598/5367598/

The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) announced in December that it had upheld a ban on Russia from competing at world championship sporting events, relating to state-sponsored doping and cover-ups at the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi.

CAS confirmed that it had cut the four-year ban proposed by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) to two years, meaning there will be no dedicated Russian team at the upcoming Olympic Games or the next FIFA World Cup in 2022.

The Russian Automobile Federation has now announced that it received clarifications from the FIA concerning the CAS ruling this week, confirming it would impact drivers competing in world championship series.

It means that Mazepin, who will make his F1 debut this year with Haas after stepping up from F2, will be forbidden from racing under the Russian flag for the next two seasons.

Russian drivers in all of the FIA's world championships - including Formula E, WRC, WEC and WRX - will also be prohibited from using national emblems, flags or symbols, as well as the word "Russia" or "Russian".

Drivers will be permitted to call themselves a "neutral athlete from Russia" or be listed as "Russia. Neutral athlete", and use the word "Russia" on any clothing so long as it is given equal prominence to "neutral athlete".

They may also use the acronym RAF, which stands for 'Russian Automobile Federation', and they can still use the colours of the Russian flag.

The decision also forbids the playing of the Russian national anthem at FIA events, meaning it will not be played ahead of the grand prix in Sochi, nor for any Russian victory during the podium ceremony.

Spectators will still be permitted to bring Russian flags into official FIA competitions, while Russian officials are also still permitted to attend sporting events. President Vladimir Putin was a regular guest at the F1 race in Sochi when it was added to the calendar in 2014.

It would appear that Ferrari junior driver Robert Shwartzman will be permitted to still race under the Russian flag in Formula 2 as it is not an FIA world championship, putting it outside of the CAS ruling.

The CAS decision is valid from the initial ruling date, and lasts two years until 16 December 2022.

eviltimeban · 04-03-2021 10:41AM

They'll be at the back of the field anyway, so the only time we'll see it is when one of them is pulling up to the end of the grid before the start, or when they're being lapped.

pjohnson · 04-03-2021 10:43AM

ELM327 wrote: »

Daddy Mazepin probably buys it next year tbh.

I think most were already expecting that. I can see it happening sooner a la Midland/Spyker in 06/07.

Spyker at least waited until midseason when they owned the team to put their livery on the car.

flazio · 04-03-2021 11:28AM

Pen Rua wrote: »

Uralkali's corporate colours aren't even close to the Russian flag - they're red & green.

The livery is blatantly a way to skirt the prohibition on Mazepin running under a Russian flag.

Didn't they attack Helms Deep under Sarumans White Hand in The Two Towers?

Anyway geeky tendency aside, this could have a knock on effect on Genes other teams couldn’t it? I can't imagine any NASCAR sponsor would want to work with a man who puts a "commie" flag on his F1 team.

recyclebin · 04-03-2021 11:28AM

I wish people would stop referring to Daddy Stroll and Daddy Mazepin. It's a bit condescending and tiresome. Strolls wealth looks to be legitimate, not so sure about Mazepin though, not that F1 really cares about ethics too much when money comes calling.

Pen Rua · 04-03-2021 11:38AM

flazio wrote: »

Didn't they attack Helms Deep under Sarumans White Hand in The Two Towers?

Anyway geeky tendency aside, this could have a knock on effect on Genes other teams couldn’t it? I can't imagine any NASCAR sponsor would want to work with a man who puts a "commie" flag on his F1 team.

Gene Haas was accused of filing false tax returns, witness intimidation, and conspiracy and took a felony conviction from it, spending 16 months in prison.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Haas#Criminal_tax_evasion

He seems to be doing alright with that on his back, never mind the Russian involvement.

ELM327 · 04-03-2021 11:59AM

recyclebin wrote: »

I wish people would stop referring to Daddy Stroll and Daddy Mazepin. It's a bit condescending and tiresome. Strolls wealth looks to be legitimate, not so sure about Mazepin though, not that F1 really cares about ethics too much when money comes calling.

I do it to be condescending. I find it tiresome that money overrides ability and sometimes character issues. There are drivers out of the sport that should be in it except their seats are taken by wallets.

barryribs · 04-03-2021 12:21PM

ELM327 wrote: »

I do it to be condescending. I find it tiresome that money overrides ability and sometimes character issues. There are drivers out of the sport that should be in it except their seats are taken by wallets.

F1 has always been like this, its nothing new. People use that as a stick to beat Stroll with, while Perez was forced out of the team. The same Perez who only got a seat through his Telmex sponsorship. Whats the difference between being funded by your father and being funded by a sponsor?

quokula · 04-03-2021 12:25PM

barryribs wrote: »

F1 has always been like this, its nothing new. People use that as a stick to beat Stroll with, while Perez was forced out of the team. The same Perez who only got a seat through his Telmex sponsorship. Whats the difference between being funded by your father and being funded by a sponsor?

The difference is that a sponsor chooses to sponsor someone based on the potential they showed coming through the ranks, and there's nothing stopping them switching sponsorship to another driver if they think they have more potential.

Obviously other factors like nationality, media profile etc play into it. But assuming Telmex's criteria were that it was a Mexican, that's still over 120 million people Perex had to compete with to earn that sponsorship. I don't know how many sons Lawrence Stroll had to choose from to put in his F1 team but it's definitely at least 119 million fewer than that.

barryribs · 04-03-2021 12:42PM

quokula wrote: »

The difference is that a sponsor chooses to sponsor someone based on the potential they showed coming through the ranks, and there's nothing stopping them switching sponsorship to another driver if they think they have more potential.

Obviously other factors like nationality, media profile etc play into it. But assuming Telmex's criteria were that it was a Mexican, that's still over 120 million people Perex had to compete with to earn that sponsorship. I don't know how many sons Lawrence Stroll had to choose from to put in his F1 team but it's definitely at least 119 million fewer than that.

How many sons does Jos Verstappen have? Schumacher, Lauda, Diniz, and Alonso all have something in common. The money gets you to the table and it's down to talent/luck from there, the best drivers will almost always survive and the rest will drive till the money runs out.

Some people start with more advantages than others in every walk of life. At this point its almost a requirement to get into a seat.

flazio · 04-03-2021 12:43PM

None the less, I reckon there's some scrambling going on behind the scenes to make sure that Mother Haassia livery doesn't make it to Bahrain.

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