COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

darem93 · 03-03-2021 04:01PM

eigrod wrote: »

More stories on Liveline today of people 85+ not yet having their vaccine and getting calls this morning to cancel appointments as the GPs didn’t get their promised allocation. Very disappointing.

This really is so disheartening to see. It's crazy that up North people in their 60s are booking appointments online while our most vulnerable and elderly are having theirs cancelled.

Pablo Escobar · 03-03-2021 04:02PM

fawlty682 wrote: »

Only 700k more in March so. So far you couldn’t have confidence in a system which tells GPs vaccineswill be delivered on Thursday and then they don’t arrive. We need vaccine figures at least every Friday evening as well as the deaths and cases.

We get vaccine figures every day!

mean gene · 03-03-2021 04:04PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Already open

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40234868.html

Closed on Sundays no rush

hynesie08 · 03-03-2021 04:07PM

mean gene wrote: »

Closed on Sundays no rush

Where you seeing that?

It will be used again for the next three weekends for this age group, before operating as a hub for GPs to administer vaccines to their patients aged 70 and over for the following weekends.

They will vaccinate an expected 2,500 people aged 70 and over by appointment over the coming weekends.

FlubberJones · 03-03-2021 04:10PM

I usually avoid this board as it depresses me how poor the country is managing the vaccine rollout... read a few posts, depressed.

funnydoggy · 03-03-2021 04:14PM

FlubberJones wrote: »

I usually avoid this board as it depresses me how poor the country is managing the vaccine rollout... read a few posts, depressed.

How long have you been away? 'Cos we're flying it in general and the news has been non-stop positive for at least 2 weeks now.

FileNotFound · 03-03-2021 04:15PM

I have heard a major issue with the initial rollout was people in nursing home settings initially refusing the jabs, but once they saw no ill effects on those that had received they changed their minds.

This meant redeploy of staff resources and vaccine to areas that should have been covered already, just to cover the eejits.

This by nature of resources is having a very chaotic effect on other parts of the rollout.

Still does not excuse the piss poor rollout happening here, but i wonder how many other silly things are having big impacts? Should have kept the HSE out of it, always a mess when they are involved...

ixoy · 03-03-2021 04:16PM

stefanovich wrote: »

Well we do know that the US and USA spent more, bought surplus and were prioritised. No one can claim the EU didn't mess up.

We know the UK hedged a bet on Oxford doing particularly well, which panned out. The EU took a more conservative bet, which didn't pay out to the same degree. They should have wagered more on each bet but the strategy was sound enough, just the purse strings could have been emptied more.

Flubberjones wrote:

I usually avoid this board as it depresses me how poor the country is managing the vaccine rollout

FileNotFound wrote:

Still does not excuse the piss poor rollout happening here, but i wonder how many other silly things are having big impacts? Should have kept the HSE out of it, always a mess when they are involved...

By most metrics, we're not managing it poorly at all with the supply we have. In fact the rollout is good at both an EU and global level.

FlubberJones · 03-03-2021 04:16PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

How long have you been away? 'Cos we're flying it in general and the news has been non-stop positive for at least 2 weeks now.

Please enlighten me, as I see terms like "piss poor rollout" being used.

quokula · 03-03-2021 04:17PM

FlubberJones wrote: »

I usually avoid this board as it depresses me how poor the country is managing the vaccine rollout... read a few posts, depressed.

Ireland is achieving one of the highest vaccine rates in Europe and the world for that matter. We only compare poorly with the UK because they're a massive outlier, but then they're also a massive outlier with their 120,000 dead and counting, so it's understandable they threw unlimited funds at the vaccine providers while the EU was a little more reserved while most member nations managed the virus infection levels more competently.

quokula · 03-03-2021 04:18PM

FlubberJones wrote: »

Please enlighten me, as I see terms like "piss poor rollout" being used.

That term is only being used by people who have no idea what they're talking about.

Gael23 · 03-03-2021 04:21PM

FileNotFound wrote: »

I have heard a major issue with the initial rollout was people in nursing home settings initially refusing the jabs, but once they saw no ill effects on those that had received they changed their minds.

This meant redeploy of staff resources and vaccine to areas that should have been covered already, just to cover the eejits.

This by nature of resources is having a very chaotic effect on other parts of the rollout.

Still does not excuse the piss poor rollout happening here, but i wonder how many other silly things are having big impacts? Should have kept the HSE out of it, always a mess when they are involved...

Anything I have heard mentions an almost 100% uptake in nursing homes. There were a few issues with homes that had active Covid outbreaks which vaccination teams could not access or residents in other homes who had either been recently infected or close contacts

FileNotFound · 03-03-2021 04:21PM

quokula wrote: »

That term is only being used by people who have no idea what they're talking about.

I don't mean the actual figures, I mean the communication, planning and execution.

But hey - no doubt you are more of an expert than me.

FileNotFound · 03-03-2021 04:22PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Anything I have heard mentions an almost 100% uptake in nursing homes. There were a few issues with homes that had active Covid outbreaks which vaccination teams could not access or residents in other homes who had either been recently infected or close contacts

Guess we heard very different, I trust my sources. They tend to know what they are on about.

Kind of supports the point that we don't really know how many complications exist in the background. (that was more what i was aiming for)

D.Q · 03-03-2021 04:24PM

FileNotFound wrote: »

Guess we heard very different, I trust my sources. They tend to know what they are on about.

Hahaha the state of this.

iamwhoiam · 03-03-2021 04:24PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Anything I have heard mentions an almost 100% uptake in nursing homes. There were a few issues with homes that had active Covid outbreaks which vaccination teams could not access or residents in other homes who had either been recently infected or close contacts

Me too . I know quite a few working in care homes and they had almost 100% uptake

fawlty682 · 03-03-2021 04:27PM

Vaccine figures are not announced like cases and deaths. People have to look them up. Just because we are doing better than Europe is no recommendation. I am not criticizing the amounts, but surely when doctors are promised vaccines, they are in stock at that time. Giving out false hope is not acceptable. My brother age 60 in US was done at weekend. Over 85s are anxious age group.

is_that_so · 03-03-2021 04:29PM

FileNotFound wrote: »

I have heard a major issue with the initial rollout was people in nursing home settings initially refusing the jabs, but once they saw no ill effects on those that had received they changed their minds.

This meant redeploy of staff resources and vaccine to areas that should have been covered already, just to cover the eejits.

This by nature of resources is having a very chaotic effect on other parts of the rollout.

Still does not excuse the piss poor rollout happening here, but i wonder how many other silly things are having big impacts? Should have kept the HSE out of it, always a mess when they are involved...

It was not a major issue, it was a generally a very big uptake. There were a few. The HSE does flu' vaccines every year , including 1.4m last year, but don't let that inconvenient fact get in the way of your utterly biased narrative.

FlubberJones · 03-03-2021 04:29PM

quokula wrote: »

Ireland is achieving one of the highest vaccine rates in Europe and the world for that matter. We only compare poorly with the UK because they're a massive outlier, but then they're also a massive outlier with their 120,000 dead and counting, so it's understandable they threw unlimited funds at the vaccine providers while the EU was a little more reserved while most member nations managed the virus infection levels more competently.

Not according the this.... if you have "better" stats let me know

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1196071/covid-19-vaccination-rate-in-europe-by-country/

FileNotFound · 03-03-2021 04:30PM

fawlty682 wrote: »

Vaccine figures are not announced like cases and deaths. People have to look them up. Just because we are doing better than Europe is no recommendation. I am not criticizing the amounts, but surely when doctors are promised vaccines, they are in stock at that time. Giving out false hope is not acceptable. My brother age 60 in US was done at weekend. Over 85s are anxious age group.

Agree entirely and the amount of HSE office staff that have had a shot while old and infirm are trapped in their homes is mad.

Boots beauty counter employees are being classed the same as pharmacists - the sign up online didn't even ask any real questions - could have signed anyone up it was such a simple minded system

is_that_so · 03-03-2021 04:34PM

FileNotFound wrote: »

Agree entirely and the amount of HSE office staff that have had a shot while old and infirm are trapped in their homes is mad.

Boots beauty counter employees are being classed the same as pharmacists - the sign up online didn't even ask any real questions - could have signed anyone up it was such a simple minded system

How on earth did they overlook your obvious genius when they were building all those systems?

FileNotFound · 03-03-2021 04:36PM

is_that_so wrote: »

How on earth did they overlook your obvious genius when they were building all those systems?

They overlooked a lot thats for sure, HSE staff in their 20's and 30's working from home getting brought in for shots as nobody differentiated between those that need and those that don't

I am just stating it was a piss poor setup thats all. I do expect better from our health service during a pandemic.

titan18 · 03-03-2021 04:40PM

FlubberJones wrote: »

Not according the this.... if you have "better" stats let me know

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1196071/covid-19-vaccination-rate-in-europe-by-country/

Ya, we're not doing as bad as Germany and France but plenty seem to be doing better than us within Europe and obviously likes of UK and US are miles ahead.

is_that_so · 03-03-2021 04:40PM

FileNotFound wrote: »

They overlooked a lot thats for sure, HSE staff in their 20's and 30's working from home getting brought in for shots as nobody differentiated between those that need and those that don't

I am just stating it was a piss poor setup thats all. I do expect better from our health service during a pandemic.

So, you've a load of anecdotes to prove this to be true? People have lots of stories they imagine are indicative of policy as well as little knowledge why Arthur from Accounting ended up on the list.

fawlty682 · 03-03-2021 04:40PM

Issues like disorganized vaccine scheduling, students laughing at restrictions etc need to be tackled or the people will become frustrated with our most tight restrictions. The 5kms is just nonsense.

ixoy · 03-03-2021 04:41PM

FileNotFound wrote: »

I am just stating it was a piss poor setup thats all. I do expect better from our health service during a pandemic.

Your issue is with who got the vaccine then, not how the number of doses? I suspect the number of WFHs is not as high, as a percentage, as some think or as straight forward but no doubt it's far from perfect. Like pretty much every country.

titan18 · 03-03-2021 04:44PM

is_that_so wrote: »

So, you've a load of anecdotes to prove this to be true? People have lots of stories they imagine are indicative of policy as well as little knowledge why Arthur from Accounting ended up on the list.

Tbf loads of people seem to have anecdotes at this stage. My brother got a pfizer vaccine last weekend and he does locum work in pharmacies and it's usually at most a day a week as he's still in college. Even he was surprised that was he called this early and what vaccine he got.

josip · 03-03-2021 04:44PM

FileNotFound wrote: »

I don't mean the actual figures, I mean the communication, planning and execution.

But hey - no doubt you are more of an expert than me.

So you badly communicated that it's the communication you're criticising?

is_that_so · 03-03-2021 04:45PM

titan18 wrote: »

Tbf loads of people seem to have anecdotes at this stage. My brother got a pfizer vaccine last weekend and he does locum work in pharmacies and it's usually at most a day a week as he's still in college. Even he was surprised that was he called this early and what vaccine he got.

I'm not, they were always going to be involved in the vaccination programme and it stands to reason anyone who could do it would be vaccinated earlier.

FileNotFound · 03-03-2021 04:50PM

is_that_so wrote: »

So, you've a load of anecdotes to prove this to be true? People have lots of stories they imagine are indicative of policy as well as little knowledge why Arthur from Accounting ended up on the list.

I know what I know. What I know says its a piss poor setup.

Exactly as i have said a few times, if you can show me something that contradicts my opinion I will gladly review.

Otherwise........

COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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