The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Enquiring wrote: »

It's a rhetorical question because of course, we can't have fair competitions if one county has that level of resources above everyone else. To claim otherwise would be ludicrous. The 2 decades of over funding and the near 100 titles across the board are enough on their own but the annual income figures are the final nail in the coffin to the defenders of the funding disparity.

Then the question again that I’ve asked you- Can we have a fair competition when several counties have income thats several million greater than the rest? If the resources have essentially always been heavily imbalanced have we ever had fair competition?

(Both of these facts have been proven btw throughout the thread)

dobman88 wrote: »

No, nothing has changed for me.

I was always of the opinion that 4 counties would dominate. That hasnt changed. Keep them restricted to 15 instead of 60 and things will level out as all things that are cyclical do.

Is an all Dublin final and semi finals better in your ideal world of 4 counties? Or is it better to have 1 Dublin team with more semi final spots up for grabs for other teams?

The new new counties will dominate but the one won't? This is just bizarre.

Enquiring wrote: »

I already answered. If any county has an annual income of 4, 5, 6 million more than other counties, then we can't have fair competitions. Isn't that just obvious?

Oh you found evidence that Dublin were under funded prior to 2002? Can you provide it here?

So you’re agreeing that if splits were to be considered we need to split several counties apart from dublin. After all it’s that massive resources that’s the basis for you dublin argument.. This is a huge shift in position for you.

Enquiring wrote: »

And people doubted that there would be a buy in from supporters in Dublin. It won't take much for big crowds to start attending matches of the new 4 counties.

There wont be 4 new counties any time soon if ever , there will never be a buy in from Dublin supporters .

ArielAtom wrote: »

The split will never happen. No matter how much whinging snd botching on an Internet forum is done. Long may the dominance continue. It’s an absolute pleasure to witness the greatest football team ever to grace a GAA field show us all how the game should be played and in such a humble manner. A credit to their families snd clubs, one and all.

I'd disagree in long may the dominance continue - but damn it, they play beautiful football. A good mix between the "hard man" contingency and delicious skills. I could watch Brian Fenton play all year long. I have never seen any player make it look so easy. Same with Dean Rock - a great ambassador. And neither of those 2 get involved in the controversials. Rock has been there a long time. Was he ever sent off in a Dublin championship game.

Enquiring wrote: »

So the 4 new counties in Dublin are going to be stronger than Dublin as one? Are ye lads really sticking with this line?

Didn't say that. But four teams of such potential strength would inevitably be in the top 8 counties most of the time - based on what we are seeing at the moment. Maybe in the long run with their own systems in place, under-age structures, development squads, yes potentially they might become as strong as the Dublin team has been. It'd make for a cracking All-Ireland final to be fair.

Enquiring wrote: »

So we have another voter for splitting Dublin here!

Again hate to disappoint you splitting Dublin will not happen anytime soon if ever.
But plug away tis great crack here !

Enquiring wrote: »

No evidence then?

Why would we need to split any other county? Only Dublin have an annual income of 5 and 6 million above all others and the annual income is the final nail in the coffin in the argument to split Dublin, not the only reason for it.

I know your response so I'll answer it before you ask. Kerry had a one off year of very high income. If that continues then of course something will have to be done. As I said, these questions are easy when fair play is the aim. Only the defenders of the financial disparity have difficulty answering questions as you know more than most.

Ah and so the mask slips again. It’s ok for other counties because ...reasons. It’s grand to have a 2x or even 3x disparity between some counties and their rivals but if dublin have resources that’s a problem. Unfortunately you poor, flawed argument keeps coming up against the same problems, for example you failure to address the vast wealth of some (non Dublin) counties throughout the years. You neglect to mention that the “one off” year for Kerry was, as to quote their treasurer

from the increase in ticket income, arising from the success of our senior footballers

Ie the increase was the natural uptick that comes with success, something Kerry are very familiar with over the years.so not really an unusual thing as you’re spinning here. The same uptick by the way that you haven’t accounted for in dublins figures because...reasons

tritium wrote: »

Ah and so the mask slips again. It’s ok for other counties because ...reasons. It’s grand to have a 2x or even 3x disparity between some counties and their rivals but if dublin have resources that’s a problem. Unfortunately you poor, flawed argument keeps coming up against the same problems, for example you failure to address the vast wealth of some (non Dublin) counties throughout the years. You neglect to mention that the “one off” year for Kerry was, as to quote their treasurer



Ie the increase was the natural uptick that comes with success, something Kerry are very familiar with over the years.so not really an unusual thing as you’re spinning here. The same uptick by the way that you haven’t accounted for in dublins figures because...reasons

I just said the opposite of what you just claimed. It's not ok for any counties to have millions more than everyone else. This really isn't difficult. I've told you repeatedly that if any other county had received 2 decades of over funding then calls for them to be split would be happening as well.

Do you have any evidence that shows Kerry have been over funded for 2 decades? If so, I'd have no issue adding them to the ban list.

tritium wrote: »

Then the question again that I’ve asked you- Can we have a fair competition when several counties have income thats several million greater than the rest? If the resources have essentially always been heavily imbalanced have we ever had fair competition?

(Both of these facts have been proven btw throughout the thread)

Not it’s never been equal, always been in favour of Dublin.

Then the problem was made worse by the Gaa themselves who funded Dublin far in excess of every other county to add to the advantage and imbalance that was there.

Not rocket science really.

the kelt wrote: »

You means the ill prepared debate where the figures weren’t given to him beforehand but the other side had them, which actually turned out not be overly accurate either, ok that one.

He is seeking the support to bring it to congress, just not this congress gone, it’s quite simple really.

Cheers you cleared up his poor preparation for the debate. Facts are facts. He had stated he was bringing it to this congress only he was ill prepared. Poor show for a man of his training, I wouldn’t like him representing me. Anyway it looks like it was the Westmeath GAA using him as a patsy.

Enquiring wrote: »

I think trying to claim that Dublin with the resources available to them will not continue to dominate while simultaneously claiming that 4 new counties will definitely dominate is up there with the strangest defenses of the funding disparity.

But as it is, I've already noted that the 4 new counties have the population and resources to thrive. They will be better positioned to promote hurling and football in our capital. I don't see how you think having 4 new competitive teams in hurling and football is counter productive?

With every county receiving appropriate funding and 4 new counties in the mix, we're going to see standards raised across the country and new championship structures put in place. It'll be a radical change for sure but a very exciting change. It would allow the GAA to prosper in urban and disadvantaged areas around the country and increase participation rates which is obviously something all of us would welcome.

Dublin will not be split in any way shape or form unless they themselves agree to it, so it won't happen no matter how much you try to wrap that turd in ice cream.

Enquiring wrote: »

I just said the opposite of what you just claimed. It's not ok for any counties to have millions more than everyone else. This really isn't difficult. I've told you repeatedly that if any other county had received 2 decades of over funding then calls for them to be split would be happening as well.

Do you have any evidence that shows Kerry have been over funded for 2 decades? If so, I'd have no issue adding them to the ban list.

Ban list? I think that Freudian slip shows the mask slipping further on the real agenda

So it’s not really about the resources dublin has, since I’ve just demonstrated irrefutably that other counties are in a similar boat.

And we’ve demonstrated already that the funding question is being addressed, and indeed that games development resourcing for rest of Leinster hugely outstrips Dublin in spite of comparable population and is accelerating. Indeed we’ve shown that your own slanted historical figures neglect millions in funding provided by the GAA through channels other than inter county allocation.

And we’ve demonstrated that, yes indeed there was a dublin plan, which was utterly transparent and every single county had sight of. We’ve shown that dublins success simply can’t be synced solely to the timing of the money arriving.

And we’ve shown that Dublin clubs are helping to fund gd in the capital by half funding the GDOs. Still no explanation why clubs elsewhere haven’t been able to pool resources to increase the owns resources. We’ve shown that dublins clubs, while bigger by numbers, also have to be by necessity to cater for a larger number of people in vastly more limited playing spaces.

We’ve shown that the additional expenditure on land for example in Dublin reflects vastly higher prices for that commodity and that in fact dublin have far less pitches available in spite of having to pay a premium even for what they have

And we’ve demonstrated that other counties can generate huge commercial deals- cork most recently, and three decades of Kerry as an example. We’ve shown that these deals can and do bankroll state of the art infrastructure such as COEs

What are you going to claim it’s really about next?

I think you’ve pretty much proved rebel girls point from earlier at this stage. Begrudge you’re and simple.

superbluedub wrote: »

All this talk of 4 new counties is just pie in the sky .Dublin supporters will never agree to it , and most certainly wouldnt welcome it and find it anything but exciting
but sure keep plugging away ,it aint gonna happen anytime soon if ever !

Dublin seem to be having issues attracting their own supporters to games in recent times. Routine dominance is boring for everyone and fans are voting with their feet.

Enquiring wrote: »

It is about the resources Dublin have gained off the back of the plan formed and funded for them. You've trawled through my posts previously, you know everyone competing on an equal footing is the essential part of all this. You've also seen calls for pooled sponsorship, caps on spending and so on. Why do you think the only posters defending Dublin's over funding are from Kerry and Limerick?

You've backed yourself into a corner again. Do you think it's ok for Kerry to have income of millions more than every other county? You're going to have to say that it is ok and defend Kerry!

As it is, they had a higher than usual income level for 1 year. If it continues something has to be done. Like with Dublin, in 2016, they had income of 4 million more than Mayo, they have annual income of 5 and 6 million more than most counties. The gap is growing so it just can't continue.

Except the gap isn’t really growing except on your selective figures. Gd funding is being addressed and a number of counties are sorting out their commercials to maximise that stream. Equally you have this rather convenient habit of treating the county allocation as the be and end all while ignoring other funding that happens at a provincial level for example but benefits counties, and not at the same ratio as their county allocation. Then there’s your habit of harping in about money spent by the dublin clubs themselves as evidence of dublin spending: it’s very strange how other clubs outside dublin aren’t allowed to spend their own money isn’t it? Or the harping on about the high cost of membership in dublins clubs but miss that this is a choice they’ve made. GAA in dublins is traditionally strongest in working class communities so the argument about dubs have more money to pay subs doesn’t hold water either. It’s touching your concern for Mayo too, a county who have millions more income than their rivals. I suppose that is and always has been a fair level of competition? Tell me, have those millions bought Mayo any advantage or does money magically gain superpowers when it crosses the dublin border?

I don’t know why you think I’ll be defending Kerry either I’m the poster who has highlighted more than anyone the financial advantages Kerry and a few others have enjoyed over decades while you and other posters have been dismissive.I think at this point the one backed into a corner is yourself.