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March Running Challenge
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01-03-2021 11:30am#1Hi All, here we go again!
The Royal Flush
Christened by one of our speedy residents. After dropping the idea, they made a speedy getaway leaving me to work out the details
I promised fewer rules this month at least... 
The Challenge
A perfect progression run. 10.00 km or 10.00 miles... simple
Rules
1. As many attempts as you like
2. Start at your normal easy pace and no more than 1 minute slower. So if you generally run easy at 9mins, start at 10min pace etc..
3. Claim your points with a screen shot for my sanity please, thank you!
Scoring
Accuracy
Full 10 km or 10 mile progression (each lap faster than previous) = 10 pts
Miss 10.00 (you must finish bang on 10.00) = -5 pts
Miss a lap (equal or slower pace than previous lap) = -2 pts per lap missed
Low risk bonus
All laps are exactly 2 or 4 sec faster
+2 pts available if you hit all 9 splits. +1 point if you hit 8/9
All laps are exactly 5 sec faster
+3 pts available if you hit all 9 splits, +2 for 8/9, +1 for 7/9
Complete exact 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 sec pattern
+4 pts available, +3 for 8 in a row, +2 for 7 in a row, +1 for 6 in a row
All laps are exactly 10sec per km or 15sec per mile faster
+5 pts available, +4 for 8/9, +3 for 7/9, +2 for 6/9, +1 for 5/9
Medium risk bonus
Pattern per Mile: exactly 1 sec, 33 sec, 1,33,1,33,1,33,1 sec faster = +8 pts
Pattern per Km: exactly 1 sec, 22 sec, 1,22,1,22,1,22,1 sec faster = +8 pts
(1 point for each of the 1 sec achieved, 1 point for 3 of the 4 33 secs)
High Risk
10x exact 1 sec consecutive drops = + 10pts
+1 point for every 1 sec faster split achieved plus +1 for hitting all 9.
Remember its -2 points for a same/slower lap
Bonus Bonus
Score at least 5 points on a low, medium and high risk challenge and you get +3 points. (only one challenge will count overall)22
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Wonder should we all be restricted to run with the same unit of measurement as there is greater scope for adjustments within a mile compared to a km? (I see this has been accounted for in some of the instances, but not all) Can I be the first to vote for kms?
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I'm just gonna run a progression run and hope someone else figures out the points:D
Run the progression run. You do the math. Make your claim with your screen shot. It will accepted or not. I'll just update the table with your points :P
Its quite the opposite to the January Challenge in that everyone will be STARING at their watch this month. I'll accept no claims about running into lamp posts or tripping over dog leads :pac:0 -
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Cheers
Look at it this way
low risks
If you go after the even numbers 2 or 4 secs its not a huge jump so easy to steady effort and low risk of missing a lap (slower). If you hit all 10 you get 2 points, if you hit 9 (just one odd number) you get 1 point.
Similar for 5 secs. Ok its 50 sec over a 10km vs 50 sec over 10 miles so a bit harder on the km but still within easy to steady. 3 points available here so if you hit 8 out of 10 you get 1 point, 9 out of 10, 2 points.
The next one 1,2,3,4,5,6 is just a cool one as you speed up slightly more every lap and if you happen to get lucky you can bag 4 points. Its a safe way of getting your 10 points as long as you hit the first lap 1 sec faster.
The 10/15 sec drops are just as hard in terms of accuracy but because you are jumping ahead faster each time, there is no real risk to missing a lap. If you hit 6 out of 10 splits you will bag a point... up to 5 points. This might be an attractive one as 100 sec over 10k or 150 sec over a mile would make it a good workout too!
The medium risks
Just 2 fun patterns. Basically a Steady 2 miles/kms with 1 sec difference before you plunge down at a faster pace for 2 more... times 5! It why its worth more. It harder as you push harder but knowing you bank a point for 8 out of 10 splits means you get more out of it. Those 1 sec drops are risky as you can very easily land on exactly the same lap pace and that will cost you 2 seconds. You have that risk 5 times in this one.
The high Risk
This is the Guantlet really as Itziger metioned. Its only a 10sec drop over 10k or 10 miles so I was originally giving it just 1 bonus point. Until I tried it out :eek: Its VERY challenging and you run the risk of an inaccuracy. Any lap that is faster than 1 sec costs you 1 point. Any lap that is the same or slower costs you 2 points. You could finish this one with a score of +10 or -20! However, that said, its the "easiest" one to try out multiple times or on every other easy run.. Hope to get lucky 0 -
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I'm completely lost I thought about posting to earlier to say I'll probably have to skip this as 10k is about the max of my mileage and a progression might not be the wisest thing in the world but who am I kidding... as soon as I can figure out what the feck you're talking about, I'll think about ways of giving it a go.
p.s. who the heck could drop their pace by 10 sec each mile :eek: I doubt my watch would pick up that level of accuracy anyway!
p.p.s. shotgunmcos did you lie awake at night dreaming this one up??!!! It's pretty cool.0 -
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Hi All
Edited the opening thread a little. Hope it makes a little more sense
:rolleyes:
Since Crisco10 went first I've used his example splits. Hope you don't mind sir! Its worth noting that with Garmin Crisco10 marked 4x 10sec faster splits but on Strava the splits are rounded up so I've actually counted 5 as below!
Each lap was faster so it was a full progression = 10 points
Crisco went after the 5 point bonus and got 5/9 splits = +1point
So updated total = 11 points.. our March Leader on his first go
Please note, I will not be examining everything to this detail, its up to you to post a screen shot or your splits with a valid link so I can verify. I'll pull in Kurt to help count
Also note as Crisco did perfectly, when you miss a target split, just carry on
Lap Distance Time Pace
1 1.00 km 5:44 5:44 /km
2 1.00 km 5:34 5:34 /km
3 1.00 km 5:24 5:24 /km
4 1.00 km 5:12 5:12 /km
5 1.00 km 5:02 5:02 /km
6 1.00 km 4:52 4:52 /km
7 1.00 km 4:44 4:44 /km
8 1.00 km 4:33 4:33 /km
9 1.00 km 4:22 4:22 /km
10 1.00 km 4:12 4:12 /km0 -
shotgunmcos wrote: »Crisco did perfectly,
Sorry to spam, just needed to be highlighted. What's rare is wonderful. 0 -
I LOVE this idea! I mean, I don't think I remotely understand it, but it sounds like lots of fun. 10km has been beyond the scope of my waddle-y pregnancy running lately but I managed it for the challenge at the weekend so I'll give this a good go! Better pick somewhere without too many dog leads/people to allow for the obsessive watch-staring...
So glad I'm not the only one! :pac:Annie get your Run wrote: »I'm completely lost0 -
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Made a first attempt at this tonight and almost ran into one of our medal hopes for Torun this weekend, also running in the woods after dark.
Got the progression bit right but don't think I qualified for any bonus, though I still don't understand the medium bonus.
The 1K progressions were -11,-3,-4,-7,-7,-8,-11,-10,-10.
Started off nice and slow and increased the pace a little. Floundered a bit as I hit hills in the middle section. Came back on target towards the end and had to work on the 9th one and finished strong. I can probably make multiple attempts at this but if it's like previous challenges, my first attempt will be my best one.
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Made a first attempt at this tonight and almost ran into one of our medal hopes for Torun this weekend, also running in the woods after dark.
Got the progression bit right but don't think I qualified for any bonus, though I still don't understand the medium bonus.
The 1K progressions were -11,-3,-4,-7,-7,-8,-11,-10,-10.
Started off nice and slow and increased the pace a little. Floundered a bit as I hit hills in the middle section. Came back on target towards the end and had to work on the 9th one and finished strong. I can probably make multiple attempts at this but if it's like previous challenges, my first attempt will be my best one.
Nice one. Bagged 10 points I'll get the March table going this weekend after we have a few attempts in.
The medium bonus is -1,-22,-1,-22,-1, -22,-1,-22,-1 each of the -1 is worth a point and 3 of the -22 get you a point for a max of +8 points.0 -
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https://www.strava.com/activities/4887381155
So I finished bang on 10km and every lap was quicker.....bar the last one. :mad: I was actually on for the full progression but in the last 50m, I got confused and was trying to adjust my pace and instead of speeding up slightly, I slowed down. I actually came to a complete stop with about 20m to go and stood staring at the watch wondering why the numbers were going in the wrong direction.
It was like a scene from Aircrash Investigations as I came to the sudden realization what was happening and sprinted the last few metres to try make up the time I had lost but it was too late, the damage was done and the plane crashed into the side of the mountain. So I make that 8 points
My splits
KM|Pace|Difference
1|5:14|
2|5:07|-7
3|5:02|-5
4|4:57|-5
5|4:52|-5
6|4:46|-6
7|4:41|-5
8|4:36|-5
9|4:31|-5
10|4:35|+4
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So after mondays nights effort failed miserably I thought I'd give this another go this morning.
Christ on a bike, I've never looked at my watch as much and been so confused running in a long time. Learner driver coming to a roundabout would be more controlled than this.
Was going out to try for +5 sec per K.
Complete fail after the 2nd K. Started out the first K too slow and just about the end of the 2nd K I had to stop completely as there was a tarmac lorry and digger completely blocking the road for about 20 secs.
Decided to continue on without restarting the watch totally forgetting that it was to be bang on 10K and no more. I'll put it down as progression run built into my morning run.
I'll count the first 2 K as a warmup and the last few as a cool down.
I think I make it 5pts, possibly could be in the minus points.
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https://www.strava.com/activities/4887381155
So I finished bang on 10km and every lap was quicker.....bar the last one. :mad: I was actually on for the full progression but in the last 50m, I got confused and was trying to adjust my pace and instead of speeding up slightly, I slowed down. I actually came to a complete stop with about 20m to go and stood staring at the watch wondering why the numbers were going in the wrong direction. It was like a scene from Aircrash Investigations as I came to the sudden realization what was happening and sprinted the last few metres to try make up the time I had lost but it was too late, the damage was done and the plane crashed into the side of the mountain. So I make that 8 points
My splits
KM|Pace|Difference
1|5:14|
2|5:07|-7
3|5:02|-5
4|4:57|-5
5|4:52|-5
6|4:46|-6
7|4:41|-5
8|4:36|-5
9|4:31|-5
10|4:35|+4
Nice attempt! Correct its 8 points. A -5 on that last split would have given you your full 10 for the progression plus a bonus for 7/9 -5sec splits. That 1 split was potentially worth 3 pointsAntrimGlens wrote: »So after mondays nights effort failed miserably I thought I'd give this another go this morning.
Christ on a bike, I've never looked at my watch as much and been so confused running in a long time. Learner driver coming to a roundabout would be more controlled than this.
Was going out to try for +5 sec per K.
Complete fail after the 2nd K. Started out the first K too slow and just about the end of the 2nd K I had to stop completely as there was a tarmac lorry and digger completely blocking the road for about 20 secs.
Decided to continue on without restarting the watch totally forgetting that it was to be bang on 10K and no more. I'll put it down as progression run built into my morning run.
I'll count the first 2 K as a warmup and the last few as a cool down.
I think I make it 5pts, possibly could be in the minus points.
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First attempt today and went for broke with increase by 1 second. First 2 exactly the same, so +8 for the run overall. Definitely some were = +1 second, but I leave you to decide how to interpret the times and whether I have done enough to earn any additional score to the +8.
My sight isn't good enough to read the lap splits, so I just kept with the original plan of starting out at 5:10 and increasing by +1 for each km.
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First attempt today and went for broke with increase by 1 second. First 2 exactly the same, so +8 for the run overall. Definitely some were = +1 second, but I leave you to decide how to interpret the times and whether I have done enough to earn any additional score to the +8.
My sight isn't good enough to read the lap splits, so I just kept with the original plan of starting out at 5:10 and increasing by +1 for each km.
Well done that's a great effort at the high risk.
Score. Let's use actual pace as avg pace has you missing 3 splits (-6pts) reducing score to 4pts.
Actual splits look great. Almost full progression. 1 split missed by a whisker =8pts. I won't use decimal placed in the bonus scoring, too complex. Let's say 6.1 to 5.8 classifies as a 1 sec split drop. Happy for everyone to show avg pace, actual pace, garmin, polar or strava whatever gives you the best score.
In this instance you hit 5/9 splits (laps 5,7,8,9,10)
Added to the progression score of +8
Total score = 13 points and you are this months current challenge leader!
Edit: Since you have scored +5 bonus points on the high risk, might be worth A) trying to improve that or
score at least +5 on the medium and low risk to secure an added +3 (bonus bonus)
Note to all: only your highest individual progression run score will count overall. Cannot add up for multiple attempts.0 -
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Another day another attempt. In fact I was going to attempt 2, one low risk, 1 medium risk. But having to run the final k at 4.00 pace left me too wrecked to attempt another. I thought final km was going to be at 4.10.
and now that I see the splits, I see what happened between 6 and 7k. I jumped down by 20 secs rather than 10!
So..
10pt for full progression and +2 for 6/9 if you go by split time ignoring the hundredths. I messed up last one because I was at limit and going up an incline and ended up too quick!
This certainly felt like a progression vs yesterday which was practically an even pace run.
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March Table Update #1
A few scores on the doors
Pos|Runner|Jan|Feb|Mar|Total
1|crisco10*|18|17|11|48
2|fletch*|19|18|8|47
3|jamule*|15|19|10|46
4|Comic Book Guy*|11|14|10|37
5|Omeceron*|20|13||34
6|Lambay Island|14|18||33
7|axe2grind*||18|13|32
8|dna_leri*|4|13|10|29
8|mister paul*|12|16||29
10|Kander*|10|17||28
11|Murph_D|18|8||27
12|Antrim Glens*||20|5|26
13|Annie get your Run*|9|15||25
14|Swashbuckler*|18|5||24
15|eyrie*|18|4||23
16|BeginnerRunner|20|||20
16|Conor74*||20||20
18|py*||19||19
19|healy1835*|18|||18
19|eposhea*||17||18
19|Shotgunmcos*|16|2||18
22|Unknown Unthought|17|||17
22|ReeReeG*|5|11||17
24|Kurt_Godel*|1|15||16
24|TFBubendorfer*||16||16
26|edinrunna*||14||15
27|Dudda|13|||13
28|Zico10*|1|11||12
28|Dubh Geannain*|2|9||12
28|racersedge||12||12
28|Strawberry Swan*||12||12
32|En Passant*|7|3||11
33|Wubble Wubble*|10|||10
33|jackc101*||10||10
35|Laineyfrecks|1|7||9
36|skyblue46|8|||8
36|Pherekydes*|1|6||8
38|omicron*|6|||6
39|Huzzah|3|||3
40|Tummer||||
40|OOnegative||||
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Interesting dynamic this month whereby your score is completely within in your own control. No depending on what others do.
Yup! A simple 10k progression from easy to steady pace and you bank 10 points. Likely the "easiest" 10 points of the series so far.
In Feb you would have had to get 200m elevation or in January get within 12 seconds of the hour.
Another thing about this month is that there is actually a max of 23 points on the line and accessible to all 0 -
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Had another go at this today (although went for the low risk bonus "All laps are exactly 10sec per km or 15sec per mile faster")https://www.strava.com/activities/4887381155
So I finished bang on 10km and every lap was quicker.....bar the last one. :mad: I was actually on for the full progression but in the last 50m, I got confused and was trying to adjust my pace and instead of speeding up slightly, I slowed down. I actually came to a complete stop with about 20m to go and stood staring at the watch wondering why the numbers were going in the wrong direction. It was like a scene from Aircrash Investigations as I came to the sudden realization what was happening and sprinted the last few metres to try make up the time I had lost but it was too late, the damage was done and the plane crashed into the side of the mountain. So I make that 8 points
My splits
KM|Pace|Difference
1|5:14|
2|5:07|-7
3|5:02|-5
4|4:57|-5
5|4:52|-5
6|4:46|-6
7|4:41|-5
8|4:36|-5
9|4:31|-5
10|4:35|+4
Anyway, below are my splits (taking Avg Pace from my Garmin Connect activity)
KM|Pace|Difference
1|5:30|
2|5:23|-7
3|5:12|-11
4|5:02|-10
5|4:52|-10
6|4:43|-9
7|4:31|-12
8|4:21|-10
9|4:11|-10
10|4:01|-10
I make that 10 points for full progression (finished bang on 10:00 and didn't miss any splits) + 1 for 5/9 laps exactly 10secs faster giving a total of 11 points
Hint: It's important to note that Avg Pace is a rounding of your time for a split, so if the watch flashes up with 5:19.6, that's 5:20 so you need to adjust accordingly for your next lap.0 -
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Can I claim the +3 bonus?shotgunmcos wrote: »
Edit: Since you have scored +5 bonus points on the high risk, might be worth A) trying to improve that or score at least +5 on the medium and low risk to secure an added +3 (bonus bonus)
High risk 13pts
Low Risk 12pts
And today, Medium Risk 11pts
Missed 2 of the 1 second progression, so 6pts plus 5 bonus (3 x 22secs and 2 x 1 second)
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What your man above said. Low risk, no bonus.
I don’t think my watch is accurate enough for this kind of thing. Wild swings in lap pace with the slightest increase or decrease. Thought I was doing OK though til I uploaded. Didn’t enjoy this run - too much gawking at the watch, something I’ve gotten used to not doing over the past couple of years. HR quite high - must have been the stress!
https://strava.app.link/06jrxFRsueb
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Unfortunately No. Fair play for having a go at all 3. 13 points still your top score.
For medium risk the 3x 22 sec don't count unless you have the 5x 1 sec in the bag. You score 2x 1 sec for +2pts but missed 2 splits (-4pts). So score for that run was +6 for progression and +2 for bonus = 8 points.
Also you need to score 10+5 on low and high risk, so 15pts total on each.
The risks are progressively harder but the extra 3 bonus points are hardest of all!0 -
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