Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

SilentGreenx32 · 28-02-2021 03:35AM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Seriously? You dont know how to find email addresses for public reps?

Someone posted a compiled list not long ago and he is asking for it. what's your problem?

Coillte_Bhoy · 28-02-2021 03:42AM

SilentGreenx32 wrote: »

Someone posted a compiled list not long ago and he is asking for it. what's your problem?

No problem at all, it would take seconds to find it, off ye go

Coillte_Bhoy · 28-02-2021 03:43AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Nobody is refuting that. But if it turns out to be impossible to counter the virus with vaccination, then we have to start talking about alternative exit strategies. “Social distancing and no mass gatherings for years or decades” is not an acceptable or palatable solution for the vast majority of people, so if we can’t vaccine against it then what else could we consider doing?

All the evdience at the moment suggest vaccines are working, if in the long run this is not the case then we will have to face and make difficult decisions, why obsess about that now?

JP Liz V1 · 28-02-2021 03:43AM

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

A 16 year old died from it recently, I personally know a 19 year old who died from it, my friends 23 year old brother died from it, a work colleague whose 30 got long covid and has been sick for months, she has to sleep down stairs as climbing the stairs in her house leaves her so short of breath she feels like she's going to pass out, she's so exhausted she sleeps 18 hours a day, she said the tiredness is like having the flu but x100, she's completely floored.

I'm sorry to hear about those deaths

It effects everyone differently but this wave around I think we are hearing more of younger deaths

The protest in Dublin isn't helping imho

gozunda · 28-02-2021 03:53AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Nobody is refuting that. But if it turns out to be impossible to counter the virus with vaccination, then we have to start talking about alternative exit strategies. “Social distancing and no mass gatherings for years or decades” is not an acceptable or palatable solution for the vast majority of people, so if we can’t vaccine against it then what else could we consider doing?

Wtf is saying "Social distancing and no mass gatherings for years or decades"?

We are vaccinating - though even when everyone is vaccinated lets say in August or September for arguments sake - the difference is that with huge numbers of people vaccinated we will be better able to manage the viruses in the future

I would generally recommend a little bit of basic cop on in most of these type of scenarios tbh ...

dockysher · 28-02-2021 03:58AM

It's going be all over in summer, gauranted. Do da boom and gloomerss that are lovely live right now have short time.

dwayneshintzy · 28-02-2021 06:04AM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Interesting that when a protester fires a firework at the police in Hong Kong, Minsk or Moscow RTE are are very quick to remind us that it is a "pro democracy" protest! :pac:

What point do you think you're making here?

28-02-2021 08:53AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The people protesting are patriots. I have no sympathy for the garda. They have betrayed us.

The post and the associated thanks are very instructive

28-02-2021 09:02AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

If you are under the age of 50 and are afraid of Covid 19 at this stage, you are in need of psychological help.

This is a difference I see. Some people can think of the consequences for other people and not just themselves

28-02-2021 09:04AM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Like many on here, I am learning more about viral infections than I did about Greek bond yields back in 2010 direction...

Coming into the pandemic the only thing I knew was to stay away from mainstream media as much as possible...I'll be honest, even though I knew this virus is something that is going to require huge action I felt severe lock down's felt like an over reaction but went along with it anyway....

Maybe that affected my search results.

I tried to find video's on Youtube of different medical experts (Irish or British if possible) who made logical sense and came across quiet a few, most have been taken down by Youtube.

The video below is Dr Pat Morrissey, I heard him speak on local radio and he was the most accurate in his assessment and predictions for the coming winter (as in last winter) that I have come across...he didn't get into that in this video but he does give his reasons for speaking out.

He spoke at a rally in Dublin last Oct and was immediately censured by the HSE...

This is what is wrong and why people like me are fed up, there is a justifiable argument that this whole year has been completely one sided and experts have been completely off in their predictions, predictions which justify the severe lock downs.

There is something rotten about all of this, when media, health officials, and politicians are all willing to only consider and only allow us to consider one side of the argument.

The Irish Times poll this week, showed that Tony Houlihan has huge public support, hardly a surprise when his strategy isn't criticized.

He is an anti vaccine fruit loop.

pjohnson · 28-02-2021 09:14AM

"Dr" Pat is about as much use as "Dr" Dolores.

francogarbanzo · 28-02-2021 10:01AM

gozunda wrote: »

Wtf is saying "Social distancing and no mass gatherings for years or decades"?

We are vaccinating - though even when everyone is vaccinated lets say in August or September for arguments sake - the difference is that with huge numbers of people vaccinated we will be better able to manage the viruses in the future

I would generally recommend a little bit of basic cop on in most of these type of scenarios tbh ...

Because a clear message from the government stating “social distancing and no mass gatherings will not go on for years or decades” would do wonders to put the population at ease.

Hellrazer · 28-02-2021 10:07AM

Klonker wrote: »

Does anyone have TD and Senator emails? I think they were threw up here previously in the chat.

Here you go.

gozunda · 28-02-2021 10:08AM

francogarbanzo wrote: »

Because a clear message from the government stating “social distancing and no mass gatherings” will not go on for years or decades would do wonders to put the population at ease.

Doesn't answer the question asked.

And I dunno - its seems like the ones deliberately looking for a state of unease - are the same as those claiming "years and decades" Pure utter rabblerousing.

I believe the majority of the population don't believe its all a big conspiracy tbf.

Its highly unlikely there will an alien invasion - do we need a government statement on that as well?

landofthetree · 28-02-2021 10:10AM

dockysher wrote: »

It's going be all over in summer, gauranted. Do da boom and gloomerss that are lovely live right now have short time.

Thats what I thought till I seen this.

https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1365938464907276288

Leftwaffe · 28-02-2021 10:13AM

What a way to start your Sunday morning. Read this from the usual doom merchant media outlet, RTE. In all seriousness, the tone of this article is embarrassing and the as for the disconnected scientists quoted in it, the less said the better.

As if people are gonna stand for this sh1t for some time to come. This thing is almost over, vaccinate all adults and the vulnerable and draw a line under it. We’re not eliminating it so we need to just get on with it and start living our lives. I’ve given a year to this already, enough is enough.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0227/1199793-life-after-vaccines/

_Kaiser_ · 28-02-2021 10:14AM

PatrickIde1187 wrote: »

Did the BLM protesters actually attack a Guard like the scummers today did?

Just catching up with the thread so apologies if this has already been said.

If you mean the "protests" in Blanchardstown recently then no. They just marched through the shopping centre intimidating people and attacking a security guard and a woman and her son outside a petrol station.

Not a Garda to be seen, and the only coverage on RTE was from outside the station with comments about how the guy who attacked a shop worker and lunged at armed Gardai with a weapon of his own wouldn't hurt a fly.

Don't get me wrong, the violence at the protest yesterday was just as wrong as the above, and to be condemned without reservation. Those responsible should be identified and prosecuted.

However, a bunch of scumbags using the opportunity to have a fight with the Gardai doesn't take away from the fact that people have clearly had enough and want their lives and rights back.

Silentcorner · 28-02-2021 10:23AM

Deleted User wrote: »

He is an anti vaccine fruit loop.

You know it is possible to hold differing positions to a person for a myriad of reasons and still be able to agree with them on one...

This guy was the most accurate predictor of what would happen at wintertime with Covid....in a country where TV Covid Celebs were predicting mass graves and freezer trucks full of dead bodies, which even at the time seemed a bit crazy, those guys are still on TV...some of them want primary school children in masks.

If you do reply to this post, I will ask you not to misrepresent anything I have said, please.

FintanMcluskey · 28-02-2021 10:34AM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Seriously? You dont know how to find email addresses for public reps?

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

No problem at all, it would take seconds to find it, off ye go

I often wonder why any poster would take the time to post in such banal snipes.

It’s all some do

Can you not ignore the post without immature attacks?

Golfman64 · 28-02-2021 10:38AM

Leftwaffe wrote: »

What a way to start your Sunday morning. Read this from the usual doom merchant media outlet, RTE. In all seriousness, the tone of this article is embarrassing and the as for the disconnected scientists quoted in it, the less said the better.

As if people are gonna stand for this sh1t for some time to come. This thing is almost over, vaccinate all adults and the vulnerable and draw a line under it. We’re not eliminating it so we need to just get on with it and start living our lives. I’ve given a year to this already, enough is enough.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0227/1199793-life-after-vaccines/

Don’t forget that RTE and these experts benefit from dramatisation, click bait quotes and doom more so than a good news story. They will become increasingly dramatic and cautionary as we start to
move on from this thing through Q2 and Q3 of this year to try and keep themselves relevant. Best to try and ignore RTE, in particular.

LuckyLloyd · 28-02-2021 11:00AM

Graham wrote: »

That would be the end of the vaccination program.

Are you sure that's a good idea?

Silence to this, of course

LuckyLloyd · 28-02-2021 11:09AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

However, a bunch of scumbags using the opportunity to have a fight with the Gardai doesn't take away from the fact that people have clearly had enough and want their lives and rights back.

500 people turning up at a protest doesn’t add or take away from anything. People have clearly had their limit because they are human and this has been going on to various degrees for a year. And yet the majority of people are doing their best to stick to what has to be done as a collective. A tiny number of people turning up to an event organised by anti abortion / anti gay equality / anti immigrant / (and recently) anti lockdown scumbags aren’t helping get us out of this. Attacking Gards doesn’t help us get out of this.

The vaccines are here. The data on their efficacy is really good. In a couple of months we’ll have broken the back of this due to the vaccination programme and keeping community transmission suppressed. Restrictions are only in place because we never want to reimpose any restriction again once lifted. It truly is the time to #HoldFirm.

Bluwave · 28-02-2021 11:14AM

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/0228/1199811-dublin-protest-courts/

I always find it funny that the legal system in this country can function efficiently when there is a political will to do so.

Yesterday’s thugs should rightly be moved swiftly into detention.

It’s just that these people should also have been before the courts already

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/four-people-including-two-politicians-to-face-charges-over-golfgate-event-1.4487590?mode=amp

And maybe if they were before the courts already then the former wouldn’t have happened. If the people could see that the ‘highest’ in society are being held to account the ‘lowest’ might get the message.

average_runner · 28-02-2021 11:17AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

500 people turning up at a protest doesn’t add or take away from anything. People have clearly had their limit because they are human and this has been going on to various degrees for a year. And yet the majority of people are doing their best to stick to what has to be done as a collective. A tiny number of people turning up to an event organised by anti abortion / anti gay equality / anti immigrant / (and recently) anti lockdown scumbags aren’t helping get us out of this. Attacking Gards doesn’t help us get out of this.

The vaccines are here. The data on their efficacy is really good. In a couple of months we’ll have broken the back of this due to the vaccination programme and keeping community transmission suppressed. Restrictions are only in place because we never want to reimpose any restriction again once lifted. It truly is the time to #HoldFirm.

Also going by all the posts I seen, there is not much support for the protests.

500 is tiny, I have more followers on Twitter ðŸ€£ðŸ€£

Boggles · 28-02-2021 11:30AM

500 is being generous.

A lot of locals turned out to have a gawk and a giggle.

It inflates the numbers.

The lizard people stealing babies and grounding them up to give to RTE was certainly the interviewee of the day.

Windmill100000 · 28-02-2021 11:42AM

Maybe there was 500, maybe more. It doesn't really matter as the end result has not been positive.

I read an article that there was a call for shops to open up in defiance of restrictions yesterday as well but haven't read of any shops that actually did.

Those that think the protest will have any positive impact are just deluding themselves and think if they say it enough it will be true.

People are still adhering to restrictions and see an end in sight. I do think people will be out and about more as the weather picks up, many staying within the 5km still, but I think that is as far as the 'tide is turning' camp can realistically claim.

Multipass · 28-02-2021 11:53AM

Leftwaffe wrote: »

What a way to start your Sunday morning. Read this from the usual doom merchant media outlet, RTE. In all seriousness, the tone of this article is embarrassing and the as for the disconnected scientists quoted in it, the less said the better.

As if people are gonna stand for this sh1t for some time to come. This thing is almost over, vaccinate all adults and the vulnerable and draw a line under it. We’re not eliminating it so we need to just get on with it and start living our lives. I’ve given a year to this already, enough is enough.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0227/1199793-life-after-vaccines/

I just read that article and feel like walking under a bus.

Ice Albatross · 28-02-2021 11:53AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

500 people turning up at a protest doesn’t add or take away from anything. People have clearly had their limit because they are human and this has been going on to various degrees for a year. And yet the majority of people are doing their best to stick to what has to be done as a collective. A tiny number of people turning up to an event organised by anti abortion / anti gay equality / anti immigrant / (and recently) anti lockdown scumbags aren’t helping get us out of this. Attacking Gards doesn’t help us get out of this.

The vaccines are here. The data on their efficacy is really good. In a couple of months we’ll have broken the back of this due to the vaccination programme and keeping community transmission suppressed. Restrictions are only in place because we never want to reimpose any restriction again once lifted. It truly is the time to #HoldFirm.

I'm gonna mark you down as a non-compliamt

_Kaiser_ · 28-02-2021 12:15PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

500 people turning up at a protest doesn’t add or take away from anything. People have clearly had their limit because they are human and this has been going on to various degrees for a year. And yet the majority of people are doing their best to stick to what has to be done as a collective. A tiny number of people turning up to an event organised by anti abortion / anti gay equality / anti immigrant / (and recently) anti lockdown scumbags aren’t helping get us out of this. Attacking Gards doesn’t help us get out of this.

The vaccines are here. The data on their efficacy is really good. In a couple of months we’ll have broken the back of this due to the vaccination programme and keeping community transmission suppressed. Restrictions are only in place because we never want to reimpose any restriction again once lifted. It truly is the time to #HoldFirm.

This reads like a Government/HSE press release, complete with idiotic hashtag at the end to be 'down with de kids' :rolleyes:

What seeps through from the above post and some others above is an increasing desperation to discredit the idea that people have had enough and are starting to push back on the situation. The fact that there were some antisocial scum at the protest yesterday doesn't take away from that reality.

The thing that I STILL cannot understand is what people like yourself are getting out of the situation. Is it a deference to authority without question thing, is it that ye are pocketing a fortune by WFH for the last year, is it that - despite the empirical evidence of the last 12 months in this country - you really believe that there is a virus out there that is deadly to the majority of our population? Is it just that you're so entrenched at this stage that you can't see the reality? Or is it just the age old Irish curtain twitching - envying or begrudging what your neighbours are at, or complaining because not everyone feels the way you do?

I'm not being funny. I really don't understand it. How long do you think that a society and country can be run on the basis of the potential risk to a tiny minority of people, or how long do you think that the majority will continue to put up with the situation? How much is enough?

The reaction from people like yourself is almost as though you never moved beyond the fear that existed this time last year when we knew very little about this virus or who was at risk. All we saw was pictures of death in Italy and China and social media panic.... But 12 months on, the truth is that most of those fears were unfounded (thankfully), and in Ireland we've seen less than 5000 deaths - most of whom were already very elderly and had existing underlying issues.

Every death is a sad loss for those who loved them, but death is inevitable and will continue to happen regardless of hysteria over numbers and lockdowns and social media crusading.

So, what are you so concerned about? Leave aside the soundbites and regurgitating of the narrative. What are YOU personally so concerned about that you feel continuing to restrict 4.9 million people is justified?

_Kaiser_ · 28-02-2021 12:20PM

Multipass wrote: »

I just read that article and feel like walking under a bus.

It's more desperate attempts to keep themselves relevant and investment coming in I think.

Self interest, that's all.

The general public won't accept it once those actually at significant risk have been vaccinated.

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