Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01

Locotastic · 28-02-2021 01:28AM

khalessi wrote: »

Nope that is not what I said

Let me help ya, teachers will end up according to the schedule being vaccinated in the holidays, they need to be moved up now. If not they still need to be vaccinated otherwise that is a second school year they are facing without vaccination.

Regarding dropping down not acceptable, interesting you are happy to move teachers down not up, anti teacher bias anyone?

They don't need to be moved and they won't be moved in any meaningful way.

It can cause problems in these times if we care only about ourselves and refuse to try to understand or see things from other peoples perspective or see the bigger goal.

There are plenty of people that NEED it more than healthy teachers.

Teachers will be vaccinated when their time comes, teachers aren't victims, even if you like to paint it that way.

The benefits (for everyone) of vaccinating a group of elderly or vulnerable people far outweighs the benefits of vaccinating a group of people just because they are teachers.

khalessi · 28-02-2021 01:30AM

Locotastic wrote: »

They don't need to be moved and they won't be moved in any meaningful way.

It can cause problems in these times if we care only about ourselves and refuse to try to understand or see things from other peoples perspctive or see the bigger goal.

There are plenty of people that NEED it more than healthy teachers.

They'll be vaccinated when their time comes, teachers aren't victims, even if you like to paint it that way.

The benefits (for everyone) of vaccinating a group of elderly or vulnerable people far outweighs the benefits of vaccinating a group of people just because they are teachers.

NO you called us victims I never have.

Locotastic · 28-02-2021 01:31AM

khalessi wrote: »

NO you called us victims I never have.

Where did I do that now, remind me?

I actually said teachers aren't victims so stop making things up.

astrofool · 28-02-2021 01:37AM

khalessi wrote: »

Nope that is not what I said

Let me help ya, teachers will end up according to the schedule being vaccinated in the holidays, they need to be moved up now. If not they still need to be vaccinated otherwise that is a second school year they are facing without vaccination.

Regarding dropping down not acceptable, interesting you are happy to move teachers down not up, anti teacher bias anyone?

Sure, but you want teachers moved up so it can occur during the school term, if that window is missed, teachers aren't needed to be vaccinated till the next school year, so can move down the list. It's hypocritical to suggest otherwise.

khalessi · 28-02-2021 01:59AM

astrofool wrote: »

Sure, but you want teachers moved up so it can occur during the school term, if that window is missed, teachers aren't needed to be vaccinated till the next school year, so can move down the list. It's hypocritical to suggest otherwise.

So the government are hypocrites, well if you insist

astrofool · 28-02-2021 02:09AM

khalessi wrote: »

So the government are hypocrites, well if you insist

Not sure how you can misread that, but I'm calling you a hypocrite if you insist that teachers should be vaccinated before others after the school year is finished.

As it is, given the bump in supplies, teachers should get done a bit before the school year ends.

JTMan · 28-02-2021 08:28AM

In the UK, they are using rapid tests to support school reopening.

- 32 million lateral flow tests will be sent by post to parents every week.
- Entire families and households with primary school, secondary school and college-age children, including childcare and support bubbles, will be able to test themselves twice every week at home as schools return.
- The offer to almost 16 million people.
- All secondary pupils have to be tested four times by the end of the first two weeks back. The first three tests take place in school and the fourth at home, after which pupils will be tested twice a week at home.

Great idea. If only there were similar plans here.

kerrylad1 · 28-02-2021 08:47AM

Delighted my young lad is heading back tomorrow.Despite lots of teacher bashing in this and many other media outlets,i can honestly say,My son's special needs teacher's went above and beyond their duties for him,over the last 2 month's.
They did video chat every day,and even called with birthday presents for him.He can't wait to see them tomorrow.I know this is not the same for every special needs child across the country,but that is just my experience.

Zaney · 28-02-2021 10:23AM

kerrylad1 wrote: »

Delighted my young lad is heading back tomorrow.Despite lots of teacher bashing in this and many other media outlets,i can honestly say,My son's special needs teacher's went above and beyond their duties for him,over the last 2 month's.
They did video chat every day,and even called with birthday presents for him.He can't wait to see them tomorrow.I know this is not the same for every special needs child across the country,but that is just my experience.

It’s good to hear positive reports of teachers efforts.

But may I ask, why are you delighted he is returning? Would you support the continuation of remote learning until Easter or September (by which time all teachers might be vaccinated)?

wirelessdude01 · 28-02-2021 10:57AM

Zaney wrote: »

It’s good to hear positive reports of teachers efforts.

But may I ask, why are you delighted he is returning? Would you support the continuation of remote learning until Easter or September (by which time all teachers might be vaccinated)?

Think I've only seen one person on here calling for schools to be closed until September and to any person with an ounce of smarts, it is clear that they are saying it to get a reaction from a certain segment of posters on here.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 28-02-2021 11:02AM

JTMan wrote: »

Great idea. If only there were s̶i̶m̶i̶l̶a̶r̶ plans here.

Best of luck to all returning tomorrow

KerryConnor · 28-02-2021 11:08AM

The school staff I know don't want schools closed til Sept, they want them open but monitored properly and with safety procedures in place. In ireland we still don't seem to be proposing any mass testing around schools at all (they are calling testing of close contact s mass testing which it isn't)

In UK secondary school kids testing twice weekly, families of school going children can now avail of free pcr testing twice weekly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56226020

German teachers were being tested fortnightly since last September.

Zaney · 28-02-2021 11:32AM

JTMan wrote: »

In the UK, they are using rapid tests to support school reopening.

- 32 million lateral flow tests will be sent by post to parents every week.
- Entire families and households with primary school, secondary school and college-age children, including childcare and support bubbles, will be able to test themselves twice every week at home as schools return.
- The offer to almost 16 million people.
- All secondary pupils have to be tested four times by the end of the first two weeks back. The first three tests take place in school and the fourth at home, after which pupils will be tested twice a week at home.

Great idea. If only there were similar plans here.

These tests have a high rate of false negatives, mainly from asymptomatic cases. The HSE site states it will detect Covid in most people with symptons. But we are we not already advising that people with symptons don’t go to school?

I think there is a risk that people become complacent and mix more. Now there is a risk they will mix anyway. But I think it’s more likely if they’ve just had negative tests.

These tests are cheap and readily available? Are any teachers or parents planning on buying them themselves similar to the discussion on buying personal masks?

Icyseanfitz · 28-02-2021 11:37AM

Best of luck to everyone tomorrow, stay safe and mind yourselves. We all know at this stage if there's a spike it will be blamed on parents meeting outside of schools and the recent protests in Dublin, groundwork has been laid already for it not to be inside schools.

kerrylad1 · 28-02-2021 12:18PM

Zaney wrote: »

It’s good to hear positive reports of teachers efforts.

But may I ask, why are you delighted he is returning? Would you support the continuation of remote learning until Easter or September (by which time all teachers might be vaccinated)?

Look while his SNA's have been fantastic,his speech has regressed to be honest.Every morning he asks,is school open?He misses his teacher's and friends.I honestly do not think teachers will be vaccinated bye christmas,never mind september.Hope im wrong.

thomasdylan · 28-02-2021 12:31PM

Warbeastrior wrote: »

Thomas and locotastic say that it is shocking that teachers want to be vaccinated before they go back to an exposed school setting.

But you have absolutely no problem sending that school staff back into said environment with absolutely no protection.

Your hypocrisy speaks volumes.

Also, we are only calling to be vaccinated because people like ye are demanding schools be opened.
We'll happily wait our turn for the vaccine if we are allowed to continue to work remotely like thousands of other individuals.

No hypocrisy here. If teachers are going to refuse to go back to schools without being vaccinated then schools will have to stay closed. Children will pay the price.

We have to vaccinate those who will die if they get Covid first. This has been repeatedly explained and ignored here. Vaccinating a healthy 25 year old teacher next instead of a 40 year old on dialysis is crazy. But this is what is being called for here.

On precautions in schools, surgical masks should definitely be provided for school staff. I don't think temperature checks work well and I don't think weekly Covid tests on all school staff makes sense either. In industry and hospitals, weekly surveillance swabs have generally only been used when there has been outbreaks and this could be extended to schools.

khalessi · 28-02-2021 12:33PM

Zaney wrote: »

These tests have a high rate of false negatives, mainly from asymptomatic cases. The HSE site states it will detect Covid in most people with symptons. But we are we not already advising that people with symptons don’t go to school?

I think there is a risk that people become complacent and mix more. Now there is a risk they will mix anyway. But I think it’s more likely if they’ve just had negative tests.

These tests are cheap and readily available? Are any teachers or parents planning on buying them themselves similar to the discussion on buying personal masks?

So far I have spent a few hundred euros on masks
Cant afford these too

Stateofyou · 28-02-2021 12:55PM

Why has this thread turned into a vaccine debate? I don't know why we can't get more vaccines into this country - we should have and teachers should have been able to receive it due to the decision to reopen during a time the government is saying is still very serious. It's probably to do with supply and EU entanglements, but it is what it is. So what's the point in debating this when it's not going to happen.

What we CAN do here in Ireland is choose to implement more robust safety measures. But we're not. That to me is the bigger issue deserving attention.

Mrsmum · 28-02-2021 12:57PM

Anything to be said for a compromise position re vaccinating teachers, say vaccinate those over 50 and those who have any even low risk conditions ?
Another thing that struck me was if you vaccinate all teachers, including the very young and very fit ones, would there not be an immediate call to vaccinate all students over 16 ( I think 16 is the age over which a person can be vaccinated), since these students are with maybe 30 other students, not even the same students, plus different teachers all day long and many of them have the bus issues also. On top of which they are connected to their parents' and their siblings' connections. Their situation is roughly the same as that of their teachers.

JP100 · 28-02-2021 01:22PM

Already a number of outbreaks in special schools and classes this week. Sadly doesn't bode well for the weeks ahead at all.

gifted · 28-02-2021 01:26PM

JP100 wrote: »

Already a number of outbreaks in special schools and classes this week. Sadly doesn't bode well for the weeks ahead at all.

Have you a link for this?

khalessi · 28-02-2021 01:56PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

Anything to be said for a compromise position re vaccinating teachers, say vaccinate those over 50 and those who have any even low risk conditions ?
Another thing that struck me was if you vaccinate all teachers, including the very young and very fit ones, would there not be an immediate call to vaccinate all students over 16 ( I think 16 is the age over which a person can be vaccinated), since these students are with maybe 30 other students, not even the same students, plus different teachers all day long and many of them have the bus issues also. On top of which they are connected to their parents' and their siblings' connections. Their situation is roughly the same as that of their teachers.

You have to be over 18 to be vaccinated

Warbeastrior · 28-02-2021 01:58PM

JP100 wrote:

Already a number of outbreaks in special schools and classes this week. Sadly doesn't bode well for the weeks ahead at all.

Saw that. Its only gonna get worse.

khalessi · 28-02-2021 02:01PM

Warbeastrior wrote: »

Saw that. Its only gonna get worse.

Ah sure any rise in school numbers going forward can be blamed on yesterdays protest now, back to community not school based infection

Locotastic · 28-02-2021 02:10PM

khalessi wrote: »

You have to be over 18 to be vaccinated

No you don't, it's 16 for Pfizer vaccine.

khalessi · 28-02-2021 02:15PM

Locotastic wrote: »

No you don't, it's 16 for Pfizer vaccine.

Well 17 year niece was told she was underage for vaccines and she has CF

astrofool · 28-02-2021 02:28PM

khalessi wrote: »

Well 17 year niece was told she was underage for vaccines and she has CF

They'll likely start rolling out for <18 with conditions as part of the 18-54 group, similar to how they brought forward the 18-64 with high risk conditions.

There is ongoing trials for vaccines in under 16's as well, but the risk is so low that they aren't a priority at the moment (more details on vaccine rollout over in the vaccine thread before this one gets too off track).

Zaney · 28-02-2021 02:30PM

khalessi wrote: »

You have to be over 18 to be vaccinated

Have you looked at the vaccine list?

4th priority group is people aged 16 to 69 at very high risk of severe Covid.

7th is 16 to 65 and high risk of severe Covid

khalessi · 28-02-2021 02:32PM

Zaney wrote: »

Have you looked at the vaccine list?

4th priority group is people aged 16 to 69 at very high risk of severe Covid.

7th is 16 to 65 and high risk of severe Covid

Well lets put it this way she was told not getting it due to age
Her parents sorted it though

Zaney · 28-02-2021 02:35PM

Warbeastrior wrote: »

Saw that. Its only gonna get worse.

What did you see?

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Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01