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Cheltenham 2021 Antepost

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    #1262
    marty whelan
    Registered Users Posts: 152 ✭✭marty whelan


    anyone thinking campeador could be good bet for Martin Pipe? any improvement in ground should help


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    #1263
    Shemale
    Registered Users Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Shemale


    zpehtsfd wrote: »
    Sorry yes opening price (i knew someone would correct me on that but was too lazy to change it).

    Got them off PP website evening before raceday.

    Thanks.

    I have been working on a database for about a year now, trying to speed it up at the moment and figure out the best and quickest data to display on the racecards.


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    #1264
    The Mig
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 2,034 Mod ✭✭✭✭The Mig


    MOD NOTE

    Back on topic folks.

    This is not the place to be discussing a certain trainers love life and a potentially damaging pic which may or may not be real. Thanks


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    #1265
    Limestone1
    Registered Users Posts: 855 ✭✭✭Limestone1


    Bet365 NRNB now
    Paying best prices on top 3 in Champion Hurdle. Honeysuckle 11/4


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    #1266
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    The Mig wrote: »
    MOD NOTE

    Back on topic folks.

    This is not the place to be discussing a certain trainers love life and a potentially damaging pic which may or may not be real. Thanks

    Surely trainers are relevant?


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    #1267
    The Mig
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 2,034 Mod ✭✭✭✭The Mig


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    Surely trainers are relevant?

    They are if you want to mention one of his horses you’re backing.


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    #1268
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    The Mig wrote: »
    They are if you want to mention one of his horses you’re backing.

    He has 59 entries, if all is not in order at his yard he is very relevant to Cheltenham discussion.


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    #1269
    The Mig
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 2,034 Mod ✭✭✭✭The Mig


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    He has 59 entries, if all is not in order at his yard he is very relevant to Cheltenham discussion.

    Absolutely very relevant Widdensushi. No problem with you throwing up selections or discussing some of the runners from his stable.
    Anything outside of that you might find yourself with a infraction.

    So again, back on topic folks!


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    #1270
    Morleystreet
    Registered Users Posts: 225 ✭✭Morleystreet


    blackcard wrote: »
    I wouldn't be taking those odds for the Prestbury Cup. I expect Ireland to do well enough in the Championship races but half the races are handicaps with Ireland having a minority of the runners. In a couple of the races, Ireland may only have one or two runners, in others maybe 4 or 5 out of 20 or so runners. I think the results have been a bit freakish the last couple of years and I don't think the handicapper will be kind. Even in some of the championship races, Irish horses will be vastly outnumbered. Ireland may have a lot of the favourites but if anything happens the favourite, Britain are best placed to win. If I got 2/1, I would be lumping it on Britain.

    Just for info - UK are 9/2 and Ireland are 1/5. (PP - under specials).


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    #1271
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Having backed petit moucher I hope any issues at the yard are resolved with positive outcomes soon, it would not be good for irish racing or racing in general for any other outcome.


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    #1272
    EICVD
    Registered Users Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭EICVD


    Gordon tweeted that the IHRB are aware of the photo being circulated & he’s cooperating with the investigation, no statement that it’s not true though....


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    #1273
    Slattsy
    Registered Users Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    Having backed petit moucher I hope any issues at the yard are resolved with positive outcomes soon, it would not be good for irish racing or racing in general for any other outcome.

    Glens of Antrim a very interesting one on his run behind The Stattler. That's good form, and she didn't jump that day at all.


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    #1274
    abarkie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭abarkie


    I was all for Us and Them last year

    Seems have been quietly prepared for this year.

    Anyone else think its a plot?


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    #1275
    Slattsy
    Registered Users Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    abarkie wrote: »
    I was all for Us and Them last year

    Seems have been quietly prepared for this year.

    Anyone else think its a plot?

    Think a lot of us were on him last year!


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    #1276
    longshotvalue
    Registered Users Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭longshotvalue


    abarkie wrote: »
    I was all for Us and Them last year

    Seems have been quietly prepared for this year.

    Anyone else think its a plot?


    Was all about him last year. He'll be of a lower mark , in a race where race form is huge. Its a NRNB advantage here, JOB wont be sending him without a chance. Ground looks to be better this year as well. (long rage forecast)


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    #1277
    abarkie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭abarkie


    aidankkk wrote: »
    Was all about him last year. He'll be of a lower mark , in a race where race form is huge. Its a NRNB advantage here, JOB wont be sending him without a chance. Ground looks to be better this year as well. (long rage forecast)

    Looks like 25/1 across the board


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    #1278
    Labaik
    Registered Users Posts: 273 ✭✭Labaik


    Hopefully another few lbs dropped for Call Me Lord after todays effort


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    #1279
    Hulk Hands
    Registered Users Posts: 6,014 ✭✭✭Hulk Hands


    The Tetrarch wrote: »
    I would not recommend Patrick Veitch's book (not Vietch). There is little or nothing to learn from it.
    Veitch started off with Exponential (2002), a 2yo gelding who ran 13th of 13 on its debut, beaten 17 lengths. In its second race on 16th August 2004 it opened at 100/1, and started at 8/1. Google says Veitch made almost a quarter of a million on the race. "(trainer said, regarding the improved form shown, gelding benefited from the experience of its first run and had also strengthened up between its two races)". :rolleyes:

    Enemy Number One, the secrets of the UK's most feared professional punter, by Patrick Veitch, reveals nothing, perhaps because he has no secrets, except horses running very badly, and then running very well, for reasons known only to him.

    That's not the point. Veitch explains simply in the first few paragraphs the basics behind value punting over the pursuit for winners. I could've picked a dozen different books, I just went with the highest profile individual that came to mind in a split second, while ranting on a longer post. Unfortunately the true Don of the game, Tony Bloom, doesn't tend to pen his football memoirs.

    Do you always correct typo's? I thought mods frowned upon that?


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    #1280
    The Tetrarch
    Registered Users Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭The Tetrarch


    Hulk Hands wrote: »
    Do you always correct typo's? I thought mods frowned upon that?
    Mods frown on others moderating the forum.


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    #1281
    NaiveMelodies
    Registered Users Posts: 3,172 ✭✭✭NaiveMelodies


    Will Blackmore get the Envoi Allen ride now?


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    #1282
    The Mig
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 2,034 Mod ✭✭✭✭The Mig


    NaiveMelodies wrote: »
    Will Blackmore get the Envoi Allen ride now?

    Jack keeping the ride


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    #1283
    The Rooster
    Registered Users Posts: 4,471 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    The Mig wrote: »
    Jack keeping the ride

    The guy from Cheveley Park said Davy or Jack on Sky, depending on fitness. He said Davy's name first, but no idea if that means anything!


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    #1284
    Coneygree
    Registered Users Posts: 821 ✭✭✭Coneygree


    The Rooster wrote: »
    The guy from Cheveley Park said Davy or Jack on Sky, depending on fitness. He said Davy's name first, but no idea if that means anything!

    Sure Davey is out for a while anyway so Jack will be on for Cheltenham.


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    #1285
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Don't suppose the odds will fluctuate much on Elliots horses as a result of all the hysteria?


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    #1286
    The Rooster
    Registered Users Posts: 4,471 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Don't suppose the odds will fluctuate much on Elliots horses as a result of all the hysteria?
    A bloke from one of the betting companies (can't remember which one, other than it began with "Bet" :) and they are NRNB and BOG) was on telly earlier, said they are being very cautious and that everyone else seems to be the same (those who are NRNB anyway).

    He said it'll be on the day that there might be value for these horses.


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    #1287
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Don't suppose the odds will fluctuate much on Elliots horses as a result of all the hysteria?

    I would imagine Davy pointing out on prime time that the horses would be affected by moving yards would affect the odds.


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    #1288
    carq
    Registered Users Posts: 869 ✭✭✭carq


    Its a bit unprecdented!
    Lots of odds on favourites changing yards, possibly changing feeds, stable hands all 2 weeks before the fest.

    I will be opposing all the horses moving for the festival i think.


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    #1289
    Slattsy
    Registered Users Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    carq wrote: »
    Its a bit unprecdented!
    Lots of odds on favourites changing yards, possibly changing feeds, stable hands all 2 weeks before the fest.

    I will be opposing all the horses moving for the festival i think.

    Could very well be a good angle.


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    #1290
    Backstreet Moyes
    Registered Users Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Anybody gone off elliots former horse's over the disruption so close to the festival

    Have Zanhiyr and Ballyadam backed but thinking of cashing out


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    #1291
    akelly02
    Registered Users Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭akelly02


    as paul nicholls put it, its not ideal, definately not a plus.

    feed, training regime etc will all be changed. some horses might transition well, some might not.

    as paul says, some of the horses he got off willie took the best part of a year to settle in


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