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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #1412
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,517 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    This does not take into account 2nd doses does it , but hopefully the supplies of new vaccines will step up the amount being vaccinated to compensate ?
    I have seen estimates but I can't see how it will happen to be honest .
    I an thinking it will be July not June , when we can start to relax a bit , and if I hold that thought I won't be disappointed if that is how it transpires .

    Well, we've about 350k in already, not all second dose ofc, but if production ramps up as expected we should see a significant amount of the risk groups given at least first dose, if not second, by then. I think estimates were that up to 60% of the pop will be fully vaccinated by end of June.


  • #1413
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,278 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It was on the middle of the Twitter thread that was linked above. I know it mentions the WHO'S believe that the world needs to be vaccinated so perhaps that's where they are coming from.
    Herd immunity only when the whole world is vaccinated.

    This was clarified at the presser today .
    That was written before the recent evidence came through about the vaccines preventing transmission and efficacy against variants .
    Glynn decried that very statement this evening .
    Good news! A lot of positivity today:)


  • #1414
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,278 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Well, we've about 350k in already, not all second dose ofc, but if production ramps up as expected we should see a significant amount of the risk groups given at least first dose, if not second, by then. I think estimates were that up to 60% of the pop will be fully vaccinated by end of June.

    Not my point , but yes they have said that ..


  • #1415
    [Deleted User]
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    Goldengirl wrote: »
    This was clarified at the presser today .
    That was written before the recent evidence came through about the vaccines preventing transmission and efficacy against variants .
    Glynn decried that very statement this evening .
    Good news! A lot of positivity today:)

    Ah! That's brilliant :) Thanks for clarifying that.


  • #1416
    nocoverart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    I can’t Imagine the state of this place if no vaccines existed... lots of glass half empty posters as is.


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  • #1417
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,517 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Not my point , but yes they have said that ..

    Oh right, dunno about relaxing restrictions, but by mid may we should have most of the at risk groups looked after. Found some better info in the times -

    Irish Government figures released on Tuesday forecast 1.2 million vaccine doses being delivered to the State by the end of March and 3.3 million doses between April and June, plus an additional 600,000 one-shot vaccines from Johnson & Johnson if the latter jab is approved.

    Also according to the article 82 per cent of adults would have received at least a first shot by the end of June.


  • #1418
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,278 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    There is no evidence that "pretty much everyone" would get it at all. I dont think any virus has a 100% infection rate. Natural resistance/immunity is a thing.

    This hasn't happened in places that have been fully open since last year, eg Florida. Or where I live has had all shops, restaurants, casinos, hair/nail salons etc open since May and I know of 2 people who caught it. 2. Maybe more did and didn't have symptoms but in that case, does it matter?

    I don't know why you still come here spouting this ..stuff, when the dogs on the street know how bad things have been for everyone in the States.
    Frankly don't care if they have their nail bars and casinos open !
    You were saying " nothing to see here " when hospitals were out the door and deaths rising , and that was few months back ...:(


  • #1419
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    I think that's why we'll need a proper plan presented by the government.
    If it's the case that we're only weeks away from finishing up vaccinating the most vulnerable, and cases <100 as you say, along with very few in hospital, the government needs to say that, to communicate to us in a proper coherent way. That we just need to hold out till X date and we can then open up more rapidly than if we tried opening up slowly while finishing off the vulnerable vaccinations.

    I think if they gave Phase plans in terms of numbers like that, at least the population would have a goal to achieve, with clear results. Last year was more like that (ok, xmas didn't go so well in terms of resurgence), but it seems now that they are afraid to take any risk whatsoever, unless they can be sure they won't have to reintroduce restrictions. I'd personally prefer if they allowed a little more "living with covid", and return to the 2020 goal of managing it to allow the health service cope.


  • #1420
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    I don't know why you still come here spouting this ..stuff, when the dogs on the street know how bad things have been for everyone in the States.
    Frankly don't care if they have their nail bars and casinos open !
    You were saying " nothing to see here " when hospitals were out the door and deaths rising , and that was few months back ...:(

    No things haven't been so bad for "everyone" in the states. You're being ridiculous. Don't remember saying nothing to see here? Hospitals were never out the door where I am. I'm sure if they were their staff wouldn't be spending their little free time posting on message boards anyway


  • #1421
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Can someone remind me of the 5km logic? In the US, with dropping numbers, you can travel from State to State, but here it's a police checkpoint situation. What exactly is the big risk here? Is it really that everyone will descend on the same beach? Don't think so.


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  • #1422
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    Pat Leahy wrote an article an hour or two ago basically saying that support for the lockdown measures are going to nosedive once the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated.

    That seems obvious to me at least - especially if they open up north. I'm grudgingly going along with lockdown because I see the reason behind it - it's to keep our mams and grannys safe. Once they're safe though, if the government stall for even a minute more than necessary on getting small business owners open, letting gyms open their shutters, and getting pubs back in action - especially if all of the same are open up north, I can see full scale civil unrest happening here.

    Really, after 14 months of this you can see civil unrest happening? Because I can't. Irish havn't a single civilly unrestful bone in their bodies. This is honestly sounding like a trope in these threads at this point. Somebody should word search all the threads just to see how many times it's been mentioned over the last year just for ****s and giggles. Any 'unrest' or opposition to restrictions in Ireland will be quiet, sensible, and it will likely be online..in the form of gradual polling of the population to gauge opinion.


  • #1423
    blowitupref
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    Goldengirl wrote: »
    This was clarified at the presser today .
    That was written before the recent evidence came through about the vaccines preventing transmission and efficacy against variants .
    Glynn decried that very statement this evening .
    Good news! A lot of positivity today:)

    Didn't Dr Ronan Glynn say at todays press briefing that with the vaccines a herd immunity could be reached by this September?


  • #1424
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Can someone remind me of the 5km logic? In the US, with dropping numbers, you can travel from State to State, but here it's a police checkpoint situation. What exactly is the big risk here? Is it really that everyone will descend on the same beach? Don't think so.
    At a guess, I'd say it's because if people are told to stay within their county, there'll be a flood of "Sure, I can travel all over county X, but the nearest shop to me is in county Y, this is ridiculous."
    Or "Why not just lock down county Z?" Or "What about crossing the border?" Or etc. And some counties are awfully big.


    That's the logic I'm guessing behind distance as opposed to county. Why 5km specifically, I've no idea. People will complain whatever distance is chosen, but 5km does seem small.


  • #1425
    Morries Wigs
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Can someone remind me of the 5km logic? In the US, with dropping numbers, you can travel from State to State, but here it's a police checkpoint situation. What exactly is the big risk here? Is it really that everyone will descend on the same beach? Don't think so.

    The 5km fiasco is tied to legislation preventing landlords evicting tenants nothing at all to do with health issues complete farce by an incompetent government


  • #1426
    leahyl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,433 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    What’s this about some B1525 variant that has been detected in Ireland now and apparently isn’t as receptive to the current vaccines? Jesus the wave of bad news is never ending - please, somebody, allay my concerns :-(


  • #1427
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Really, after 14 months of this you can see civil unrest happening? Because I can't. Irish havn't a single civilly unrestful bone in their bodies. This is honestly sounding like a trope in these threads at this point. Somebody should word search all the threads just to see how many times it's been mentioned over the last year just for ****s and giggles. Any 'unrest' or opposition to restrictions in Ireland will be quiet, sensible, and it will likely be online..in the form of gradual polling of the population to gauge opinion.

    The national mood has changed rapidly over the last few weeks, ever since those disastrous comments from Leo, McConkey and others that we'd need to keep social distancing measures in place for a protracted period of time after mass vaccination. I'd be the first to agree that Ireland is painfully difficult to motivate towards resistance at the best of times, having been involved in the likes of the water and college fees protests in the early 2010s, but in this scenario I genuinely believe that if we achieve mass vaccination and the government attempts keep social distancing measures in place around entertainment and hospitality, people absolutely will collectively lose their sh!t.

    Just my opinion, of course. But proper social gatherings are in my experience the #1 thing many people are counting down the days until (other than, of course, the reopening of businesses for those who own them and have been repeatedly screwed over by mixed messaging and flip flopping) and if the government continues to forbid this even when we reach the point of mass vaccinations, compliance will nosedive extremely rapidly. When these comments were published over the last few weeks, friends of mine who have been exceptionally careful throughout this - some of whom either have immunocompromised relatives or are immunocompromised themselves - started talking about how angry it had made them and that they'd happily go to illegal raves and house parties if mass vaccination arrives and the government still says we can't have gigs or clubs next Winter.

    Don't shoot the messenger, I'm not saying I said or agreed with any of these things :D But I really do think this is the tipping point. The idea of forcing people to remain socially isolated after mass vaccination is achieved makes zero sense, it was an utterly stupid concept to float publicly in the manner that Varadkar did, and I reckon once we achieve mass vaccination compliance with restrictions will plummet almost immediately.


  • #1428
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    leahyl wrote: »
    What’s this about some B1525 variant that has been detected in Ireland now and apparently isn’t as receptive to the current vaccines? Jesus the wave of bad news is never ending - please, somebody, allay my concerns :-(

    It's still susceptible to the Pfizer vaccine at least:

    https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210204/Pfizer-vaccine-and-Eli-Lilly-monoclonal-antibodies-successfully-neutralize-SARS-CoV-2-UK-variant-finds-study.aspx

    Between this, the AstraZeneca debacle and the news that the Pfizer vaccine is now transportable at ordinary medical fridge temperatures, I expect we'll see a wholescale pivot towards trying to order more of this vaccine and use it in a larger swathe of the populace than was originally intended.


  • #1429
    leahyl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,433 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    It's still susceptible to the Pfizer vaccine at least:

    https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210204/Pfizer-vaccine-and-Eli-Lilly-monoclonal-antibodies-successfully-neutralize-SARS-CoV-2-UK-variant-finds-study.aspx

    Between this, the AstraZeneca debacle and the news that the Pfizer vaccine is now transportable at ordinary medical fridge temperatures, I expect we'll see a wholescale pivot towards trying to order more of this vaccine and use it in a larger swathe of the populace than was originally intended.

    Ok, thanks, it’s still bloody annoying that this was able to come into the country - where the hell is this mandatory hotel quarantining! Glacially slow!!


  • #1430
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭prunudo


    leahyl wrote: »
    What’s this about some B1525 variant that has been detected in Ireland now and apparently isn’t as receptive to the current vaccines? Jesus the wave of bad news is never ending - please, somebody, allay my concerns :-(

    Another day, another variant or reason for the government and media to scare us and keep us in line.


  • #1431
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    nsnoefc1878 wrote: »
    He sent them a book, or recommended one, it's some leap from that to suggest he was telling them to do everything mentioned in the book. Good grief.

    My advice to people when it comes to hysterical doom mongering over new variants in the media is to look a little deeper into which particular mutations those variants carry which make them a cause for concern. This new one is concerning because of the E484K mutation, but as linked above, the Pfizer vaccine looks to be solid against that particular mutation.

    Not all mutations are created equal, essentially, but good luck getting RTE or the Irish Times to tell you that. It would hardly facilitate panic-driven viral clickbait if they explained these things within the scope of their articles.


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  • #1432
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    leahyl wrote: »
    What’s this about some B1525 variant that has been detected in Ireland now and apparently isn’t as receptive to the current vaccines? Jesus the wave of bad news is never ending - please, somebody, allay my concerns :-(

    It is a ‘May’. They do not know. But expectation growing that we may need booster shots at some point. Which is grand.

    From this article, the greater real risk is mixing in private houses.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40233749.html


  • #1433
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    prunudo wrote: »
    Another day, another variant or reason for the government and media to scare us and keep us in line.

    There's loads of variants. Most are not that bad. If the confer an advantage they go on. If they are more transmissible, they dominate. Some have and will continue to evade immunity derived from vaccines and / or previous infections. Unfortunately there can be no guarantees on what the next one will be like while there is lots of transmission. Interconnectedness of the world means that it's just a plane ride away from some country that isn't trying to suppress. UK took the piss before Christmas. Brazil doesn't give a crap about it given they've got bigger problems. Parts of S.A are desperately poor etc. Not a coincidence the virus got a chance to go around what was blocking it those places.

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    Vaccines are fairly effective though for now. Who knows in 6 months. This is the reality unfortunately. I'm all for wishful thinking but it hasn't really worked out for us so far so best be upfront about it. This is not scaremongering. Nobody has an interest in you being scared. It's the opinion of the president of America who probably knows more about than you or I.

    https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1365152861726920710?s=20


  • #1434
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    There's loads of variants. Most are not that bad. If the confer an advantage they go on. If they are more transmissible, they dominate. Some have and will continue to evade immunity derived from vaccines and / or previous infections. Unfortunately there can be no guarantees on what the next one will be like while there is lots of transmission. Interconnectedness of the world means that it's just a plane ride away from some country that isn't trying to suppress. UK took the piss before Christmas. Brazil doesn't give a crap about it given they've got bigger problems. Parts of S.A are desperately poor etc. Not a coincidence the virus got a chance to go around what was blocking it those places.

    545001.png

    Vaccines are fairly effective though for now. Who knows in 6 months. This is the reality unfortunately. I'm all for wishful thinking but it hasn't really worked out for us so far so best be upfront about it. This is not scaremongering. Nobody has an interest in you being scared. It's the opinion of the president of America who probably knows more about than you or I.

    https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1365152861726920710?s=20

    Dont believe there is any strong evidence of this. There is some evidence the the AZ vaccine doesn't perform so well against SA variant, but it is no stronger that the evidence it still protects against severe illness


  • #1435
    caveat emptor
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Dont believe there is any strong evidence of this. There is some evidence the the AZ vaccine doesn't perform so well against SA variant, but it is no stronger that the evidence it still protects against severe illness

    Fair enough. I've listed lots of studies etc about the transmissibility etc. I'd be more concerned about the way it's evolving rather than the specific variants. It is good that currently there is no evidence of not working against severe illness in the variants and I'd take any vaccine available as there is good data to show the protectiveness of severe disease currently


  • #1436
    Fakediamond
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭Fakediamond


    With the U.K. being ahead of us with vaccine rollout and their plans for reopening, we’ll have plenty of advance warning about whether mass vaccination works well in keeping hospital numbers down and allows for some return to normality.


  • #1437
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Fair enough. I've listed lots of studies etc about the transmissibility etc. I'd be more concerned about the way it's evolving rather than the specific variants. It is good that currently there is no evidence of not working against severe illness in the variants.

    In fact there is growing evidence that various vaccines fare well against the variants

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/02/24/nation/jj-one-shot-vaccine-appears-fare-better-against-worrisome-covid-19-strains-than-first-reported/

    And once more, even for ones that do escape the vaccine resistance, they wont be novel viruses as evolution does not produce such massive mutations in such a short period of time. For most, they may make you sick, but not to the level of a novel virus.


  • #1438
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,517 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Morries Wigs wrote: »
    The 5km fiasco is tied to legislation preventing landlords evicting tenants nothing at all to do with health issues complete farce by an incompetent government

    This is not wholly correct. The 5k rule is to try and slow down spread, it was brought in under health legislation. The eviction legislation was tacked onto that, if you can't travel then we can't allow evictions.

    So that's why they are currently going on about being 'unable' to drop the 5k rule. It's nonsense of course, they could easily have made getting a home an exemption to the travel restrictions. But they don't want to do that simply because they don't want any evictions.


  • #1439
    Dempo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,130 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    marno21 wrote: »
    Paul Reid unhappy with people out and about

    If he’s unhappy with the amount of people out and about during weather warnings he’d better prepare himself for the amount out and about during dry sunny weather.

    Reid is insufferable, I just don't get how he's lasted ths lengh of time apart from the cost of getting rid of him. He led the charge at yesterday's PR ladened HSE press conference about all the alleged positivity whilst at the same time Liveline inundated with calls about cancellations of vacinne appointments and GP surgeries not even contacted or supplied vaccine.

    As regards his absurd comments about people moving about, he hasn't been shy about popping up and down to his holiday pad in Leitrim, the hypocrisy is breathtaking.

    Listening to him at the moment on morning Ireland, no hard questions and listening to him is annoying.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • #1440
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,658 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    How did the new sub Saharan variant end up here in Ireland when apparently we are taking all the necessary precautions at airports for people coming into the country?


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  • #1441
    celt262
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭celt262


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    How did the new sub Saharan variant end up here in Ireland when apparently we are taking all the necessary precautions at airports for people coming into the country?

    You know that is not happening it should be but its not.


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