Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

1…4142444647…326

Comments

  • #1292
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,244 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Yeah, I'm probably being harsh with calling it guff. I do tend to post without thinking things through fully (which leads to a fair few embarassing backing down moments :pac:)

    I just get frustrated about the potential impact on people's perceptions. As a basic description to get across the idea of what's going on, 'new virus' makes sense. The impact on people's view of the vaccine is definitely a worry though, as is the fact that people already on the brink of despair could be pushed over the edge at the idea of doing this all over again. Even if they're adding caveats like 'but the vaccines still work', that tends to get lost and the 'new virus' part makes it to the headlines (and allows the likes of Staines and McConkey to engage in their usual wild speculation).

    You are absolutely right to be annoyed though. Words have meaning and those in positions of authority need to be extremely careful with the words they use in situations like this. It is not a "new virus", it's still COVID, just a slightly different strain. More importantly, the vaccine still works against it. My own elderly relative was on the phone asking had I heard about the new virus. This shows how irresponsible it is to be using such terms. A lot of people are still bloody terrified by this thing and it's not helping them one iota.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #1293
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,295 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    SnuggyBear wrote: »
    Sick of hearing about variants, the UK variant was first found in September. Does any other country go on about them like Ireland? Its the most obvious scare tactic so far.

    Every country seems to be highlighting the uncertainty of the new variants. Watch some European news channels and you'll see we're no better or worse than most others with regards to coverage of this.


  • #1294
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,278 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    SnuggyBear wrote: »
    Sick of hearing about variants, the UK variant was first found in September. Does any other country go on about them like Ireland? Its the most obvious scare tactic so far.

    Yes. I think most of the national public health briefings probably do discuss the "variants of concern , " not all variants.
    Scottish , English , Anerican , Australian , to mention just a few.
    What country were you thinking of that wouldn't be discussing them ?


  • #1295
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Her questions are cringeworthy..trying to get a headline out of it is right .

    He handled it very well .

    Very good briefing with a lot of positivity , and good quality information .

    Edit to say , I think George Lee may have missed the earlier discussion on the variants as he was on Six One as well , so maybe that explains his late arrival to the party .

    Personally think Glynn is an excellent communicator. He seems much more comfortable than Holohan when faced with journalists such as the few mentioned.


  • #1296
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Poll by the Irish times. Staines Ryan and co are now bricking it!!!

    https://twitter.com/irishtimes/status/1365040287077326852?s=21


  • Advertisement
  • #1297
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Poll by the Irish times. Staines Ryan and co are now bricking it!!!

    https://twitter.com/irishtimes/status/1365040287077326852?s=21

    "Just 15 per cent of respondents favour an immediate reopening of “all non-essential retail and services” while only 6 per cent favour the reopening of pubs and restaurants. There is majority support for retail to be reopened before the summer, with 55 per cent in favour, but the desire for pubs and restaurants to reopen is much weaker, with just 33 per cent saying they should open their doors before the summer."


  • #1298
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    SnuggyBear wrote: »
    Sick of hearing about variants, the UK variant was first found in September. Does any other country go on about them like Ireland? Its the most obvious scare tactic so far.


    It is a relevant piece of data in the analysis of the situation. What do you expect them to do, pretend that nothing has changed?


  • #1299
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    "Just 15 per cent of respondents favour an immediate reopening of “all non-essential retail and services” while only 6 per cent favour the reopening of pubs and restaurants. There is majority support for retail to be reopened before the summer, with 55 per cent in favour, but the desire for pubs and restaurants to reopen is much weaker, with just 33 per cent saying they should open their doors before the summer."

    Didn’t mention pubs but yeah I couldn’t see it happening in April or May anyway but after that then who knows! The most interesting poll is the that zero covid isn’t what the people want! So they should all just f off


  • #1300
    Dubit11
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 30 ✭Dubit11


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Every country seems to be highlighting the uncertainty of the new variants. Watch some European news channels and you'll see we're no better or worse than most others with regards to coverage of this.

    But but RTE something something....


  • #1301
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    This is a good article. Good balance in it. Caution still required but optimism also.

    https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a35614976/covid-19-vaccines-good-news-variants/


  • Advertisement
  • #1302
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,682 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    So are NPHET and Government going to use these surveys or will they be binned


  • #1303
    Summer2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 694 ✭✭✭Summer2020


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Poll by the Irish times. Staines Ryan and co are now bricking it!!!

    https://twitter.com/irishtimes/status/1365040287077326852?s=21

    “The poll also shows that the zero-Covid approach is not endorsed by a large majority of respondents, who say they want things to get back to normal once the elderly and vulnerable have been vaccinated.“

    Delighted to hear it. Despite rte’s best efforts in pushing these zealots on us day in day out.


  • #1304
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    Encouraging news from that poll that 80% would take the vaccine tomorrow. 14% said no.


  • #1305
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Slide1.jpg
    Slide2.jpg
    Slide3.jpg
    Slide4.jpg
    Slide5.jpg
    Slide6.jpg
    Slide7.jpg
    Slide8.jpg
    Slide9.jpg
    Slide10.jpg


  • #1306
    nsnoefc1878
    Closed Accounts Posts: 596 ✭✭✭nsnoefc1878


    Turtwig wrote: »
    There is absolutely zero there to suggest ISAG were "instructed to “look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety, and uncertainty” "

    There isn't necessarily something wrong with advocacy groups getting advice from a PR communications agency.

    Gript need to provide a lot more evidence to support their claims and frankly given that it's gript I think I'm going to see pigs fly before they support any claim they make. Hence why no outlet is taken it seriously.

    A certain Irish times government stooge retweeted that story yesterday with comments that showed his eagerness for it to be true.


  • #1307
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,278 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Personally think Glynn is an excellent communicator. He seems much more comfortable than Holohan when faced with journalists such as the few mentioned.

    Yes.
    Holohan gets a bit shirty when he comes into confrontation , and resorts to repetitive messages which just don't hit a good note sometimes and comes across as patronising.
    Glynn is more adaptable usually and takes breath before he answers to consider .

    That could be a result of the increased pressure generally on Dr Tony Holohan, I would think he was under a lot more stress than anybody should be , in the last year, poor man .

    As you can see they all have my sympathy , probably not a popular thing to say at this point , but it has been an awful year for NPHET as well as everyone in the country.
    I know people will say they are well paid , but yes , so they are , were before this too.
    Many others well paid in public service but don't really put themselves out there , when they could or should .


  • #1308
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    People killed themselves before covid as well. You can't blame every suicide on covid. I see people who are blaming every suicide on covid just because they are completely against any type of restrictions and pushing mental health and they'll be back telling people to man up after this is over.

    I knew someone who killed themselves a couple of months ago, people immediately were posting on Facebook blaming covid for it without knowing a clue about what happened. I have since seen his sister and she said he lost everything with a gambling problem and his marriage failed as result but sure people will still say it was covid to suit their agenda. No doubt people have taken their lives due to current situation but not everything is because of covid.

    I never said it was covid that caused the suicides I know of - I have no idea what caused it.


    What I HAVE noticed is an enormous uptick in genuine depression amongst my contacts, directly related to the pandemic and the impact it's had on them.

    Of course not everything is because of covid but similarly, you have no idea if suicides ARE because of what we've been living through.


    It's been taken as fact that the mental health of the population as a whole has taken a hit from this, so it's nothing to do with any agenda.


  • #1309
    nsnoefc1878
    Closed Accounts Posts: 596 ✭✭✭nsnoefc1878


    Thornysheep wrote: »
    To whom or what body are UL making a payment for these Garda patrols? I am not aware of any facility for a private person or body to pay for Gardai. Are they paying the Gardai directly? What if the Dalkey residents decide to pay the Gardai for patrols in their area while murder and mayhem take place elsewhere? Would this also be acceptable to some on here? The Gardai should be above all influence. This is both sinister and dangerous.
    It's utter bollox that they are paying Garda for that service.


  • #1310
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Rezident wrote: »
    It's too late for a lockdown like this, it should have happened a year ago before the virus got in to Ireland and infected so many people. About a third of people are ignoring this too-little-too-late lockdown, it's human nature.

    NPHET clearly stated today in their briefing that compliance was still very high. They've not observed a major reduction anywhere. Nolan even went more distinct to point out that high profile events were the making the public headlines but these were not reflective of what they were seeing in larger society. Even after all this time, everyone was still be being phenomenally compliant.


  • #1311
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Was thinking the exact same about the journalist from the independent. Some of the questions were just silly and when Glynn basically couldn't answer she reworded it and tried again. The tipping point was can you give a time for herd immunity, looking for fine details. How they deal with that sort of journalist is beyond me, some amount of patience

    It sells papers. You only have to look at many of the replies to threads here. People don't want to understand that this is a dynamic, evolving situation that is driven by data in regards to timeframes for openings. They want dates even if those are impossible to give and anyone proclaiming otherwise is a liar. It shows why politics ends up in the gutter when the person telling the truth gets slaughtered while those who lie just to give people what they want to hear end up heroes.


  • Advertisement
  • #1312
    nsnoefc1878
    Closed Accounts Posts: 596 ✭✭✭nsnoefc1878


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    That is in the previous articles and screenshot has been provided by them showing Gabriel Scally sent the group Saul Alinsky’s rules for activists which include sow doubt, fear and division, ridicule the person not an organisation as individuals are weaker than institutions, increases anxiety and unease - and many other gems of tips. It’s all there if you actually want to find it.

    He sent them a book, or recommended one, it's some leap from that to suggest he was telling them to do everything mentioned in the book. Good grief.


  • #1313
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    Encouraging news from that poll that 80% would take the vaccine tomorrow. 14% said no.

    Higher than anticipated. I suspect the thought of it ending lockdown pushed it up.


  • #1314
    Hespy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭Hespy


    544972.jpg


  • #1315
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,398 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    George Lee waffling on RTE News now about 20 different variants, all that's missing is a weaker variant.


  • #1316
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,171 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    George Lee waffling on RTE News now about 20 different variants, all that's missing is a weaker variant.

    I'm sick of the sight of his head at this stage.


  • #1317
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,072 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Hespy wrote: »
    544972.jpg

    It’s interesting that the vast majority of posts here against those guys are essentially just insults. It’s like people don’t like their opinions but can’t come up with good reasons why they are wrong.


  • #1318
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    jackboy wrote: »
    It’s interesting that the vast majority of posts here against those guys are essentially just insults. It’s like people don’t like their opinions but can’t come up with good reasons why they are wrong.

    The insults and name distortions are childish but some of those guys aforementioned have effectively being spouting irresponsible rhetoric that may inspire vaccine hesitancy.


  • #1319
    amlinopta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭amlinopta


    George has found another new variant on the nine o’clock news. Comical at this stage.


  • #1320
    Hespy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭Hespy


    jackboy wrote: »
    It’s interesting that the vast majority of posts here against those guys are essentially just insults. It’s like people don’t like their opinions but can’t come up with good reasons why they are wrong.

    Tomás "I infer causality exclusively from correlation" Ryan
    Anthony "It's only like the flu when the comparison doesn't suit my negative outlook" Stains
    Sam "I myself am a virus" McConkey
    Gerry "freezer truck morges with 35000 bodies" Killeen

    There you are!


  • Advertisement
  • #1321
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    PmMeUrDogs wrote: »
    I never said it was covid that caused the suicides I know of - I have no idea what caused it.


    What I HAVE noticed is an enormous uptick in genuine depression amongst my contacts, directly related to the pandemic and the impact it's had on them.

    Of course not everything is because of covid but similarly, you have no idea if suicides ARE because of what we've been living through.


    It's been taken as fact that the mental health of the population as a whole has taken a hit from this, so it's nothing to do with any agenda.

    You implied multiple people you knew killed themselves because of covid while only one person you knew died of covid.

    And just because people are unhappy and fed up at the current restrictions doesn't mean they all have depression.


This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement