Golf Lockdown Discussion No discussion of breaking Restrictions

CalamariFritti · 22-02-2021 02:16PM

If we're not back to golf March 5th I'd be seriously disappointed (understatement). Wherever one stands on restrictions in general not allowing golf requires very serious mental gymnastics.

Now that they talked themselves into a corner last week they'll have to give people some reprieve or they will lose public support very quickly. If golf isn't included in that reprieve I dont know what would be.

I have tee times booked starting March 5th. Just in case. Doesnt mean I'm actually confident, nothing surprises me anymore in this.

ronnie3585 · 22-02-2021 02:35PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

If we're not back to golf March 5th I'd be seriously disappointed (understatement). Wherever one stands on restrictions in general not allowing golf requires very serious mental gymnastics.

I think a return to golf on 5 March is highly unlikely.

Restrictions are only going to be eased in line with vaccination numbers, not infection/hospital numbers any more. Considering that Britain is significantly ahead of us in terms of vaccination and their golf courses won't open until 29 March, I think we'll be doing well to get back on the course before May.

CalamariFritti · 22-02-2021 02:41PM

ronnie3585 wrote: »

I think a return to golf on 5 March is highly unlikely.

Restrictions are only going to be eased in line with vaccination numbers, not infection/hospital numbers any more. Considering that Britain is significantly ahead of us in terms of vaccination and their golf courses won't open until 29 March, I think we'll be doing well to get back on the course before May.

Mmmh, you state quite matter of factly. Why do you think that?

gypsy79 · 22-02-2021 03:07PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Mmmh, you state quite matter of factly. Why do you think that?

Stop feeding the troll....nothing has changed

ICU numbers is most important.

My understanding is that roughly 50-70% of people currently in ICU will die. But death is long and drawn out.

The 150 people in ICU is the most important number, followed closely by case numbers as this a measure of future people who will go in ICU

If it were based on vaccinations then we would know the road map as we know when people will be vaccinated

Was half expecting to get vaccinated myself on Thursday but just been informed that wont be happening

ronnie3585 · 22-02-2021 04:04PM

gypsy79 wrote: »

Stop feeding the troll....nothing has changed

Trolling

The tone and focus from political leaders, NPHET and the HSE has now moved firmly away from infection rates/hospitalisation to vaccination rates being the KPI that will determine when restrictions are eased. Paul Reid's comments on Claire Byrne's show this morning is a good example of this.

It's pointless lifting this lockdown now, only to be thrown into a new one in a couple of weeks when the numbers inevitably spike, costing more lives and putting front line staff through the ringer yet again. What will stop these awful spikes, we all hope, are the vaccinations - and until such time as they're rolled out in greater numbers it's hard to see any easing.

gypsy79 · 22-02-2021 04:21PM

ronnie3585 wrote: »

Trolling

The tone and focus from political leaders, NPHET and the HSE has now moved firmly away from infection rates/hospitalisation to vaccination rates being the KPI that will determine when restrictions are eased. Paul Reid's comments on Claire Byrne's show this morning is a good example of this.

It's pointless lifting this lockdown now, only to be thrown into a new one in a couple of weeks when the numbers inevitably spike, costing more lives and putting front line staff through the ringer yet again. What will stop these awful spikes, we all hope, are the vaccinations - and until such time as they're rolled out in greater numbers it's hard to see any easing.

Vaccinations only protect against spikes. The main drivers are still ICU capacity and case numbers. Case numbers have stopped coming down is the reason for slowdown in reopening

R number is somewhere between 0.9 and 1. Opening schools will presumably throw it above 1. But with at risk groups vaccinated the hospitalisation rate should decrease

You are making statements of fact from the tone of peoples voices and choosing information to back that decision you have made

We are simply waiting for a number of people to die

Kid Charlemagne · 22-02-2021 04:42PM

ronnie3585 wrote: »

Trolling

It's pointless lifting this lockdown now,

Agreed - except where it pertains to people being able to get out and exercise in a safe distanced manner.
Lockdown on golf, tennis, outdoor family excursions to beaches/parks or whatever - not needed and only punishing the decent people who respect the dangers.
Should be lifted asap and I expect them to be lifted around Easter. (though if it was up to me would never have been banned anyway.)

B-D-P-- · 22-02-2021 07:19PM

Fine Gael Senator, Sean Kyne, calls for exemption to 5km travel limit for golfers and sea swimmers.

A terrible call, ya can't single out golf and swimming, exclude hiking, walking, tennis and other non contact sports and expect it to be well received..

If he made a better argument then this would be good news, but singleing out golf will only bring out the argumentative in non golfers..

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fine-gael-senator-calls-for-exemption-to-5km-travel-limit-for-golfers-and-sea-swimmers-1.4491905

ForeRight · 22-02-2021 08:11PM

Junior, senior, first and second class back to school March. Exam years back too but all other primary and secondary classes after Easter.

Golf to be reviewed or opening mid April.

Fingers crossed for Easter.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40231649.html

gypsy79 · 22-02-2021 08:13PM

ForeRight wrote: »

Junior, senior, first and second class back to school March. Exam years back too but all other primary and secondary classes after Easter.

Golf to be reviewed or opening mid April.

Fingers crossed for Easter.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40231649.html

Again someones opinion...not based on fact

Its as valid as someone heres opinion

Mushy · 22-02-2021 08:48PM

Can't think of a specific thread for this, but when do people think golf shops will be reopening? Never paid attention to it for other lockdowns, assume they fall under the non-essential retail banner but could be wrong.

I also assume its better to get fitted for a new driver rather than just get one online?

gypsy79 · 22-02-2021 08:50PM

Mushy wrote: »

Can't think of a specific thread for this, but when do people think golf shops will be reopening? Never paid attention to it for other lockdowns, assume they fall under the non-essential retail banner but could be wrong.

I also assume its better to get fitted for a new driver rather than just get one online?

Obviously better get fitted when parting with that amount of cash

You got to guess it will be long after golf courses open

Mushy · 22-02-2021 08:59PM

gypsy79 wrote: »

Obviously better get fitted when parting with that amount of cash

You got to guess it will be long after golf courses open

Yeah thats my thinking, although no doubt something else will come up before then to push it out again

slingerz · 22-02-2021 09:18PM

I think there’s a lot of doom mongering going on at present. Last year golf opened up at the end of June and things went grand then.

I do see April as being the turning point really. People will be so fed up of restrictions at that point that they will have to make concessions. Golf/tennis will be low hanging fruit

Remember golf was back well before GAA last year which inspired a quantity of the new members

Macker1 · 22-02-2021 09:31PM

flanzer wrote: »

I've been called a pessimist by my mates right from the start of this, but as I said to them, they were confusing pessimism with realism. Most of my calls were correct in how the pandemic panned out with respect to travel, pubs and change to indoor behaviours. It didn't come as a surprise to me, the current golf lockdown

I'm looking at the weather today, and feel like there's only positivity on the horizon, and I fully believe the roadmap may change quite quickly too. While the government messages haven't been that clear, there is no point in turning to the anti-government side in order for clarity, as that side if full of noise, and just as incoherent, and not helping anyone. It seems to be amplified due to social media too.

Looking at Israel now, the turnaround seems to be quite dramatic. I'd say we'll see those type of numbers in the UK, come the mid to end of March. We've already been promised 1m vaccines administered in each month of April, May and June, but the number of hospitalisations, will have dramatically dropped by mid April here, leading me to believe, something will happen here from Easter regarding golf.

Having a border with the UK, was a disadvantage to us, for the past year, now I think differently. The UK having a border with us, is now a disadvantage to them, considering the speed of their vaccination programme. They'll have excess vaccines come the mid to end of June, and it's their interests to supply those vaccines to their bordering neighbour

All in all, March is a wipe out, for sure, but I'm optimistic (realistic) thereafter. One thing for certain, within reason, I'll never ever turn down a game of golf again!

Bear in mind that the UK have vaccinated people using a single dose strategy when in fact a second dose is required. The efficacy of the single dose drops quite a bit without the follow up boost that the second dose provides. The second dose will happen but is being delayed so as to improve vaccinated numbers. I'm lucky enough to have received my two doses and I can tell you that the second dose definitely had a much different effect to the first.

hurikane · 22-02-2021 09:38PM

Macker1 wrote: »

Bear in mind that the UK have vaccinated people using a single dose strategy when in fact a second dose is required. The efficacy of the single dose drops quite a bit without the follow up boost that the second dose provides. The second dose will happen but is being delayed so as to improve vaccinated numbers. I'm lucky enough to have received my two doses and I can tell you that the second dose definitely had a much different effect to the first.

Can you feel the immunity coursing through your veins after the second dose?

Golfhead65 · 22-02-2021 09:38PM

Macker1 wrote: »

Bear in mind that the UK have vaccinated people using a single dose strategy when in fact a second dose is required. The efficacy of the single dose drops quite a bit without the follow up boost that the second dose provides. The second dose will happen but is being delayed so as to improve vaccinated numbers. I'm lucky enough to have received my two doses and I can tell you that the second dose definitely had a much different effect to the first.

How was it different. Just wondering

FixdePitchmark · 22-02-2021 09:39PM

Macker1 wrote: »

Bear in mind that the UK have vaccinated people using a single dose strategy when in fact a second dose is required. The efficacy of the single dose drops quite a bit without the follow up boost that the second dose provides. The second dose will happen but is being delayed so as to improve vaccinated numbers. I'm lucky enough to have received my two doses and I can tell you that the second dose definitely had a much different effect to the first.

Did you have side effects Macker ?

22-02-2021 09:39PM

slingerz wrote: »

Last year golf opened up at the end of June and things went grand then.
rs

It opened on 18th of May i think.

Macker1 · 22-02-2021 09:50PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Did you have side effects Macker ?

First Dose nothing but a sore arm for a day comparable to getting the flu jab.

Second dose hit me a lot more a day after getting it. A lot of aches and pains and flu like symptoms with headaches and some tiredness on the second day. This had passed by the following day and I've been fine ever since (about two weeks ago)

Most people in the job took up the option of getting vaccinated and based on just my team around 40% had some effects with some of those unable to stay in work.

It hasn't changed anything for me as the restrictions are still in place in work and until the vaccination levels in the country are a lot higher it won't make a blind bit of difference. I would have given up getting the jabs if I could have given my mother my place. I wish they would hurry up.

Macker1 · 22-02-2021 09:51PM

hurikane wrote: »

Can you feel the immunity coursing through your veins after the second dose?

I felt bulletproof overnight

ForeRight · 22-02-2021 10:25PM

Macker1 wrote: »

I felt bulletproof overnight

I had a temp a bad headache and chills 24hrs after mine but when I woke the next day I was fresh as a daisy.

FixdePitchmark · 22-02-2021 11:09PM

ForeRight wrote: »

I had a temp a bad headache and chills 24hrs after mine but when I woke the next day I was fresh as a daisy.

None of this sounds great .

It sounds like getting mild covid . What you get anyway.

ForeRight · 22-02-2021 11:42PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

None of this sounds great .

It sounds like getting mild covid . What you get anyway.

Most vaccines have minor effects like this. 2 paracetamol and it’s fine sure most kids get a bit of a temp after their shots. That’s how vaccines work I suppose. They promote any immuno response.
I wouldn’t class it as getting mild covid as I’ve heard of nobody I work with having any respiratory issues after it at all. Just a few people with temps and a little headache lasting a couple of hours. I’d say maybe 1/10 people.
I got Astrazenica.

boardise · 23-02-2021 12:01AM

B-D-P-- wrote: »

Fine Gael Senator, Sean Kyne, calls for exemption to 5km travel limit for golfers and sea swimmers.

A terrible call, ya can't single out golf and swimming, exclude hiking, walking, tennis and other non contact sports and expect it to be well received..

If he made a better argument then this would be good news, but singleing out golf will only bring out the argumentative in non golfers..

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fine-gael-senator-calls-for-exemption-to-5km-travel-limit-for-golfers-and-sea-swimmers-1.4491905

Truth in what you say but bear in mind he made particular reference to retirees -who would' be a large proportion of the golfing cohort especially on weekdays.

boardise · 23-02-2021 12:12AM

slingerz wrote: »

I think there’s a lot of doom mongering going on at present. Last year golf opened up at the end of June and things went grand then.

I do see April as being the turning point really. People will be so fed up of restrictions at that point that they will have to make concessions. Golf/tennis will be low hanging fruit

Remember golf was back well before GAA last year which inspired a quantity of the new members

Just for the record - golf was back last year at the end of May ...subject to 5 km limit then in place.
Source ? ...my diary !

Bill Ponderosa · 23-02-2021 07:17AM

Level 5 extended until at least Easter. Hopefully that's the end of it.

FixdePitchmark · 23-02-2021 08:12AM

boardise wrote: »

Just for the record - golf was back last year at the end of May ...subject to 5 km limit then in place.
Source ? ...my diary !

Could be old age or a side effect of covid and zoom. But I've lost memory of all the sequence. Most of these in there.

4 ball 12 minutes
3 ball every 10 ?
2 ball at one point
Back and front 9 hole golf
18 hole and 9 hole
18 hole only
People just playing when closed
5km only
People ignoring 5km only period
Clubs stopping no 5k
Lads back from Spain golf
No practice
No clubhouse
Clubhouse
Lads drinking in car park golf
No visitors
No competition
Competition with cards
No cards
E cards
And digital score cards
Flag in
Inverted cups
Ball removal tools
No bunkers. No raking . Plastic rake
Even masks at one point by some
Northern Ireland golf
A piss up at golf gate

You'd have to say . Wasn't by lack of trying.

ClutchIt · 23-02-2021 09:43AM

Irish times today, level 5 to be extended till Apr 5th. I'm hopeful that golf should be allowed at that time

plumber77 · 23-02-2021 09:57AM

ClutchIt wrote: »

Irish times today, level 5 to be extended till Apr 5th. I'm hopeful that golf should be allowed at that time

Just in time for the Masters. Would be like Xmas for golfers IF that was to happen

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