Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01

am_zarathustra · 22-02-2021 10:49PM

Neagra wrote: »

the mantra was nphet would declare when it was safe to open the schools, they were the scientists, please follow the science
but now that time is here and nphet have said its safe.
but oh no the teachers are now the true sages.

i ask you - how can you post such hypocritical tosh

What teachers are saying we shouldn't go back?

A few parents have said they won't send their JI kids back, absolutely within their rights and I'd agree with them but that's irrelevant. All the teachers seem fine with going back........the professionals that they are

Beasty · 22-02-2021 10:51PM

Neagra wrote: »

if its not a vocation and its definitely not a profession, does that mean its just a job.
wow thats depressing, expected more

Threadbanned

I am going to work through other posts by this user and further action may be forthcoming

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 22-02-2021 10:55PM

Obviously I'll be going in to teach 6th years next wk.

Won't be sending my kids to school or preschool tho, don't think its safe enuf yet.

People free to do as they choose. After Easter, after enuf time to assess the numbers will do just fine.

We're lucky in that we can do this and they're happy out at home. Won't be a permanent move clearly but it's how we've assessed the situation for now.

wirelessdude01 · 22-02-2021 11:03PM

Cabinet meeting pushed to the afternoon tomorrow instead of the morning. Party leaders are to meet in the morning. Sounds like they still haven't decided with regards to schools.

Teacher2020 · 22-02-2021 11:12PM

I genuinely can't see them being foolish enough to open the 4 classes where social distancing isn't recommended.
Maybe 2 would be acceptable but 4 seems rash.
I do think that they should open 5th and 6th - with all pupils and teachers wearing masks.
I think that children from 1st class up should be wearing masks also when they return.
WHO says that children 6 and over can safely wear masks. Anyone who says a child cannot wear a mask is seriously underestimating children. Children are way more resilient to change than we are as adults!

Lisha · 22-02-2021 11:13PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Cabinet meeting pushed to the afternoon tomorrow instead of the morning. Party leaders are to meet in the morning. Sounds like they still haven't decided with regards to schools.

It’s a crystal ball they, indeed we all need. And no matter what choice they make, they will be seen as wrong by many.

Sammy2012 · 22-02-2021 11:13PM

Teacher2020 wrote: »

I genuinely can't see them being foolish enough to open the 4 classes where social distancing isn't recommended.
Maybe 2 would be acceptable but 4 seems rash.
I do think that they should open 5th and 6th - with all pupils and teachers wearing masks.
I think that children from 1st class up should be wearing masks also when they return.
WHO says that children 6 and over can safely wear masks. Anyone who says a child cannot wear a mask is seriously underestimating children. Children are way more resilient to change than we are as adults!

According to the indo its a done deal. Juniors to 2nd along with LC back on Monday.

Warbeastrior · 22-02-2021 11:13PM

Neagra wrote:

the mantra was nphet would declare when it was safe to open the schools, they were the scientists, please follow the science but now that time is here and nphet have said its safe. but oh no the teachers are now the true sages.

i ask you - how can you post such hypocritical tosh

1. You don't answer my question.
2. I never said anything about Nphet so don't know what you're talking about regarding hypocrisy.

Mrsmum · 22-02-2021 11:16PM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

According to the indo its a done deal. Juniors to 2nd along with LC back on Monday.

Listening to The Tonight Show, journalist outside Leinster House also made it sound very much a done deal.

Warbeastrior · 22-02-2021 11:17PM

Itd be interesting to see how leaving certs feel about going back.

The few I've heard from are loving the remote teaching style. A few are uncomfortable going back with the level of cases still about. Those that don't go back won't be eligible to any support which is fair. Teachers can't be teaching kids that are in school and kids that are at home.

I haven't heard much giving out tho so the majority must be happy to go back

wirelessdude01 · 22-02-2021 11:17PM

Lisha wrote: »

It’s a crystal ball they, indeed we all need. And no matter what choice they make, they will be seen as wrong by many.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Whatever they do, some group will be discomoded.

Sammy2012 · 22-02-2021 11:42PM

Is anyone watching Stephen Donnelly on CB? There is no deal on reopening. They are still in talks with the unions. And Josepha Madigan was on Drivetime this evening saying schools will definitely open on Monday with Juniors to 2nd class and LC!!! WTAF????

Sammy2012 · 22-02-2021 11:43PM

Oh and it's the unions who are causing the delay!!!! Implied without saying it directly.

downthemiddle · 22-02-2021 11:44PM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Is anyone watching Stephen Donnelly on CB? There is no deal on reopening. They are still in talks with the unions. And Josepha Madigan was on Drivetime this evening saying schools will definitely open on Monday with Juniors to 2nd class and LC!!! WTAF????

It seems NPHET has advised JI and SI only. Norma wants 1st and 2nd too. Here we go again.

irishproduce · 22-02-2021 11:44PM

Claire Byrne "is it the unions again"

Cluedo Monopoly · 22-02-2021 11:44PM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Is anyone watching Stephen Donnelly on CB? There is no deal on reopening. They are still in talks with the unions. And Josepha Madigan was on Drivetime this evening saying schools will definitely open on Monday with Juniors to 2nd class and LC!!! WTAF????

Yep. Embarassing. Donnelly suggesting unions not on board?

Sammy2012 · 22-02-2021 11:45PM

downthemiddle wrote: »

It seems NPHET has advised JI and SI only. Norma wants 1st and 2nd too. Here we go again.

Yes he did say that. Can they not just listen to NPHET? I mean they went against them at Christmas and look what happened...

Sammy2012 · 22-02-2021 11:46PM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Yep. Embarassing. Donnelly suggesting unions not on board?

Fairly obvious that's what he meant. He's giving very little away! He doesn't know anything apparently!!!!! He's not aware of any problem why the meeting has been pushed back to the afternoon...

wirelessdude01 · 22-02-2021 11:47PM

downthemiddle wrote: »

It seems NPHET has advised JI and SI only. Norma wants 1st and 2nd too. Here we go again.

The above is very clear. NPHET have been clear in the language they have used when asked at their pressers over the past number of weeks. A cautious and phased reopening is the phrase always used when asked about schools. They don't want half of primary kids back in one fell swoop.

jimbobaloobob · 22-02-2021 11:48PM

Warbeastrior wrote: »

Itd be interesting to see how leaving certs feel about going back.

The few I've heard from are loving the remote teaching style.

I know a few families who have children with autism who are in mainstream in both primary and secondary, they've said they never have had as much enthusiasm from their child with learning. A lot of people forget that for some, distance from others is something they cant control in school and the variabilities like classroom environment, noise levels, anxieties over travel to and from school.

SusanC10 · 22-02-2021 11:50PM

I really really don't understand why the Government including all those "Sources" cannot just say - There will be an announcement on Tuesday 23rd. That's it. End of. Until the actual announcement.

We had a family discussion tonight on the return to school in-person. Decision taken - both kids will be at home with us until earliest April 12th. All of us have had enough of the speculation.

km79 · 22-02-2021 11:52PM

Oh Norma Norma Norma
Here we go again

wirelessdude01 · 22-02-2021 11:54PM

km79 wrote: »

Oh Norma Norma Norma
Here we go again

Bull in a china shop syndrome again. Still smarting from her put down after Christmas.

CruelSummer · 23-02-2021 12:03AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

The above is very clear. NPHET have been clear in the language they have used when asked at their pressers over the past number of weeks. A cautious and phased reopening is the phrase always used when asked about schools. They don't want half of primary kids back in one fell swoop.

How would this work in the many small schools where one teacher teaches Junior Infants to 2nd?

lulublue22 · 23-02-2021 12:03AM

Neagra wrote: »

what business is it of yours if i make it my business?

I think that’s your problem it’s got sfa to do with you - you don’t get to dictate whether the teacher is in school or not. But by all means knock yourself out with your saucy email - the principal could probably do with a good laugh.

Warbeastrior · 23-02-2021 12:05AM

jimbobaloobob wrote:

I know a few families who have children with autism who are in mainstream in both primary and secondary, they've said they never have had as much enthusiasm from their child with learning. A lot of people forget that for some, distance from others is something they cant control in school and the variabilities like classroom environment, noise levels, anxieties over travel to and from school.

Very true. I heard today that a Mum of a leaving cert was saying that her daughter is loving the peace from the drama that her friends group drum up when they are at school.
The Mum never knew it affected her daughter as much as it did.

Warbeastrior · 23-02-2021 12:05AM

lulublue22 wrote:

I think thatâ€™s your problem itâ€™s got sfa to do with you - you donâ€™t get to dictate whether the teacher is in school or not. But by all means knock yourself out with your saucy email - the principal could probably do with a good laugh.

He's been banned so I wouldn't waste your time.

wirelessdude01 · 23-02-2021 12:10AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

How would this work in the many small schools where one teacher teaches Junior Infants to 2nd?

What about the classes where 2nd and 3rd are in the same room? Those classes exist as well in plenty of 5 and 6 teacher schools.

As I said earlier whatever they do someone will disagree, someone will feel put out someone will have a different opinion.

the corpo · 23-02-2021 12:12AM

Claire Byrne said that NPHET did not recommend 1st and 2nd class returning, and Stephen Donnelly entirely ducked the question, are the Government ignoring the NPHET advice again?

When are NPHET's letters to Gov usually published?

wirelessdude01 · 23-02-2021 12:14AM

the corpo wrote: »

Claire Byrne said that NPHET did not recommend 1st and 2nd class returning, and Stephen Donnelly entirely ducked the question, are the Government ignoring the NPHET advice again?

When are NPHET's letters to Gov usually published?

I'd be fairly sure that good old Norma is looking to ram through as big an opening as she can force through.

Nearly certain that letter is already in the public domain and mentions juniors, seniors and 6th years.

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Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01