Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

Wombatman

Hard to believe this kinda sh1te is still going on at this stage. Clueless gobsheens.

https://twitter.com/ClaireByrneLive/status/1363988234271924227

yrreg0850

The minister is still "negotiating" with the teaching unions.

It is about time the government and, not the teaching unions decided when schools reopened.

downthemiddle

yrreg0850 wrote: »

The minister is still "negotiating" with the teaching unions.

It is about time the government and, not the teaching unions decided when schools reopened.

It is also about time the government followed public health advice on the reopening of schools.

khalessi

Norma Foley frustrated as she has been engaged with all the stakeholders.

Ha!! I wonder if it is in her usual style, turn up late stay 5 minutes or just throw a hissy fit

Warbeastrior

I threw this up to Neagra earlier but I'll put it out there again.

In the last two weeks, nearly 2500 children have contracted the virus.
Now the plan is to put upwards of 25 of them in a cramped room without any masks.

How on earth can this be considered safe?
I feel like Mugatu from Zoolander; "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!!!"

PeterPan92

khalessi wrote: »

Norma Foley frustrated as she has been engaged with all the stakeholders.

Ha!! I wonder if it is in her usual style, turn up late stay 5 minutes or just throw a hissy fit

I don't understand how hard it is for her to just follow public health advice.

Treppen

CruelSummer wrote: »

How would this work in the many small schools where one teacher teaches Junior Infants to 2nd?

You phase in the return! As per advice.

khalessi

PeterPan92 wrote: »

I don't understand how hard it is for her to just follow public health advice.

I think she is on a mission to prove herself in the post as a new minister even if it means using bullying tactics to get her own way

threescompany

This is incredibly frustrating & shocking .... Foley is still “negotiating” with the unions.

The government have no backbone. No decision making skills. They must call the shots and just make a decision based on the advice presented to them from NPHET. Plain & simple.

dirkmeister

khalessi wrote: »

I think she is on a mission to prove herself in the post as a new minister even if it means using bullying tactics to get her own way

She’s on the children’s side, Khalessi.

I think it’s great that she is, can’t wait to see the EPSEN Act finally commenced in its entirety.

khalessi

threescompany wrote: »

This is incredibly frustrating & shocking .... Foley is still “negotiating” with the unions.

The government have no backbone. No decision making skills. They must call the shots and just make a decision based on the advice presented to them from NPHET. Plain & simple.

Appaarently NPHET advised reopening for Jnr and Snr Infants and NF trying to push for 1st and 2nd too. In some schools that is the entire school so it would not be a phased reopening.

It is bad enough there are no new enhanced safety measures put in place to deal with the new more tranmissible variant B117

Ray Donovan

Is this possible....
NPHET recommended JI & SI
Norma wants JI to 2nd for a “win”
Norma doesn’t realise that this in lots of cases would mean full school reopenings, hence the last minute hitch?

threescompany

khalessi wrote: »

Appaarently NPHET advised reopening for Jnr and Snr Infants and NF trying to push for 1st and 2nd too. In some schools that is the entire school so it would not be a phased reopening.

It is bad enough there are no new enhanced safety measures put in place to deal with the new more tranmissible variant B117

Yes I just read NEPHET recommended junior / senior infants so I’m puzzled why are they even considering 1st /2nd also? Surely the easiest option for the government is to take Nephets advice.

wirelessdude01

threescompany wrote: »

Yes I just read NEPHET recommended junior / senior infants so I’m puzzled why are they even considering 1st /2nd also? Surely the easiest option for the government is to take Nephets advice.

What could go wrong if they don't?

the corpo

the corpo wrote: »

Claire Byrne said that NPHET did not recommend 1st and 2nd class returning, and Stephen Donnelly entirely ducked the question, are the Government ignoring the NPHET advice again?

When are NPHET's letters to Gov usually published?

After decisions are made

khalessi

threescompany wrote: »

Yes I just read NEPHET recommended junior / senior infants so I’m puzzled why are they even considering 1st /2nd also? Surely the easiest option for the government is to take Nephets advice.

Nope, better to accuse unions and slate teachers as the problem all apart of agenda, NF reopening schools and conquering unions

Ray Donovan

https://twitter.com/donnellystephen/status/1364005337729290250?s=21

Not for the first time Stephen Donnelly got things arseways!!

KrustyUCC

Ray Donovan wrote: »

https://twitter.com/donnellystephen/status/1364005337729290250?s=21

Not for the first time Stephen Donnelly got things arseways!!

He's some fool and yet is Minister for Health

combat14

if norma wont follow nphet advice its time to keep the community safe for now and schools completely closed until proper safety measures are in place

Midnight Sundance

Ray Donovan wrote: »

https://twitter.com/donnellystephen/status/1364005337729290250?s=21

Not for the first time Stephen Donnelly got things arseways!!

Did I hear him correctly in a post or two up from this where he said to Claire B that he had only checked 2 hours before the interview what he could and couldn't say
If the talks had concluded in the afternoon then who or how did he get word that they were still underway in the evening time.
Seriously this government can not get it together.
I read a comment from someone earlier and it's so true! If the government told me tomorrow is Wednesday, I'd have to get the calendar out to double check.
You actually can't believe a word that's coming out of any of their mouths. I wish they would all shut the f up and just say wait until the announcement. All this speculation is driving me nuts!!!!

I've always suspected the government are leaking the reopening plans so much knowing full well its not going to happen, so at the last minute they can blame the big bad teachers and nphet for saying its not safe. Then they can say they were all for it

Locotastic

combat14 wrote: »

if norma wont follow nphet advice its time to keep the community safe for now and schools completely closed until proper safety measures are in place

Where did Nphet say schools shouldn't be opened?

Random sample

The deflection of that question was ridiculous. Even if it was true that the unions were still talking, that’s not what he was asked.

lulublue22

Locotastic wrote: »

Where did Nphet say schools shouldn't be opened?

They said ( apparently) that ji / si should return. NF wants ji - 2nd class to return. That is a sizeable difference and whatever way you look at it is not following NPHET advice. At this stage I feel we have a better chance of reopening schools and keeping them open if the gov actually follow PH advice. It didn’t end up too well the last time the gov went on a solo run now did it.

wirelessdude01

Random sample wrote: »

The deflection of that question was ridiculous. Even if it was true that the unions were still talking, that’s not what he was asked.

Setting the narrative.

mcsean2163

Making a statement in the Commons, the Prime Minister said: “The threat remains substantial with the numbers in hospital only now beginning to fall below the peak of the first wave in April.

“But we are able to take these steps because of the resolve of the British people and the extraordinary success of our NHS in vaccinating more than 17.5 million people across the UK.”

He added that “no vaccine can ever be 100% effective”, telling MPs: “So, as the modelling released by Sage today shows, we cannot escape the fact that lifting lockdown will result in more cases, more hospitalisations and sadly more deaths.

“And this would happen whenever lockdown is lifted – whether now or in six or nine months – because there will always be some vulnerable people who are not protected by the vaccines.

“There is therefore no credible route to a zero Covid Britain, or indeed, a zero Covid world and we cannot persist indefinitely with restrictions that debilitate our economy, our physical and mental wellbeing and the life chances of our children.”


Hats off to Boris Johnson, hopefully we'll all emerge from covid19 land and accept that there are risks in life.

lulublue22

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Setting thr narrative.

Something this gov is fairly good at to be fair- it’s always someone else's fault.

Locotastic

lulublue22 wrote: »

They said ( apparently) that ji / si should return. NF wants ji - 2nd class to return. That is a sizeable difference and whatever way you look at it is not following NPHET advice. At this stage I feel we have a better chance of reopening schools and keeping them open if the gov actually follow PH advice. It didn’t end up too well the last time the gov went on a solo run now did it.

Where did Nphet say only Junior and Senior infants should go back?

KrustyUCC

https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1364113349819121665

Harry Palmr

Ray Donovan wrote: »

https://twitter.com/donnellystephen/status/1364005337729290250?s=21

Not for the first time Stephen Donnelly got things arseways!!

Literally should be fired out of a cannon. Did he just go on national tv without checking?

KrustyUCC

The funny thing is he said he clarified things to be up to date