Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

penny piper

Mrsmum wrote: »

It's done in my son's school.

It hasn't been done where my daughter teaches yet....

Lashes28

penny piper wrote: »

Seemingly the unions have done nothing to clarify safety issues ....It's also very poor that teachers have to learn about their return to work through the media.

I'm sorry but do you think any other sector, retail, hospitality, construction learns about back to work dates, policies,any other way only through the media?

PeterPan92

Stateofyou wrote: »

I didn't know that. :eek:
WTF.
So you're saying the INTO union pulled out the rug from under their own feet and now they can't even serve the purpose they were created for? How...?!
Have you or anyone a link to this info, something is very weird here.

Yeah, and the INTO pushed for a yes vote. In essence, they have screwed over every member, but especially 2011-2018 graduates who will now never know pay equality. The only ones who truly benefit are those already retired, who got another bump to their already substantial pensions.



It was all over Voice for Teachers in the weeks on the run up, the actual implications the INTO were willingly ignoring. But it passed 80/20.

penny piper

Lashes28 wrote: »

I'm sorry but do you think any other sector, retail, hospitality, construction learns about back to work dates, policies,any other way only through the media?

Well they shouldn't .... I also understood the government had said teachers would get two weeks notice before schools opened up again....

pc7

In meetings all morning (sorry so don't have time to check back). Are junior/senior infants confirmed as back 1st March? thanks.

Theboinkmaster

pc7 wrote: »

In meetings all morning (sorry so don't have time to check back). Are junior/senior infants confirmed as back 1st March? thanks.

Seems like that will be announced today.

If it is, I will be thrilled - only 1 weeks after when I thought they would go back after mid-term.

This will have a massive positive impact on a lot of families.

SusanC10

pc7 wrote: »

In meetings all morning (sorry so don't have time to check back). Are junior/senior infants confirmed as back 1st March? thanks.

I think MM is going to address the Nation later today so I am assuming that the formal announcement will be then.

Deeec

Slightly off topic - The rain is pelting against the windows here and the wind is so so strong its scary.
Imagine being in a classroom today with all the windows open!! Thank god the kids are at home.

wirelessdude01

Deeec wrote: »

Slightly off topic - The rain is pelting against the windows here and the wind is so so strong its scary.
Imagine being in a classroom today with all the windows open!! Thank god the kids are at home.

Weather playing absolute puck with the ability to stream today so has been abandoned for the rest of the day. Kids dropping in and out, audio and video totally out of sync. Totally unworkable today.

jrosen

I’m in the wear base layers, fingerless gloves and the cold never killed anyone bracket. So I’m ok with windows open. However not all learning environments will work if the kids are freezing and miserable. We’ve lovely sideways rain here today and not a chance it’s not getting in windows if they were open.
Spring is around the corner, days warming up I would have thought keep the kids off untill windows can be open all day, lessons can be taken outside.
I don’t know what the answer is. I would have felt older kids are a little bit easier to control from a hygiene perspective/ more aware of boundaries plus can wear masks. I would have pushed for the older primary kids to return before the younger. I do think ji - second is a lot of kids.

KrustyUCC

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Ji to second class is not a phased return in primary, ridiculous

Of course it's a phased reopening

There's two phases for the majority of primary schools

https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1364113349819121665

My town has 5 primary schools

All will be going back half on 1st and half on the 15th

khalessi

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Of course it's a phased reopening

There's two phases for the majority of primary schools

https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1364113349819121665

My town has 5 primary schools

All will be going back half on 1st and half on the 15th

Having Jnr -2nd is not phased reopening because for some schools that is the entire school filled to capacity

Mrsmum

khalessi wrote: »

Having Jnr -2nd is not phased reopening because for some schools that is the entire school filled to capacity

I've never heard of those schools that only go to 2nd class. Is there many of them around ?

Lillyfae

khalessi wrote: »

Having Jnr -2nd is not phased reopening because for some schools that is the entire school filled to capacity

How do they normally accommodate JI to sixth class?

KrustyUCC

khalessi wrote: »

Having Jnr -2nd is not phased reopening because for some schools that is the entire school filled to capacity

That's a very small minority of schools

After three months off only half the primary schools kids will be returning on Monday and only 1/6 of the secondary schools classes

That's a phased reopening

Stateofyou

PeterPan92 wrote: »

Yeah, and the INTO pushed for a yes vote. In essence, they have screwed over every member, but especially 2011-2018 graduates who will now never know pay equality. The only ones who truly benefit are those already retired, who got another bump to their already substantial pensions.



It was all over Voice for Teachers in the weeks on the run up, the actual implications the INTO were willingly ignoring. But it passed 80/20.

:eek:

Why did so many vote yes? Is it mandatory for Primary teachers to be members of INTO?

Lillyfae

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Weather playing absolute puck with the ability to stream today so has been abandoned for the rest of the day. Kids dropping in and out, audio and video totally out of sync. Totally unworkable today.

But education has been fully catered for for all children since January, right?

hesaidshesaid

Lillyfae wrote: »

But education has been fully catered for for all children since January, right?

When internet issues arise, they affect every sector working from home. Every sector.

alwayswright

The Jr infants to 2nd class plan is far from a staggered opening.

The majority of schools in Ireland are organised in such a way that classes are grouped together according to class range. This means we will end up with a lot of schools full to capacity on one side, and completely empty on the other.

TTLF

penny piper wrote: »

It hasn't been done where my daughter teaches yet....

Hasn't happened in my school yet either. No idea what we'll do since we're meant to go to Wicklow.

Hasn't been done in 2-3 other schools friends of mine are in too.

FishOnABike

Treppen wrote: »

You phase in the return! As per advice.

And how do you cater for the half at home (1st + 2nd class, sharing a classroom and teacher with JI + SI)?

Are they just given extended holidays until they can return to class in person?

Their teacher will be in class teaching the JI + SI in person. Not all schools have one teacher per class. In some smaller schools the same class + teacher could be teaching JI right through to 2nd class.

KrustyUCC

alwayswright wrote: »

The Jr infants to 2nd class plan is far from a staggered opening.

The majority of schools in Ireland are organised in such a way that classes are grouped together according to class range. This means we will end up with a lot of schools full to capacity on one side, and completely empty on the other.

What's the issue there?

Half the school is back hence half the school is full

hesaidshesaid

KrustyUCC wrote: »

That's a very small minority of schools

After three months off only half the primary schools kids will be returning on Monday and only 1/6 of the secondary schools classes

That's a phased reopening

Just to clarify, schools were due to reopen on Jan 6th.

We are currently on Week 6 of remote learning.

Your '3 months off' claim is incorrect.

wirelessdude01

Mrsmum wrote: »

I've never heard of those schools that only go to 2nd class. Is there many of them around ?

Junior schools. Plenty of them in large urban towns and cities.

iamwhoiam

Mrsmum wrote: »

I've never heard of those schools that only go to 2nd class. Is there many of them around ?

Our local primary is in one complex but two completely different schools
One J 1 to 2nd Class with its principal and staff .
One other side its 3rd to 6th with a different principle and staff .
They co operate with school calendars etc but are two different schools

School in next suburb has one school J to 2nd And 2-6 across the road in a complete different building

khalessi

Mrsmum wrote: »

I've never heard of those schools that only go to 2nd class. Is there many of them around ?

Yes there are a lot of them. 2 schools sharing one space, separate teachers and principals split into junior schools and senior schools

Zaney

It is a phased reopening. Less than half of Irish schoolchildren will be attending schools when they reopen. It’s less travel by a huge proportion of the school going community in the first phase.

On the primary schools with split junior and senior - are these not all (or at least majority) co-located? So you are still looking at reduced travel to the location and reduced parental drop offs congregating outside.

Supercell

Delighted our youngest two are going back next week, can really see it in them how much they miss their little friends. Their mam could use a break too from the homeschooling

Warbeastrior

Zaney wrote:

On the primary schools with split junior and senior - are these not all (or at least majority) co-located? So you are still looking at reduced travel to the location and reduced parental drop offs congregating outside.

I know a girl that works in a junior school.

Junior, senior, 1st and 2nd class. 800 in the school.

Is that a cautious return? Thats madness.

Warbeastrior

Zaney wrote:

On the primary schools with split junior and senior - are these not all (or at least majority) co-located? So you are still looking at reduced travel to the location and reduced parental drop offs congregating outside.

I know a girl that works in a junior school.

Junior, senior, 1st and 2nd class. 800 in the school.

Is that a cautious return? Thats madness.