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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #9272
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Legislation is rarely if ever quick. The concept of forced quarantine is a new one and needs to be done right legally. We have no direct flights from Brazil, nor SA as far as I know, Britain is CTA and then there is the EU.

    They were pretty sharp to write in laws with regards to 5km, not leaving your county, 'house parties' etc. etc.


  • #9273
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    AdamD wrote: »
    They were pretty sharp to write in laws with regards to 5km, not leaving your county, 'house parties' etc. etc.
    They were already enabled by the changes to the Health Bill way back last Spring and summer. They are effectively regulations anyway.


  • #9274
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AdamD wrote: »
    They were pretty sharp to write in laws with regards to 5km, not leaving your county, 'house parties' etc. etc.

    It doesn’t take a genius to see that those are easier to implement than involuntary detention of EU citizens


  • #9275
    shamco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭shamco


    AdamD wrote: »
    They were pretty sharp to write in laws with regards to 5km, not leaving your county, 'house parties' etc. etc.
    Dont forget the bank guarantee


  • #9276
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Ficheall wrote: »
    It's been nearly a year, though. Developing vaccines isn't quick either, but people really pulled the thumb out there.
    This is something we have not done before so it needs legislation done right. It's also in response to de variants!


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  • #9277
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It doesn’t take a genius to see that those are easier to implement than involuntary detention of EU citizens

    If they knew it took time then maybe they should have done it a year ago and we would have had it implemented by now. Instead they’re faffing around a year later


  • #9278
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    seamus wrote: »
    If restricting inbound travel was not that difficult, it would have been done last May. It's an easy PR win for any government.

    Turns out it is that difficult.

    They banned flights from Britain on the drop of a hat and they have a common travel area agreement. So it not difficult at all. They can do it in the click of a finger.


  • #9279
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    retro:electro wrote: »
    If they knew it took time then maybe they should have done it a year ago and we would have had it implemented by now. Instead they’re faffing around a year later
    Well, the last government were firm on it being something "we don't do" so they were never going to do it. It's variants , nothing more, that have created the alarm.


  • #9280
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Well, the last government were firm on it being something "we don't do" so they were never going to do it. It's variants , nothing more, that's created the alarm.

    The variants have also been with us since the start


  • #9281
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    is_that_so wrote: »
    This is something we have not done before so it needs legislation done right. It's also in response to de variants!
    Aye, I know the legislation is a pain, but still - what else have they been fecking doing?
    And I know it's being "enacted" (will believe it when I see it) in response to the variants, but this was something they should have started preparing for right at the beginning - both in case of potentially problematic variants, which were hardly a surprise, and for the eventuality where we got our cases down (as over the summer) and didn't want to import the virus again.


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  • #9282
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    retro:electro wrote: »
    The variants have also been with us since the start
    Yeah and we're still getting them. We didn't care about them until a few of them looked like causing more trouble.


  • #9283
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Legislation is rarely if ever quick. The concept of forced quarantine is a new one and needs to be done right legally. We have no direct flights from Brazil, nor SA as far as I know, Britain is CTA and then there is the EU.

    So like I said ban flights from these countries until it is up and running. They stopped flights from Britain after Christmas in an instant and CTA didn't matter at all. Austria only EU member on list. Just ban flights from these countries until its ready but they're too slow,thick and lack initiative.


  • #9284
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    So like I said ban flights from these countries until it is up and running. They stopped flights from Britain after Christmas in an instant and CTA didn't matter at all. Austria only EU member on list. Just ban flights from these countries until its ready but they're too slow and thick and lack initiative.
    Way back in March people were jumping up and down about banning flights from Italy. As Harris rightly pointed out back then people can just go to other places to fly in from and circumvent a ban.


  • #9285
    Widescreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭Widescreen


    I think the situation we are in is an emergency??

    So why can't they speed up their procedures for this special legislation?

    People are dying in huge numbers, thousands of new cases every week, hospitals over run, most business shut, no sport no socialising, no nothing!

    I think government are in a comfort zone, suddenly their job is easy, no proper Dail to go to, very little real questioning from opposition leaders. Micky mouse TV station that never puts any pressure on them.

    By the time this legislation is enacted the Brazilian variant will be rampant, the vaccine wont' work and we'll be back to square 1.

    is there anyone in this country who can provide proper sensible leadership with a sense of urgency??


  • #9286
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,507 ✭✭✭harr


    This fine weather is making it increasingly hard to stick to a 5k area . Not much in my 5k area but plenty of nice walks and mountains about 20k away.
    Ventured about 9k away from home yesterday for the change of scenery and lucky we have a little used woods to walk in . It’s way off the beaten track and very few people use it.
    The 5k limit is definitely getting claustrophobic ..


  • #9287
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Widescreen wrote: »

    By the time this legislation is enacted the Brazilian variant will be rampant, the vaccine wont' work and we'll be back to square 1.

    Can you publish the evidence you have that the vaccines won't work?


  • #9288
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Can you publish the evidence you have that the vaccines won't work?

    Who needs evidence when you have outrage?


  • #9289
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Widescreen wrote: »
    By the time this legislation is enacted the Brazilian variant will be rampant, the vaccine wont' work and we'll be back to square 1.

    At this point in time there is nothing to suggest the vaccines won't work. Yes, there are variants of concern. Unless we get really unlucky or careless they should be nothing more than y2k: Serious concern and effort required for those monitoring the issue but the ordinary every day person will (hopefully) be left wondering what all the fuss was about.


  • #9290
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It doesn’t take a genius to see that those are easier to implement than involuntary detention of EU citizens

    It's not involuntary detention. They would be getting on the flight aware that they would need to quarantine upon arrival.

    So its easier to write laws to submit our own citizens to draconian laws than foreign ones?

    Logisitically its more difficult, not sure about legally (though really I haven't a clue)


  • #9291
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Way back in March people were jumping up and down about banning flights from Italy. As Harris rightly pointed out back then people can just go to other places to fly in from and circumvent a ban.

    Harris the clown who said a vaccine would take a long time as we have to remember that there were 18 covids before and we have yet to get a vaccine for one of those. Harris and Varadkar who said that because we're a member of the EU we can't shut our borders whilst half the EU did. Denmark had shut their airspace by then while people were jumping and up down here as you say while the government were sitting firmly on their hands.

    Everything should be done to prevent travel from these countries until the mandatory quarantine legislation passes. Make it as awkward for people as possible, if they don't have a direct flight it will put more people off. Sure people in Britain could have done that after Christmas but it was added inconvenience most went with out. You make it as hard possible, you don't do sweet fa and cite something that goon Harris said in March as an excuse to continue doing nothing.


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  • #9292
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    AdamD wrote: »
    They were pretty sharp to write in laws with regards to 5km, not leaving your county, 'house parties' etc. etc.

    Not forgetting the emergency legislation they tried to rush through the system to outlaw drinking takeaway pints outdoors on cold November nights.

    They were fairly snappy when it came to trying to put a stop to that, if I remember correctly.


  • #9293
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sanjuro wrote: »
    Who needs evidence when you have outrage?
    Can one die with or of outrage?!


  • #9294
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Can one die with or of outrage?!

    There'll be more outrage if you can't do either......


  • #9295
    ginoginelli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    So like I said ban flights from these countries until it is up and running. They stopped flights from Britain after Christmas in an instant and CTA didn't matter at all. Austria only EU member on list. Just ban flights from these countries until its ready but they're too slow,thick and lack initiative.

    Have you see the list of countries that have to quarantine?

    Besides S.Africa, Austria, and Brazil, it's a load of remote sub saharan countries that has barely any travel infrastructure. It's a ****ing joke. More cute hoorism and pretence from those self serving charlatans.

    They should be crucified in the media for this lark, but they dont seem to be held to account by any of our journalists, bar a few outliners.


  • #9296
    jhegarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,131 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    Monday, February 22nd 2021
    609 positive swabs, 5.15% positivity on 11,828 tests.

    Sunday, February 21st 2021
    764 positive swabs, 5.13% positivity on 14,901 tests.


  • #9297
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Not forgetting the emergency legislation they tried to rush through the system to outlaw drinking takeaway pints outdoors on cold November nights.

    They were fairly snappy when it came to trying to put a stop to that, if I remember correctly.

    they're probably terrified we'll lose our open arms, progressive, non discriminatory, cosmopolitan culture badge...we were it with such pride!!

    They're dragging it out in the hopes a drop in cases will lessen the requirement for it's implementation, there's so many holes in it, it's doomed to failure, just one breach gets to the daily mirror and it's goodbye, everyone will loose the plot. they'll feck it up and just tack on another 9 weeks for joe public...


  • #9298
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Can one die with or of outrage?!

    You could choke on outrage, I guess.


  • #9299
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,599 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    jhegarty wrote: »
    Monday, February 22nd 2021
    609 positive swabs, 5.15% positivity on 11,828 tests.

    Sunday, February 21st 2021
    764 positive swabs, 5.13% positivity on 14,901 tests.

    how is this in comparison to other mondays?


  • #9300
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    They banned flights from Britain on the drop of a hat and they have a common travel area agreement. So it not difficult at all. They can do it in the click of a finger.

    Can I ask what flights are they supposed to ban? Are there direct flights from red list countries? If there are flight from those countries are there passengers from those countries or is it connecting only?


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  • #9301
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    jhegarty wrote: »
    Monday, February 22nd 2021
    609 positive swabs, 5.15% positivity on 11,828 tests.

    Sunday, February 21st 2021
    764 positive swabs, 5.13% positivity on 14,901 tests.

    Ok numbers, would have hoped for 4 % positivity like one day last week.


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