Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01

wirelessdude01 · 20-02-2021 06:10PM

downthemiddle wrote: »

Based on this post it is also understandable why schools are closed. People do not want to take responsibility for their actions. Blame others, it's much easier.

People of that attitude also blame everything on the "gubbermint".

wirelessdude01 · 20-02-2021 06:12PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

the idea of bringing in mainstream SEN kids without their peers is so ****ing arse backwards stupid i cant even comprehend the thinking. Sitting in a school building all day with no friends, probably no normal classes, thinking why am in here when everyone else isnt, whats wrong with me, am i not normal (which out minister for SEN actually doesnt think they are btw). So stupid :mad:

An older kid from let's say 4th up would come in once and refuse to attend again until everyone was back.

It allows the government though to tick a box and say to the likes of AsIAm that they did something. Adam Harris can go on a media tour promoting all that he achieved by his lobbying.

iguana · 20-02-2021 06:13PM

Locotastic wrote: »

And then seeing people travelling into the country unfettered, but their kids can't go out for a walk with a friend??

There are a number of different issues in your post and I was going to refute the first points as others have. If people break rules and cases don't fall fast enough, schools won't be safe. However the crux of so much of the problem is this right here. We were in a decent place by the end of June. We should have stopped people bringing the virus in from abroad then. We would have managed to 'live with Covid.' We'd have had occasional regional lockdowns but a reasonable degree of freedom inside the country. And yes, we have a land border to the UK but we could have exercised a degree of control that would have made enough people unwilling to risk coming here that would have helped massively in keeping virus levels low. Just because things can't be perfect doesn't mean we shouldn't have just decided not to try.

Stateofyou · 20-02-2021 06:14PM

Locotastic wrote: »

People have followed the rules for months and months, but the tide is turning for sure. Lot of people don't care for the 'advice' any more, it's human nature.

How anyone can expect parents to keep children and teens in their homes still now a year into it with no end in sight is baffling.

A lot more people are willing to take their chances now and no longer tow the line, leaky leaks from government don't help telling people what they can and can't do months ahead of time.

And then seeing people travelling into the country unfettered, but their kids can't go out for a walk with a friend??

I find some of your posts to be really rooted in untruths.

It's not human nature to ignore public health guidelines and not care about others; actually there are quite a lot of us also who are doing our best and just trying to get through or even survive. Everyone has to have hit at least one rough patch at this point, but that's no excuse for behaving as if the rules don't apply to you.

And as you can meet up with one other household outside, no one is fully isolated. We also have video technology now and these things get us by. But probably most people do their best to do their part and hope we can beat it back to reopen to some degree. Get our hospitals back running normally. Then you see posts like yours and it really makes one want to despair.

Also kids haven't been home for year, they haven't returned since Christmas break this year.

Icyseanfitz · 20-02-2021 06:14PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

People of that attitude also blame everything on the "gubbermint".

to be fair im blaming the current mess with schools on the gubbermint :pac:

Locotastic · 20-02-2021 06:14PM

greenbicycle wrote: »

It has impacted the whole country negatively! nobody is saying that they are happy with all of this.

but we all need to make those sacrifices and not be selfish. this is not about any one group of people (children, teenagers, old people, sick people, healthy people or disadvantaged people or parents or teachers) its about everyone together. so we cannot just think about mental health of children without sacrificing someone else's life elsewhere.

I get why people are struggling including children but none of this is happening for no reason. but its like anything else in life that is hard, you have to see why its happening, remind yourself of that and then just do the right thing.

I've been doing the right thing for a year now, but people tut tutting over kids and teens playing outdoors is bizarre.

I think people are going to have a very hard time after all this when they realise that what other people do is nobody else's business.

It's been like paradise for introverts and curtain twitchers, how will they ever accept that people have the freedom of independent thought.

I actually do think some of them won't be able to cope with other people living normal lives.

hesaidshesaid · 20-02-2021 06:16PM

iguana wrote: »

There are a number of different issues in your post and I was going to refute the first points as others have. If people break rules and cases don't fall fast enough, schools won't be safe. However the crux of so much of the problem is this right here. We were in a decent place by the end of June. We should have stopped people bringing the virus in from abroad then. We would have managed to 'live with Covid.' We'd have had occasional regional lockdowns but a reasonable degree of freedom inside the country. And yes, we have a land border to the UK but we could have exercised a degree of control that would have made enough people unwilling to risk coming here that would have helped massively in keeping virus levels low. Just because things can't be perfect doesn't mean we shouldn't have just decided not to try.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/travel-was-significant-contributor-to-second-covid-19-wave-study-1.4489852

This proves your point.

khalessi · 20-02-2021 06:17PM

Locotastic wrote: »

I've been doing the right thing for a year now, but people tut tutting over kids and teens playing outdoors is bizarre.

I think people are going to have a very hard time after all this when they realise that what other people do is nobody else's business.

It's been like paradise for introverts and curtain twitchers, how will they ever accept that people have the freedom of independent thought.

I actually do think some of them won't be able to cope with other people living normal lives.

It has nothing to do with curtain twitchers, it has to do with the fact people are told not to congregate, they didnt put an age limit and say under 18 can do what they like.

The rules are for everyone

Icyseanfitz · 20-02-2021 06:19PM

Locotastic wrote: »

I've been doing the right thing for a year now, but people tut tutting over kids and teens playing outdoors is bizarre.

I think people are going to have a very hard time after all this when they realise that what other people do is nobody else's business.

It's been like paradise for introverts and curtain twitchers, how will they ever accept that people have the freedom of independent thought.

I actually do think some of them won't be able to cope with other people living normal lives.

out of interest, i have a hobby that i need to travel 40km minimum if i want to do it, by myself up a mountain or in the woods, not being able to do it has adversely effected my mental health but i am obeying PH guidelines. Do you think it would correct for me to be breaking the guidelines for my health?

greenbicycle · 20-02-2021 06:19PM

Locotastic wrote: »

I've been doing the right thing for a year now, but people tut tutting over kids and teens playing outdoors is bizarre.

I think people are going to have a very hard time after all this when they realise that what other people do is nobody else's business.

It's been like paradise for introverts and curtain twitchers, how will they ever accept that people have the freedom of independent thought.

I actually do think some of them won't be able to cope with other people living normal lives.

so if you do the right thing for a year why should everyone else not do it too?

its not bizarre to see the problems with people gathering outside, its clearly flaunting the guidelines, age is not a factor here.

people following guidelines is everybody's business, restrictions are in place at this level because guidelines are not being followed, so it 100% is everyones business, it impacts everyone, including you!

you want children to go back to school then be mindful of following the guidelines

Stateofyou · 20-02-2021 06:20PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

the idea of bringing in mainstream SEN kids without their peers is so ****ing arse backwards stupid i cant even comprehend the thinking. Sitting in a school building all day with no friends, probably no normal classes, thinking why am in here when everyone else isnt, whats wrong with me, am i not normal (which out minister for SEN actually doesnt think they are btw). So stupid :mad:

I don't understand why they can't implement a phased reopen, with 2 or 2 1/2 days per week for each group to effectively halve the amount of people in the rooms. Families should also be able to choose to keep their children home for remote schooling if there especially if there is a vulnerability there or in the home.

Implement masks in primary, provide high grade masks to all adults working in the school / transport.

Toss out the old definition of a close contact, close entire classes and test everyone in the room.

Provide extra money for heating budgets so windows can be left open. And for cleaning.

Why is this so d@mn hard.

Oh and CNN now reporting on growing groups of "long covid" sufferers. The comment section there is harrowing.

Locotastic · 20-02-2021 06:21PM

khalessi wrote: »

It has nothing to do with curtain twitchers, it has to do with the fact people are told not to congregate, they didnt put an age limit and say under 18 can do what they like.

The rules are for everyone

As someone who has followed all the rules, I have come to realise that actually the rules are apparently not for everyone.

You only have to look to our politicians to see that, plus the freedom for people to come here and move freely while we are all supposed to 'stay home'. It's a fallacy.

jrosen · 20-02-2021 06:23PM

penny piper wrote: »

Don't you think it's right you should do it for other people's sake and not be so selfish? It's not going to be forever....but it will take alot longer if everyone had the same attitude as you....
I take it you want your child to go back to school? think of others then..

I think asking people to essentially give up 2 years of their lives is a huge ask. Its not going to be forever was a line trotted out last March. Its unhealthy to keep kids in. So selfishly or not Im content in allowing my kids to meet a friend. We are as careful as we can be whilst allowing them to have some social contact. When school comes back we will do what we did last time round, limit their contacts to the same people they are in school with. We are lucky in that their friends are actually friends they have in school.

Icyseanfitz · 20-02-2021 06:24PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

I don't understand why they can't implement a phased reopen, with 2 or 2 1/2 days per week for each group to effectively halve the amount of people in the rooms. Families should also be able to choose to keep their children home for remote schooling if there is a vulnerability there or in the home.

Implement masks in primary, provide high grade masks to all adults working in the school / transport.

Toss out the old definition of a close contact, close entire classes and test everyone in the room.

Provide extra money for heating budgets so windows can be left open. And for cleaning.

Why is this so d@mn hard.

because they couldnt be arsed with the hassle of it, much easier to pretend they are doing a good job with half arsed measures that cant, wont or already have been enforced, get the media to say what a good job the politicians are doing then and the average citizen doesnt think any more about it.

Car99 · 20-02-2021 06:24PM

Probably been answered already but why are
only infants to 2nd class back kn the first of March?

Locotastic · 20-02-2021 06:24PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

out of interest, i have a hobby that i need to travel 40km minimum if i want to do it, by myself up a mountain or in the woods, not being able to do it has adversely effected my mental health but i am obeying PH guidelines. Do you think it would correct for me to be breaking the guidelines for my health?

Do you think you should make a decision balancing the risks v benefits?

Are you willing to breach 'guidelines' if you decide the benefits for you outweighs the risks to you and others?

Lisha · 20-02-2021 06:25PM

988 cases today... ffs.... we are going to be stuck at level 5 for a loooong time. It’s hard on everyone but we need to obey the rules.

Icyseanfitz · 20-02-2021 06:26PM

jrosen wrote: »

I think asking people to essentially give up 2 years of their lives is a huge ask. Its not going to be forever was a line trotted out last March. Its unhealthy to keep kids in. So selfishly or not Im content in allowing my kids to meet a friend. We are as careful as we can be whilst allowing them to have some social contact. When school comes back we will do what we did last time round, limit their contacts to the same people they are in school with. We are lucky in that their friends are actually friends they have in school.

letting them meet a singular friend is one thing, but if there are groups out in town or parks etc then parents are not enforcing any sort of controls on what their child is doing or who they are meeting.

hesaidshesaid · 20-02-2021 06:26PM

Car99 wrote: »

Probably been answered already but why are
only infants to 2nd class back kn the first of March?

To limit the numbers of people moving around with valid reason for doing so. Parents dropping off kids etc.

Locotastic · 20-02-2021 06:26PM

greenbicycle wrote: »

so if you do the right thing for a year why should everyone else not do it too?

its not bizarre to see the problems with people gathering outside, its clearly flaunting the guidelines, age is not a factor here.

people following guidelines is everybody's business, restrictions are in place at this level because guidelines are not being followed, so it 100% is everyones business, it impacts everyone, including you!

you want children to go back to school then be mindful of following the guidelines

I'm talking about after all of this, it won't be anyone's business what others do and I really think some people will struggle with that realisation.

greenbicycle · 20-02-2021 06:27PM

Car99 wrote: »

Probably been answered already but why are
only infants to 2nd class back kn the first of March?

because they want a slow phased reopening, not everyone at the same time.

they have deemed the younger classes most in need of being in a classroom as they are they hardest to engage online.

wirelessdude01 · 20-02-2021 06:28PM

Car99 wrote: »

Probably been answered already but why are
only infants to 2nd class back kn the first of March?

We don't even know who will be back on that date or even if any will be back.

I do know that the government.made a promise to the unions during negotiations a number of weeks back that as close to two weeks notice would be given to schools prior to any reopening. That would probably mean the 8th now for the start of a passed return at mainstream primary level.

Icyseanfitz · 20-02-2021 06:29PM

Locotastic wrote: »

Do you think you should make a decision balancing the risks v benefits?

Are you willing to breach 'guidelines' if you decide the benefits for you outweighs the risks to you and others?

oh i would love to be doing my hobby, id give anything for it, or jesus i would kill for a holiday to greece (my honeymoon to greece for 3 weeks was cancelled last year) as im so sick of all this ****. I wont however, too many people have died, too many people have lost their jobs or businesses, im being paid to work remotely for a reason, and it would be utterly disrespectful to everyone fighting to get rid of this ****ing virus.

Warbeastrior · 20-02-2021 06:30PM

BTownB wrote:

Completely different scenario than teenagers outside.

What are you on about? Teenagers be messing with each other, wrestling, joking laughing out loud on top of each other.

greenbicycle · 20-02-2021 06:30PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I do know that the government.made a promise to the unions during negotiations a number of weeks back that as close to two weeks notice would be given to schools prior to any reopening.

Did they? didnt know that, so the 1st of march date may not happen.

was this just said to the INTO or was it to the secondary unions too?

Interesting.

Edited to say that, promises dont mean anything anyway so this knowledge may have no impact anyway! and the 1st of march isnt even a given.....

Icyseanfitz · 20-02-2021 06:32PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

We don't even know who will be back on that date or even if any will be back.

I do know that the government.made a promise to the unions during negotiations a number of weeks back that as close to two weeks notice would be given to schools prior to any reopening. That would probably mean the 8th now for the start of a passed return at mainstream primary level.

sure we have been getting weeks of notice from the media :pac: i'll believe 2 weeks notice when pigs fly at this stage

we will be told the friday before opening

penny piper · 20-02-2021 06:34PM

Another 998 cases this evening and 26 dead.....I can't see how any schools can open as yet... average of 800 per day

hesaidshesaid · 20-02-2021 06:55PM

Link to Report completed by Parents' Facebook group of Covid cases in schools.

Interesting insight into parents' response to HSE secrecy around cases and how many held the schools themselves accountable for that secrecy. It seems that many are still unaware of the muzzle the HSE place on schools regarding positive cases. General disdain for definition of a close contact in a school setting.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_JHwL4kEXXBULl7FxE-ds4pq-HCxRGAWlkhBwR6xOuo/edit#

20-02-2021 07:08PM

hesaidshesaid wrote: »

Link to Report completed by Parents' Facebook group of Covid cases in schools.

Interesting insight into parents' response to HSE secrecy around cases and how many held the schools themselves accountable for that secrecy. It seems that many are still unaware of the muzzle the HSE place on schools regarding positive cases. General disdain for definition of a close contact in a school setting.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_JHwL4kEXXBULl7FxE-ds4pq-HCxRGAWlkhBwR6xOuo/edit#

Thanks, I needed a good laugh this evening as it’s been a tough week.

The survey was launched on Friday 12th February to all of the Alerting Parents FB group members

Definitely representative of all parents

hesaidshesaid · 20-02-2021 07:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Thanks, I needed a good laugh this evening as it’s been a tough week.

Definitely representative of all parents

You're more than welcome. Hope you have a lovely read.

At no point did they claim it represented all parents. Your quote highlights that.

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