Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

Patches oHoulihan

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Everyone, teenager's included haven been asked to stay within 5km, and not to meet other household's, unless this has changed then yes those kids should be home.

Have you got any kids ?

BTownB

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Everyone, teenager's included haven been asked to stay within 5km, and not to meet other household's, unless this has changed then yes those kids should be home.

You are out of touch with reality and obviously don't have teenagers

Str8outtaWuhan

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

The parents of those kids need to do their job and keep them home.

Ah ffs, Let kids be kids. I have let mine out to wander since June , playing with the other kids in the area. They play with about 3 or 4 other families kids on the street. Guess what?

They are healthy , happy, they come in wet and filthy and hungry and thirsty. They spend loads of time with their grandparents, no one died, no one caught anything (if they did we knew nothing about it).

I respect if other families don't want to mix with my kids , they are happy to stare out the windows while mine play away.

Life is just too short to be worried about something like this.

p.s the gov says that kids mixing together in schools and in playgrounds is safe, Eamonn ryan repeated it on radio today)

Patches oHoulihan

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

What do you work as? not knowing my personal circumstances that could be a real **** question :mad:

My job deals with the public and it hasn't stopped through all of this **** show.
I have to put a mask on every ****ing day as well as all of the other PPE.
I have 3 kids that are slowly cracking and it's happening in front of me and I am powerless to stop it happening.
The only thing that got them back to any sort of even keel was school.

lulublue22

Everyone needs to follow ph advice - going outside is not an issue - meeting up in groups when ph have specifically asked people not to mix with other households is.

greenbicycle

BTownB wrote: »

Thank you. You can't keep teenagers at home in doors for months on end.

They are outside and risk of contracting covid is minimal.

People have lost all perspective.

Would you blame teachers from feeling they are in a very risky situation returning to class rooms with this attitude? (since starting to write this I would have included other posts above too, im actually so disappointed to read them)

Schools are returning to classrooms on the provision that the rest of the country stays safe and keeps community transmission low. If people are mixing together against government guidelines transmission rates will go up and schools will become very unsafe.

The perspective that needs to be adopted is keeping EVERYONE safe and we can only do that if EVERYONE follows guidelines and we work together. Teenagers of course need social interaction but they are not immune to covid or spreading it so yes we can and should keep teenagers (and everyone else) at home, for the safety of everyone.

Icyseanfitz

grand, ill go back to travelling all over the country to start doing my hobbies and interests again so, sure im not hurting anybody right, its for my mental health so it cant be wrong right.

Jesus christ, the whole ****ing reason kids arnt in school currently is to stop large gatherings of any age group and in doing so stop transmission of covid, if they are heading out the door and meeting large groups of their peers in the streets/parks/houses its pointless

Str8outtaWuhan

lulublue22 wrote: »

Everyone needs to follow ph advice - going outside is not an issue - meeting up in groups when ph have specifically asked people not to mix with other households is.

Like in the school yard, at the school gate , on the bus to school, on the walk home , at lunchtime down the chipper, in poorly ventilated classrooms?

Schools are safe but groups are not safe??

Icyseanfitz

Patches oHoulihan wrote: »

My job deals with the public and it hasn't stopped through all of this **** show.
I have to put a mask on every ****ing day as well as all of the other PPE.
I have 3 kids that are slowly cracking and it's happening in front of me and I am powerless to stop it happening.
The only thing that got them back to any sort of even keel was school.

im sorry that you and your children are finding this tough, if its any consolation at all, so are we.

jrosen

I think alot of parents are starting to see the negative impact these restrictions are having on their kids and are are trying to find ways to help. There has been a noticeable increase in seeing kids out and about when i live. Not in large groups but definitely common to see kids out.

Icyseanfitz

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

Like in the school yard, at the school gate , on the bus to school, on the walk home , at lunchtime down the chipper, in poorly ventilated classrooms?

Schools are safe but groups are not safe??

exactly the mixed message from government that we have been pointing out in this thread since September

greenbicycle

Further to my post above.

Why would the government give us all advice to not meet up with others outside our families? is it just to annoy us? or just some plot to bring the country down? or are they all just evil and twisted?

it is to keep us safe, plain and simple. Why do people go against the rules? it is just so so selfish!

the guidelines are there for a reason, can everyone please just follow them. It doesnt matter if you have gotten away with it so far and your children are grand after playing with several children out on the road. good for you. you have escaped this time and maybe you will escape every time. but it is not fair to just think of yourself and not think wider than yourself.

Schools should just not open till September at this rate, why should teachers mind children when parents are practically giving them a middle finger in the faces of schools staff by letting their children and teenagers meet up in groups and put everyone else at risk.

people who are boasting about breaking covid Guidlines on this thread should be banned. posts are removed on other threads when law breaking is suggested.

lulublue22

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

Like in the school yard, at the school gate , on the bus to school, on the walk home , at lunchtime down the chipper, in poorly ventilated classrooms?

Schools are safe but groups are not safe??

Schools are safe is a mantra put forward by Norma - what she should say is when community transmission is low then the risk to schools is considerably reduced. People have a choice abide by PH guidelines and get schools reopened in some form or don’t and take the consequences of prolonged school closures. If you opt for not following the PH advice then accept the knock on effect re schools closing and shut the **** up with the whinging re lazy teachers and too much power unions.

DSN

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

Like in the school yard, at the school gate , on the bus to school, on the walk home , at lunchtime down the chipper, in poorly ventilated classrooms?

Schools are safe but groups are not safe??

Oh for crying out loud it's about what's more essential (eventually it's essential to send kids back to school) & what's not (cafes, restaurant, etc are not). No where is safe its just about at what point is it safe enough to risk sending staff & kids back. Scotland younger ones back this Mon & all staff given 2 home kits a week to test on fixed days why can't they do that here.

BTownB

lulublue22 wrote: »

Everyone needs to follow ph advice - going outside is not an issue - meeting up in groups when ph have specifically asked people not to mix with other households is.

It's happening everywhere in my town. Evenings are longer and kids are playing outside together. That's the reality.

Public health have no experts in human behaviour and psychology on board obviously.

Young people cannot be cooped up for months on end. Sorry that is just how it is.

BTownB

lulublue22 wrote: »

Schools are safe is a mantra put forward by Norma - what she should say is when community transmission is low then the risk to schools is considerably reduced. People have a choice abide by PH guidelines and get schools reopened in some form or don’t and take the consequences of prolonged school closures. If you opt for not following the PH advice then accept the knock on effect re schools closing and shut the **** up with the whinging re lazy teachers and too much power unions.

Covid is not being spread by people meeting up outside in fresh air. The evidence on this is overwhelming.

This will not affect numbers which are coming from indoor settings - meat factories, hospitals etc

Warbeastrior

The fact that some people don't care that teenagers are meeting up in big groups with no social distancing and then want them sent back to school where they will be doing the same thing except in a poorly ventilated area speaks volumes.
So these parents are allowed to let their teens do as they please but school staff are expected to be able to enforce these rules to keep not only themselves safe but the children as well.
Its baffling.

Icyseanfitz

BTownB wrote: »

Covid is not being spread by people meeting up outside in fresh air. The evidence on this is overwhelming.

This will not affect numbers which are coming from indoor settings - meat factories, hospitals etc

can you please link the overwhelming scientific studies showing that large gatherings outside (probably without masks) cannot spread covid.

As for your second point, like schools correct?

Warbeastrior

BTownB wrote:

Covid is not being spread by people meeting up outside in fresh air. The evidence on this is overwhelming.

That's not true. These new varients have changed this advice. People are being told to wear masks if they are going for a walk now.
And a lot of teenagers have absolutely no concept of social distancing.

greenbicycle

BTownB wrote: »

It's happening everywhere in my town. Evenings are longer and kids are playing outside together. That's the reality.

Public health have no experts in human behaviour and psychology on board obviously.

Young people cannot be cooped up for months on end. Sorry that is just how it is.

Anyone who is in agreement with this post should not post one more thing giving out about teachers not being in classrooms.

This post sums it all up really. This is what schools (and the whole country for that matter) are up against.

Icyseanfitz

Warbeastrior wrote: »

The fact that some people don't care that teenagers are meeting up in big groups with no social distancing and then want them sent back to school where they will be doing the same thing except in a poorly ventilated area speaks volumes.
So these parents are allowed to let their teens do as they please but school staff are expected to be able to enforce these rules to keep not only themselves safe but the children as well.
Its baffling.

its ridiculous, letting their kids go out and do whatever they want and to "just be kids" and then in the same breath giving out that educators are concerned about the safety of going back into classrooms of 25-30 of said kids with no social distancing, poor ventilation and an improper contact tracing system.

Stateofyou

Locotastic wrote: »

There nothing to say kids and teens can't go outside, get a grip. They don't have to be 'kept' at home.

Lockdown might not be officially over but a lot of people are done with it now. Can't expect children to stay locked in their homes with no interaction.

BTownB wrote: »

Thank you. You can't keep teenagers at home in doors for months on end.

They are outside and risk of contracting covid is minimal.

People have lost all perspective.

Patches oHoulihan wrote: »

Have you got any kids ?

BTownB wrote: »

You are out of touch with reality and obviously don't have teenagers

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

Ah ffs, Let kids be kids. I have let mine out to wander since June , playing with the other kids in the area. They play with about 3 or 4 other families kids on the street. Guess what?

They are healthy , happy, they come in wet and filthy and hungry and thirsty. They spend loads of time with their grandparents, no one died, no one caught anything (if they did we knew nothing about it).

I respect if other families don't want to mix with my kids , they are happy to stare out the windows while mine play away.

Life is just too short to be worried about something like this.

p.s the gov says that kids mixing together in schools and in playgrounds is safe, Eamonn ryan repeated it on radio today)

People thinking the rules don't apply to them or their kids is the reason we're still in this mess.

Midnight Sundance

I'm sick to death of seeing large groups walking round and meeting up and delaying our return to normality by having such large gatherings!
I've just been shown a video on WhatsApp of a group of hundreds of people meeting up this week , these same people are then going to turn up to school ,probably without masks or the some will have masks on swearing blind they have been keeping the rules, sending their kids in to mix with all the others and driving the possibility of covid being spread through the roof!
And people have the audacity to give out about teachers worrying about going into school and catching covid and bringing it home to their family.

lulublue22

BTownB wrote: »

It's happening everywhere in my town. Evenings are longer and kids are playing outside together. That's the reality.

Public health have no experts in human behaviour and psychology on board obviously.

Young people cannot be cooped up for months on end. Sorry that is just how it is.

That’s not just how it is - that’s a cop out to justify behaviour that runs counter to PH advice. But it’s ok as it’s always some one else's fault anyhow - those traveling , house parties etc etc a bit of collective responsibility might not go astray - perhaps if we all followed PH advice children might get back to school quicker. As an aside I must have the best teenagers in the world - they manage to follow PH advice. Is it easy on them no but they do it - as do their friends actually.

Stateofyou

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

Like in the school yard, at the school gate , on the bus to school, on the walk home , at lunchtime down the chipper, in poorly ventilated classrooms?

Schools are safe but groups are not safe??

Schools are not safe, untouchable, magic places. You started off on the wrong foot with nowhere to go from there. You're just trying to justify what you know shouldn't be happening.

BTownB

Risk of picking up covid outside is minimal. No one has been able to refute that.

In fact Cillian de Gascun said as much on Katie Hannom today.

greenbicycle

BTownB wrote: »

Risk of picking up covid outside is minimal. No one has been able to refute that.

In fact Cillian de Gascun said as much on Katie Hannom today.

So we are being told that we can't meet people outside for no reason. Outdoor concerts can't go ahead for no reason, football matches can't be attended for no reason. We are advised to wear masks outside for no reason.

Stop spouting nonsense on this thread please

Stateofyou

BTownB wrote: »

Risk of picking up covid outside is minimal. No one has been able to refute that.

In fact Cillian de Gascun said as much on Katie Hannom today.

So the whole 'no sports, only meeting up with 1 other household for exercise, the multiple warnings by government to avoid crowded outdoor places - all hogwash then?

BTownB

greenbicycle wrote: »

So we are being told that we can't meet people outside for no reason. Outdoor concerts can't go ahead for no reason, football matches can't be attended for no reason. We are advised to wear masks outside for no reason.

Stop spouting nonsense on this thread please

I'm not talking about event with hundreds and thousands of people or any mass congregation. I'm talking about a few kids meeting up outside. i see it everywhere so it's definitely happening.

I dont have kids, just saying what I see. And i think it's reasonable behaviour.

Yes All the studies showing risk of outdoor transmission is minimal are 'nonsense'. It's a scientific fact that you'd be very very unlucky to pick covid up outside.

BTownB

Stateofyou wrote: »

So the whole 'no sports, only meeting up with 1 other household for exercise, the multiple warnings by government to avoid crowded outdoor places - all hogwash then?

Its like the 5k rule. You won't pick up covid by driving further than 5km, but Nphet want to reduce mobility so they can control behaviour more easiily.

The outside meetup is the same thing.

Btw, I'm repeating what Cillian De Gascun said on Katie Hannon today so I'm not spouting nonsense.