When will it all end?

accensi0n · 19-02-2021 02:44PM

josip wrote: »

Because for reasons only known to themselves, they set a ridiculous opening up criteria of <100 cases for 28 days.

And with the weekly decrease of cases now at less than 10%, they find themselves painted into a corner where we wouldn't hit that target until June even with a 10% weekly decrease in case numbers.

So they can either admit they got it wrong, or they can continue this death march project with all of us.

How is it you know what the daily case number will be on the 21st?

antgal23 · 19-02-2021 02:51PM

aido79 wrote: »

What do you mean by total lockdown? We've had level 5 for well over 4 weeks and the cases are only just dropping below 1000 a day now.

I'd agree with the regional lockdowns in theory but they're impossible to police in reality because there's still alot of people travelling for work and other essential activities.

Three coffee shops are open within 500 metres of my house, families meet up there every day. Close them.

No outdoor exercise.

francogarbanzo · 19-02-2021 02:52PM

antgal23 wrote: »

Three coffee shops are open within 500 metres of my house, families meet up there every day. Close them.

No outdoor exercise.

And then what?

mcsean2163 · 19-02-2021 02:53PM

aido79 wrote: »

I'd say that number pales in comparison to the people itching to get back to work to earn a decent wage and the people who can't wait to get back to the office so they don't have to work from their kitchen table sitting on an uncomfortable chair and home schooling a couple of kids at the same time.

I know quite a few that are much happier WFH and better off on pup.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40221959.html

40% in no mind to return to work. That's over half if you exclude essential workers. WFH is generally well paid too.

antgal23 · 19-02-2021 02:55PM

francogarbanzo wrote: »

And then what?

Reduce movement quicker, reduce spread quicker, reduce numbers quicker, reduce hospital admissions quicker

Clear?

Richard Hillman · 19-02-2021 02:59PM

The WHO are dick swinging about after the vulnerable are vaccinated, we should be giving our vaccines to ****house countries. The G7 are meeting today about it.

I can Micheal Martin, Varadkar and Coveney handing over hundreds of thousands of vaccines, to secure their own status amongst the global NGOs and keeping us under Level 2-3 Restrictions..

It is genuinely an Us vs Them scenario.

With all due respect, F**k Botswana and F**k Nicaragua.

hynesie08 · 19-02-2021 03:08PM

antgal23 wrote: »

Reduce movement quicker, reduce spread quicker, reduce numbers quicker, reduce hospital admissions quicker

Clear?

Increase obesity, increase domestic violence, increase depression, reduce the last few independent places trying to keep the lights on.

Clear?

GT89 · 19-02-2021 03:11PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Sure. Sure.

Meanwhile, back in reality...

No covid restrictions in Florida no issues with covid there things are normal. So it's not really that unrealistic to want restrictions gone.

19-02-2021 03:14PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The WHO are dick swinging about after the vulnerable are vaccinated, we should be giving our vaccines to ****house countries. The G7 are meeting today about it.

I can Micheal Martin, Varadkar and Coveney handing over hundreds of thousands of vaccines, to secure their own status amongst the global NGOs and keeping us under Level 2-3 Restrictions..

It is genuinely an Us vs Them scenario.

With all due respect, F**k Botswana and F**k Nicaragua.

I dont believe we are in the G7 so their decisions mean nothing to us

Quazzie · 19-02-2021 03:17PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I dont believe we are in the G7 so their decisions mean nothing to us

Hey. This thread isn't the place for basic facts.

Allinall · 19-02-2021 03:18PM

GT89 wrote: »

No covid restrictions in Florida no issues with covid there things are normal. So it's not really that unrealistic to want restrictions gone.

https://www.gouvernement.fr/en/coronavirus-covid-19

Severe restrictions, including curfews applied in France.

So it's not really that unrealistic to want reasonable restrictions to continue here, until things improve.

19-02-2021 03:19PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

I know quite a few that are much happier WFH and better off on pup.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40221959.html

40% in no mind to return to work. That's over half if you exclude essential workers. WFH is generally well paid too.

3 people in my house. 2 just as well off after tax and expenses by staying on PUP. thankfully they both got fed up and went back to work for a while until sent home again but its kinda hard to keep them motivated to get up at stupid oclock for work when their mates are getting up at midday and not even getting dressed. Early 20s tend not to consider the long game

Know a few working from home, one in the HSE, nothing provided and using her own laptop. Second, her husband works for a bank. Provided with a new computer, desk and stationary. They even set it up for him.

So I think we can safely say we all know people in the scenarios. Some financially worse off and others better. Some happy to wfh and others itching to get out.

Ginger n Lemon · 19-02-2021 03:19PM

Allinall wrote: »

https://www.gouvernement.fr/en/coronavirus-covid-19

Severe restrictions, including curfews applied in France.

So it's not really that unrealistic to want reasonable restrictions to continue here, until things improve.

They have schools opened since Jan in France. Hairdressers re opening 1st of March. You may want to link another country for comparison to Ireland :pac:

Allinall · 19-02-2021 03:21PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

They have schools opened since Jan in France. Hairdressers re opening 1st of March. You may want to link another country for comparison to Ireland :pac:

Where did I compare it to Ireland?

19-02-2021 03:22PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

They have schools opened since Jan in France. Hairdressers re opening 1st of March. You may want to link another country for comparison to Ireland :pac:

But we dont have curfews. each country has taken its own road. Its not going to be possible to compare like for like

Remember when France was putting people back on private planes and sending them home? Or when the entire of Paris had to wear masks outdoors and there was no allowance for smoking, eatting or drinking?

Richard Hillman · 19-02-2021 03:26PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I dont believe we are in the G7 so their decisions mean nothing to us

It's the emphasis of it. If they bow down, the rest will be pressured to follow. I can see Biden saying yes, just to make himself out as the Anti-Trump. Russia and China will say yes but won't :pac:

Although the EU are in such a **** position on Vaccines, they'll probably have to keep them inside Europe to save their own skins.

Varadkar and Coveney are hardened globalist. Coveney desperately wants a gig at the UN. Varadkar is never going to back benches. They'll look after themselves and leave us hanging with restrictions until 20 whatever

aido79 · 19-02-2021 03:29PM

antgal23 wrote: »

Three coffee shops are open within 500 metres of my house, families meet up there every day. Close them.

No outdoor exercise.

Do people still get to keep the key for their own front door under your plan or do they have to wait for someone to come and unlock it?

19-02-2021 03:31PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

It's the emphasis of it. If they bow down, the rest will be pressured to follow. I can see Biden saying yes, just to make himself out as the Anti-Trump. Russia and China will say yes but won't :pac:

Although the EU are in such a **** position on Vaccines, they'll probably have to keep them inside Europe to save their own skins.

Varadkar and Coveney are hardened globalist. Coveney desperately wants a gig at the UN. Varadkar is never going to back benches. They'll look after themselves and leave us hanging with restrictions until 20 whatever

Thats just a nonsense attempt to backtrack. If who bow down? Who will be pressured? who is askng for people to bow down?

the G7 meet every single year and every single year we dont enter it anything they do or say. we will go with the EU and the EU are very clearly saying "EU first"

Herb Powell · 19-02-2021 03:31PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The WHO are dick swinging about after the vulnerable are vaccinated, we should be giving our vaccines to ****house countries. The G7 are meeting today about it.

I can Micheal Martin, Varadkar and Coveney handing over hundreds of thousands of vaccines, to secure their own status amongst the global NGOs and keeping us under Level 2-3 Restrictions..

It is genuinely an Us vs Them scenario.

With all due respect, F**k Botswana and F**k Nicaragua.

It's not us vs them. It's a problem for everyone. Jingoism and bluster is worth nothing in this.

Mr. Karate · 19-02-2021 03:31PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I dont believe we are in the G7 so their decisions mean nothing to us

I can see them volunteering ours just to virtue signal. Look at how quickly Leo quadrupled our payments to WHO once Trump pulled funding from them. And how quickly he volunteered Ireland to pay more to the EU budget to make up for the loss of Britain's contributions.

I wouldn't mind them volunteering some of our vaccines if we already hit 75-80% vaccinated mark, but I don't even think we hit 2-3% percent yet. We're in not position to be giving up any of ours. Hopefully some glimmer of sense will prevail and they won't be so quick to volunteer ours.

19-02-2021 03:32PM

aido79 wrote: »

Do people still get to keep the key for their own front door under your plan or do they have to wait for someone to come and unlock it?

Hes not wrong in all aspects though. The Pavillions in Swords is full and theres a line for the coffee. Nothing essential about it.

NIMAN · 19-02-2021 03:32PM

antgal23 wrote: »

Three coffee shops are open within 500 metres of my house, families meet up there every day. Close them.

No outdoor exercise.

Are you sure they are open for sit-in, as takeaway is allowed ok.

I would be surprised there are 3 open for sitting in, as they would be risking big fines if they are raided.

Whereabouts are you based?

mcsean2163 · 19-02-2021 03:34PM

Fwiw, we have similar case numbers to Switzerland. The have the 95th strictest restrictions in the world, we have the third strictest....

josip · 19-02-2021 03:36PM

accensi0n wrote: »

How is it you know what the daily case number will be on the 21st?

I don't.
The numbers in black in that table are the historical numbers and percentage decrease that we do know.
The numbers in grey are projections, assuming a 10% weekly decrease in case numbers.
I estimate 10% because that's a little above what it is now; obviously that could/will change either way.

19-02-2021 03:37PM

Looking at the glass half empty, what are florida doing that everybody else ain't

NIMAN · 19-02-2021 03:39PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Fwiw, we have similar case numbers to Switzerland. The have the 95th strictest restrictions in the world, we have the third strictest....

Which 2 countries are stricter than us?

NZ and Oz?

Quazzie · 19-02-2021 03:40PM

tommybrees wrote: »

Looking at the glass half empty, what are florida doing that everybody else ain't

Basking is sunshine.

There seems to be gathering momentum around the theory that Vitamin D (sunshine) equals low Covid cases.

Ginger n Lemon · 19-02-2021 03:46PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Which 2 countries are stricter than us?

NZ and Oz?

Chile I'd say. Co incidentally they have suffered 1 of the worst death rates too.

They had a very severe lockdown that led to very severe death rate with covid. Conspiracy stuff :pac:

Silentcorner · 19-02-2021 03:47PM

tommybrees wrote: »

Looking at the glass half empty, what are florida doing that everybody else ain't

Listening to the science.

The science that wasn't thrown together to justify the inhumane and catastrophic lockdowns that is....they listened to the science that has been around for decades and went with it.

Di Santos will be front runner for 2024...the Americans are flocking to Florida...what is that telling us!!!

Silentcorner · 19-02-2021 03:48PM

Quazzie wrote: »

Basking is sunshine.

There seems to be gathering momentum around the theory that Vitamin D (sunshine) equals low Covid cases.

California basks in sunshine too...and has a younger population, and a long running severe lockdown.

When will it all end?

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