When will it all end?

BTownB · 19-02-2021 11:25AM

uli84 wrote: »

Id be delighted not just happy

Yep would love a curfew. It's not like we're out at night doing anything fun.

Multipass · 19-02-2021 11:35AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

they ve planned to vaccinate 1.2m by end of March. Thats before johnson and johnson vaccine approval and swift distribution

Point being March will be the 3rd month in level 5 lockdown. It will also be 3 months of vaccinating people. results? well level 5 until May. Absolute shambles

I think the new ‘announcement’ is a clue that they won’t have the elderly vaccinated until May at the earliest. I’ve posted before, my 89 yr old relative won’t have his second dose till mid April. Then they have to work down through the others. It’s a shambles, it’s like no-one made any advance preparations for the vaccines we all knew were coming. Last minute ****e, as always.

19-02-2021 11:37AM

Hand crafted statements, stirred with a wooden handled spoon on nana's aga

Piss off

El_Duderino 09 · 19-02-2021 12:01PM

AdamD wrote: »

I can see the difference you condescending ****. I've never once claimed they said restrictions would end on a certain day.

Ah. So you do see how the statement was crafted. But you said earlier that is was a mess.

You might have appreciate the craft and precision in that message, but most people seem to have made a balls of reading it. Those posters who thought it meant the lockdown would end on 5 March, made a balls of reading it.

El_Duderino 09 · 19-02-2021 12:05PM

Multipass wrote: »

I think the new ‘announcement’ is a clue that they won’t have the elderly vaccinated until May at the earliest. I’ve posted before, my 89 yr old relative won’t have his second dose till mid April. Then they have to work down through the others. It’s a shambles, it’s like no-one made any advance preparations for the vaccines we all knew were coming. Last minute ****e, as always.

The Irish side of vaccinations (administering a the available vaccination to people) has run fine. The bottleneck has been supply. Ireland isn’t doing it last minute. It’s administering the vaccines it has reasonably well.

We’ll see how what their capacity for administering the vaccine is once the get more vaccines. But the way haven’t been past capacity yet. That’s good.

LineOfBeauty · 19-02-2021 12:08PM

Only a lunatic would be saying let's open the country full whack, no restrictions, no social distancing, no nothing on March 5th.
Equally, only a lunatic would say keep the country on full Level 5 lockdown, no travel beyond the 5k, no retail outlets, no hairdressers, barbers ect, no outdoor meet ups or sports, until May.

It's not one or the other. It's just adapting to the circumstances and with numbers going down, hospitals not at full capacity and with vaccination's increasing all the time, just give people something! No right minded person expects everything to be "normal" in May, but another 9 weeks of this, given how long we've already endured it, is the work of a lunatic.

Multipass · 19-02-2021 12:09PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The Irish side of vaccinations (administering a the available vaccination to people) has run fine. The bottleneck has been supply. Ireland isn’t doing it last minute. It’s administering the vaccines it has reasonably well.

We’ll see how what their capacity for administering the vaccine is once the get more vaccines. But the way haven’t been past capacity yet. That’s good.

The vaccination centre near me is still being built! If that’s not last minute, what the hell is?

19-02-2021 12:10PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The Irish side of vaccinations (administering a the available vaccination to people) has run fine. The bottleneck has been supply. Ireland isn’t doing it last minute. It’s administering the vaccines it has reasonably well.

We’ll see how what their capacity for administering the vaccine is once the get more vaccines. But the way haven’t been past capacity yet. That’s good.

For once I agree with you, although there is a strong case for us to source extra supplies outside the EMA as other EU countries have done. People shouldn't have to die to keep Brussels happy.

francogarbanzo · 19-02-2021 12:10PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ah. So you do see how the statement was crafted. But you said earlier that is was a mess.

You might have appreciate the craft and precision in that message, but most people seem to have made a balls of reading it. Those posters who thought it meant the lockdown would end on 5 March, made a balls of reading it.

So many people "misunderstood" a message and your takeaway is that the communication was highly effective?

El_Duderino 09 · 19-02-2021 12:17PM

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Only a lunatic would be saying let's open the country full whack, no restrictions, no social distancing, no nothing on March 5th.
Equally, only a lunatic would say keep the country on full Level 5 lockdown, no travel beyond the 5k, no retail outlets, no hairdressers, barbers ect, no outdoor meet ups or sports, until May.

It's not one or the other. It's just adapting to the circumstances and with numbers going down, hospitals not at full capacity and with vaccination's increasing all the time, just give people something! No right minded person expects everything to be "normal" in May, but another 9 weeks of this, given how long we've already endured it, is the work of a lunatic.

Yeah they’re suggesting schools going back in March. I don’t have children but I hear from people with to children that that’s a big thing for them.

El_Duderino 09 · 19-02-2021 12:20PM

francogarbanzo wrote: »

So many people "misunderstood" a message and your takeaway is that the communication was highly effective?

Yes loads of people misunderstood.

I didn’t say it was effective. I said it was crafted. By that I mean it was accurate and short. It said what it meant and didn’t say the things it didn’t mean - but lots of people misunderstood it. Those people took it to mean they would end the lockdown on March 5th, but it didn’t say that.

RGS · 19-02-2021 12:25PM

Anyone you believes the government messaging has been on point is living in dreamland.

They have been all over the place.

Martin giving a interview to the Mirror last night and stating we will remain in level 5 till may at least was taking the piss.

This should have been done on the tv on the 6pm news as a proper government broadcast not snuck out in a late night interview.

And where is martin this morning to explain his comments--probably on his way back to Cork for the weekend.

I know they are "essential" workers but I would love our government to go home and work from the kitchen table or bedroom until 1 may and see how they cope with a lock down they are basically exempt from. I know it wont happen.

tommyombomb · 19-02-2021 12:28PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah they’re suggesting schools going back in March. I don’t have children but I hear from people with to children that that’s a big thing for them.

As someone who doeant have kids i only go on what people say and this is good news for parents.

Feel like as a single person in 30s i am falling into the category when will anything change for me (selfish mentality i know). If opening schools delays everything else by a few more weeks evntually i would like them to remain closed.

Hopefully distanced stuff like golf, meeting outdoors etc open with schools then it would be a weight lifted.

El_Duderino 09 · 19-02-2021 12:55PM

tommyombomb wrote: »

As someone who doeant have kids i only go on what people say and this is good news for parents.

Feel like as a single person in 30s i am falling into the category when will anything change for me (selfish mentality i know). If opening schools delays everything else by a few more weeks evntually i would like them to remain closed.

Hopefully distanced stuff like golf, meeting outdoors etc open with schools then it would be a weight lifted.

It’s a FF FG government. It’s the main base for older voters. They don’t know about young people and they don’t need to know about young people.

How will old people reward the young people for their sacrifices? By voting for politicians with progressive policies, affordable housing, good transport and so on? They’ll most likely vote for more FF or FG politicians who will keep their house prices up by not building too many new houses.

We have a government that old people want and it’s cautiously protecting old people. It’s not good for young people, that’s for sure.

hynesie08 · 19-02-2021 12:57PM

Multipass wrote: »

I think the new ‘announcement’ is a clue that they won’t have the elderly vaccinated until May at the earliest. I’ve posted before, my 89 yr old relative won’t have his second dose till mid April. Then they have to work down through the others. It’s a shambles, it’s like no-one made any advance preparations for the vaccines we all knew were coming. Last minute ****e, as always.

When did he have his first dose?

Multipass wrote: »

The vaccination centre near me is still being built! If that’s not last minute, what the hell is?

What do you mean built? They're all existing buildings. Do you mean putting up the dividers?

Multipass · 19-02-2021 12:58PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

When did he have his first dose?

What do you mean built? They're all existing buildings. Do you mean putting up the dividers?

In 3 weeks from now.

There is construction going on at racecourses.

josip · 19-02-2021 01:00PM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Originally it was three weeks to flatten the curve. 12 months on we are no closer to getting out of this.

There are only two possibilities.

1. This was the plan all along and an evil plot is afoot to destroy the world as we know it.

2. Our leaders are utterly incompetent and are making this up as they go along with no clue how we get out of this and are only interested in clinging to power whatever the cost.

It believe option 2 is the reality.

Nobody thinking person can take this pandemic seriously anymore.

Each one of us must ask themselves right now:

"What are you prepared to do?"

There is a 3rd possibility.
It's more practical to lockdown the entire country for 14 months than to attempt any kind of reform and improvement of the HSE.

hynesie08 · 19-02-2021 01:03PM

Multipass wrote: »

In 3 weeks from now.

There is construction going on at racecourses.

So they're putting in dividers, no need to do that 3 months in advance.

LineOfBeauty · 19-02-2021 01:09PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah they’re suggesting schools going back in March. I don’t have children but I hear from people with to children that that’s a big thing for them.

That's great. That's great for them. And that's important for them. But there's a sizable population that don't have kids that would like something, anything to keep their minds off the looming dread of Level 5 lockdown. Throw people a bone like.

josip · 19-02-2021 01:18PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Unfortunate IT picked it up

No further easing of restrictions, beyond the phased return of schools from early March, are likely to be announced by Government next week after the State’s public health team warned of a plateau in the fight against Covid-19.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-tight-restrictions-to-remain-until-may-as-case-numbers-plateau-1.4489030

I honestly hope thats wrong. I mean we ll have 1-2 m vaccinated by end of March, how in gods name can level 5 restrictions remain until May??

Because for reasons only known to themselves, they set a ridiculous opening up criteria of <100 cases for 28 days.

And with the weekly decrease of cases now at less than 10%, they find themselves painted into a corner where we wouldn't hit that target until June even with a 10% weekly decrease in case numbers.

So they can either admit they got it wrong, or they can continue this death march project with all of us.

Mr. Karate · 19-02-2021 01:19PM

josip wrote: »

There is a 3rd possibility.
It's more practical to lockdown the entire country for 14 months than to attempt any kind of reform and improvement of the HSE.

That's more option 2. Total incompetence.

josip · 19-02-2021 01:23PM

Multipass wrote: »

In 3 weeks from now.

There is construction going on at racecourses.

Construction and trades have already started back.
There's a driveway and entrance being built at a house up the road from us.
Painters have been in all week at a house on our street.
Nobody is bothering to hide any more.

El_Duderino 09 · 19-02-2021 01:26PM

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

That's great. That's great for them. And that's important for them. But there's a sizable population that don't have kids that would like something, anything to keep their minds off the looming dread of Level 5 lockdown. Throw people a bone like.

That’s kind of the point. The last poster wanted them to throw the people a bone. It turns out they’re opening schools which is pretty big for a lot of people, but it’s not enough.

Peopep aren’t happy and throwing them bones won’t actually make them happy. They’re better to stick to the plan of getting numbers down, getting the vaccine rolled out and reopening to stay open, the throwing people bones. Because people won’t be happy with being thrown bones.

antgal23 · 19-02-2021 01:27PM

It's probably been highlighted here already but I have a question

If 2/3 s of new cases are under 45 ( not going to die) and numbers are falling why persist with Level 5?

Mr. Karate · 19-02-2021 01:28PM

RGS wrote: »

Anyone you believes the government messaging has been on point is living in dreamland.

They have been all over the place.

Martin giving a interview to the Mirror last night and stating we will remain in level 5 till may at least was taking the piss.

This should have been done on the tv on the 6pm news as a proper government broadcast not snuck out in a late night interview.

And where is martin this morning to explain his comments--probably on his way back to Cork for the weekend.

I know they are "essential" workers but I would love our government to go home and work from the kitchen table or bedroom until 1 may and see how they cope with a lock down they are basically exempt from. I know it wont happen.

We should be protesting outside his home [either his Cork one or one he no doubt has in Dublin] day and night and see if he likes his "Stay at home" mandate so much.

josip · 19-02-2021 01:28PM

antgal23 wrote: »

It's probably been highlighted here already but I have a question

If 2/3 s of new cases are under 45 ( not going to die) and numbers are falling why persist with Level 5?

Yes, it's been highlighted 4 posts above yours

CONSI · 19-02-2021 01:33PM

What I find frustrating is that originally we had an R Rate that we had to get below, then it was cases, then it was hospitalisations. The message doesnt remain consistent. Places like Kerry or some other counties have been trending below 10 cases a day for a while and still cant reopen or extend their 5km movement (not in Kerry myself but it was one county I remember from the report I saw). People can take 9 more weeks of this when the vaccine roll out plan is such a shambles and no end in sight

DellyBelly · 19-02-2021 01:36PM

Instead of continuing at Level 5 for another 9 weeks what I would prefer to happen is have real draconian restrictions for 3 to 4 weeks instead. Like the French did have a letter where you can only go out for 1 hour a day for excersie or go to a shop..curfew at 9pm. Can only travel 2km like the initial lockdown. Then you should see the numbers drop and then maybe open it up in mid April at lever 3/4. Waiting until mid May or beyond at level 5 is cruel...

JMNolan · 19-02-2021 01:41PM

My son has a few buddies over today and he's heading off tonight for a house party. He's thrilled and I'm thrilled for him.

LineOfBeauty · 19-02-2021 01:41PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That’s kind of the point. The last poster wanted them to throw the people a bone. It turns out they’re opening schools which is pretty big for a lot of people, but it’s not enough.

Peopep aren’t happy and throwing them bones won’t actually make them happy. They’re better to stick to the plan of getting numbers down, getting the vaccine rolled out and reopening to stay open, the throwing people bones. Because people won’t be happy with being thrown bones.

I wouldn't consider opening schools to be a consolidation to the public at all in any case.

And when you have people in government talking about the potential of a winter lockdown in 2021 the "reopen to stay open" line of thought is rather difficult for people to get behind.

From your perspective, and apparently the government perspective, the best way to reduce Covid transmission and protect the health care service is via a full lockdown. I can't disagree, maybe some people who are more up to date with the data might say an effective tracing system is more effective but I don't know so I can't argue that. So OK, Level 5 lockdown is the most effective way at reducing Covid transmission, but I think that what a lot of people are saying is that looking at it purely through that prism is the wrong way to go about it. Obviously you want to reduce numbers, hospitalizations and deaths as much as possible, but equally there's something to be said for balance in regards to the everyday lives of people, in regards to some people's livelihoods ect.

You can't tell me that if they said, OK in April we plan on opening up certain services, we will allow otherdoor gatherings with 1 other household, we will allow non contact sports, all things which you'd imagine are reasonably low risk, that the tone on this thread and the tone elsewhere today would be the same. And there's absolutely no way that you can justify 5 months of full lockdown (on top of however many weeks there was before the break in December) only to end up in a position where our Summer looks all but gone and they're still hinting at potential further lockdowns. Nobody can justify that.

When will it all end?

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