When will it all end?

aido79

CalamariFritti wrote: »

You kinda hit the nail on the head here.
People with broken bones go to the hospital because they have a broken bone. Thats what you call a case.
Thats quite different to x-raying 10,000 people a day who felt an itch on their shin or felt nothing at all.

Have you got proof that covid19 has never been spread by someone who is either asymptomatic or before they have had symptoms? Do you honestly believe all cases are spread only by people who are showing symptoms of covid19?

CalamariFritti

aido79 wrote: »

Have you got proof that covid19 has never been spread by someone who is either asymptomatic or before they have had symptoms? Do you honestly believe all cases are spread only by people who are showing symptoms of covid19?

Whats that got to do with what you said earlier? I was merely pointing out that your analogy sucks.

Edit: Never mind, I take that back. I wasnt just attacking the analogy and I concede your point. Your analogy still sucks though.

josip

davidbeckham32 wrote: »

looking like most of this year is a write off at this stage?

That's what they want you to think.
Rage, rage against the dying light.

GT89

aido79 wrote: »

They take advice from people who are experts in the area of disease control, immunology, microbiology etc.

You on the other hand watch YouTube videos that align with your narrative, believe everything on conspiracy theory websites and get your information from Twitter.

I prefer the politicians' approach.

And these people are only experts in diseases that already existed long before covid such as Malaria, Ebola and Aids. They are not experts in covid as covid has only been around a year supposedly meaning that one can not have studied it in any great depth and any measures being are only guesswork.

Professor Delores Cahill is an immunologist who has a very different view on things. Why isn't she on NPHET.

aido79

GT89 wrote: »

And these people are only experts in diseases that already existed long before covid such as Malaria, Ebola and Aids. They are not experts in covid as covid has only been around a year supposedly meaning that one can not have studied it in any great depth and any measures being are only guesswork.

Professor Delores Cahill is an immunologist who has a very different view on things. Why isn't she on NPHET.

You're probably aware that covid19 is a type of coronavirus at this stage. This type of virus has been intently studied since the 1920's so while there might not have been studies on covid19 there is a lot of information available on diseases closely related to it such as SARS and MERS. I would think with the amount of people involved in the research of covid19 at the stage around the world it's a little bit better than guesswork.

This is why Dolores Cahill isn't on nphet:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/debunked-dolores-cahill-covid-19-video-masks-lockdown-vaccines-5315519-Jan2021/%3famp=1

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN29R2NR

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ucd-professor-asked-to-resign-from-eu-committee-over-covid-19-claims-1.4277698%3fmode=amp

She is nuttier than squirrel sh&t and anyone who takes any notice of her needs their head examined.

ShineOn7

davidbeckham32 wrote: »

looking like most of this year is a write off at this stage?

Of course it is

WHO (and I believe CDC too) have said no pandemic in history has lasted less than 2 years

So people need to accept more that March next year is what we're looking at to see a real difference. We won't see vaccines make a dent in things till October at the least

There's too many people living in denial about things tbh

From holidays to everyone needing instant gratification for everything: we've all become too entitled

And Covid doesn't give a fcuk. It's doing what pandemics do

On the upside: The vaccine news gets better every week. Them and better therapeutics will eventually strangle this to a bad Flu

Eventually


But it won't all happen in 2021

jmlad2020

2022 we will begin to see the COVID ice thaw. Get used to it people you don't need a trip to Lanzarote this summer.

Mimon

jmlad2020 wrote: »

2022 we will begin to see the COVID ice thaw. Get used to it people you don't need a trip to Lanzarote this summer.

A foreign holiday is not a necessity all right but this latest lockdown has shown that people need more social interactions and to be able to see family etc. That is a necessity at this stage.

With the variants it looks like foreign travel won't be a goer this year but hopefully people can get away in Ireland by June/July.

Dred.

My observation is that people are mingling more outdoors

Oberkon

Dred. wrote: »

My observation is that people are mingling more outdoors

Absolutely , I go through malahide park regularly, about 20 lads the other nite standing with a few cans smoking hash . Normally see smaller packs , that was an exception but it’s a regular meeting point for it and general dealing after 6. I’d say it’s the same in many parks
They are bored silly from the looks of it

Micky 32

It’s all well and good with all the condescending and ‘ do gooders’ posts regarding travel. Travel isn’t all about holidays. I was talking to a polish woman and she was quite distressed not knowing when she’ll see her 80+ year old mother back in Poland again.

niallo27

Micky 32 wrote: »

It’s all well and good with all the condescending and ‘ do gooders’ posts regarding travel. Travel isn’t all about holidays. I was talking to a polish woman and she was quite distressed not knowing when she’ll see her 80+ year old mother back in Poland.

They are only on a wind up. Ignore them

Micky 32

niallo27 wrote: »

They are only on a wind up. Ignore them

Along with other agendas….

Mr. Karate

Dred. wrote: »

My observation is that people are mingling more outdoors

Definitely. Yesterday when I was walking my Dog I saw a group of teenagers walking and hanging out together. Not a mask as well. Slowly, but surely people are copping on to this.

Kivaro

Wales are relaxing their restrictions tomorrow. February 20th.
And yet here we are, with the leader of our country telling us that we will have strict restrictions until May.
Do you know that on a clear day you can see Wales from Wexford.

ShineOn7

Kivaro wrote: »

Wales are relaxing their restrictions tomorrow. February 20th.

Yet more mis-information on a Sub-forum brimming with it

On the contrary, their lockdown is now extended

All that's changing from Monday are the schools

Wales lockdown extended for three weeks, with youngest pupils returning to school on Monday

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-wales-lockdown-extended-for-three-weeks-with-youngest-pupils-returning-to-school-on-monday-12222339

Kivaro

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Yet more mis-information on a Sub-forum brimming with it

On the contrary, their lockdown is now extended

All that's changing from Monday are the schools


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-wales-lockdown-extended-for-three-weeks-with-youngest-pupils-returning-to-school-on-monday-12222339

Yet this misinformation was reported by Channel 5 news and the BBC a few minutes ago (approx. 9 pm). They also reported the type of easing, including exercising outside in groups of 4, and hairdressers and other non-essential shops opening up in March (next month).

ShineOn7

Kivaro wrote: »

Yet this misinformation was reported by Channel 5 news and the BBC a few minutes ago (approx. 9 pm). They also reported the type of easing, including exercising outside in groups of 4, and hairdressers and other non-essential shops opening up in March (next month).

Then either the news I heard earlier on a big British radio station and the biggest news outlet in the UK - Sky - are wrong

Or the BBC are

Channel 5 are a nothing burger in terms of media respect

markodaly

josip wrote: »

Because for reasons only known to themselves, they set a ridiculous opening up criteria of <100 cases for 28 days.

As a matter of interest, what criteria should be used to reopen back up?

If not cases per day, then what?

Silentcorner

markodaly wrote: »

As a matter of interest, what criteria should be used to reopen back up?

If not cases per day, then what?

How about a percentage of hospital beds occupied by people who actually are in hospital because of Covid.

We have 11,000 beds, so lets say 2,000 beds occupied for over a 10 day period.

markodaly

Hooked wrote: »

Sure, lock up the over 75's and the very sick...
but it's beyond a joke now to lock up the rest of us...

At the end of the day it boils to a "Me me me me me me" attitude.
At least some are honest about it that they don't care about others and only themselves.
That is why we have the 'open up right now' brigade.

Kivaro

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Then either the news I heard earlier on a big British radio station and the biggest news outlet in the UK - Sky - are wrong

Or the BBC are

Channel 5 are a nothing burger in terms of media respect

Grand. I'm sure anything positive can be quelled then due to the conflicting reports.

markodaly

Silentcorner wrote: »

How about a percentage of hospital beds occupied by people who actually are in hospital because of Covid.

We have 11,000 beds, so lets say 2,000 beds occupied for over a 10 day period.

Because we know from past experience that this is a highly transmissible disease.
Using that metric would be a disaster, as we saw from opening up for a few weeks before Christmas.

No, and I mean no public health expert advises that metric by the way.

markodaly

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The WHO are dick swinging about after the vulnerable are vaccinated, we should be giving our vaccines to ****house countries. The G7 are meeting today about it.

I can Micheal Martin, Varadkar and Coveney handing over hundreds of thousands of vaccines, to secure their own status amongst the global NGOs and keeping us under Level 2-3 Restrictions..

It is genuinely an Us vs Them scenario.

With all due respect, F**k Botswana and F**k Nicaragua.

Ah, ****hole countries, like Trump once said? :rolleyes:

Labaik

Well the Brazilian variant is here. 3 cases confirmed from recent travel. What a shambles how the government has handled this crisis.

Silentcorner

markodaly wrote: »

Because we know from past experience that this is a highly transmissible disease.
Using that metric would be a disaster, as we saw from opening up for a few weeks before Christmas.

No, and I mean no public health expert advises that metric by the way.

You mean the same health authorities who are imposing the harshest, most inhumane, economically and socially destructive policies ever witnessed despite the complete absence of scientific or medical data to back them up?

If hospital bed occupancy is not a solid metric then I don't know what is...

Call me Al

Labaik wrote: »

Well the Brazilian variant is here. 3 cases confirmed from recent travel. What a shambles how the government has handled this crisis.

Have they been in quarantine?

GazzaL

markodaly wrote: »

At the end of the day it boils to a "Me me me me me me" attitude.
At least some are honest about it that they don't care about others and only themselves.
That is why we have the 'open up right now' brigade.

The people working from home on full pay don't give a **** about the rest of society. They have record savings thanks to reduced travel, food, and childcare. Johnny the builder and Mary the beautician next door can't afford to pay their mortgage while on the PUP but they can go **** themselves.

JimCore

Kivaro wrote: »

Wales are relaxing their restrictions tomorrow. February 20th.
And yet here we are, with the leader of our country telling us that we will have strict restrictions until May.
Do you know that on a clear day you can see Wales from Wexford.

Are you serious. We just relaxed restrictions at Christmas and people went nuts. Leading to an explosion in cases. Until large numbers are vaccinated measures should stay in place otherwise we risk producing new variants, high death tolls and an overwhelmed health service.

Its people not following health guidelines that has us where we are.

bucketybuck

JimCore wrote: »

Are you serious. We just relaxed restrictions at Christmas and people went nuts.

Sick of hearing this horse****.

"People went nuts". :rolleyes: Yeah, I remember them packing out Coppers and having raves in Croke park alright.