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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #7322
    batman_oh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Dr. Em wrote: »
    Back in the first lockdown before they introduced the 2km restriction (as it was at the time), all the local beauty spots were overrun at the weekend and there were queues outside the petrol stations where people were stopping for picnic supplies. The 5km restriction is primarily to stop everyone from towns congregating at the one nearest wild space and making social distancing impossible. I don't like it, but I see the problem.

    I'm living in Santry and my 5km is basically Ballymun, Finglas, Glasnevin and the M50. If I go anywhere that isn't the M50 at the weekend when the weather is decent it is completely rammed with people because there is nothing to do other than walk. There are a couple of parks in my 5km and they aren't that big, it's near impossible to avoid hoardes of people.
    Unless you just do all your walking at night time in housing estates - which is an amazing thing to be allowed to do really (for half a year or more).

    Surely letting people spread out a bit more would be better, seeing as the risk of transmission outdoors is a lot lower anyway. This one little change would help a lot of people deal with this better.


  • #7323
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,145 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Such as? What's an unemployed barman in a hivis gonna do?

    I know exactly what robbiezero would say to said barman if he tried to stop him going onto a beach


  • #7324
    Dr. Em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭Dr. Em


    batman_oh wrote: »
    I'm living in Santry and my 5km is basically Ballymun, Finglas, Glasnevin and the M50. If I go anywhere that isn't the M50 at the weekend when the weather is decent it is completely rammed with people because there is nothing to do other than walk. There are a couple of parks in my 5km and they aren't that big, it's near impossible to avoid hoardes of people.
    Unless you just do all your walking at night time in housing estates - which is an amazing thing to be allowed to do really! Surely letting people spread out a bit more would be better, seeing as the risk of transmission outdoors is a lot lower anyway.

    It is much worse in cities and is an unpleasant situation to be stuck in. The idea is that several hundred from a 5km area still keep the spread down more then several thousand from many different areas passing eachother on one small path in Glendalough.


  • #7325
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Dr. Em wrote: »
    This happened outside a relatively small town. There aren't many wild spaces per person throughout Ireland - even beaches in Donegal had to close for overcrowding at different times during the lockdown. What solution would you propose?

    Have someone keep a count on numbers entering beauty spots or car parks and either close up once a certain point is reached and/or call guards to do same (they don't seem to have much else to be doing anyway).

    Surely the same issues are occurring within the 5km anyway. I know St Annes beside me is mobbed whenever weather is decent. Dollymount too.


  • #7326
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    I know exactly what robbiezero would say to said barman if he tried to stop him going onto a beach

    No you don't. You haven't the first clue. But no surprise there.


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  • #7327
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    HereinBray wrote: »
    Untrue.

    In Ireland you have three months to register a death.

    I'm done with this thread. Constant bickering and sniping.
    It used to be informative but now it's just the same few posters spewing hatred and nonsense.

    And no - calling politicians and NPHET members name isn't funny - it's juvenile.

    You should of been around this thread at the start, it’s generally always suffered from angry misinformed people attacking people wanting to get informed and discuss it. Scaremongering was the buzz word from January to at least March last year. Anytime you tried to discuss the merits of the virus coming here a certain group would attack you and add nothing to the conversation basically trying to spoil the threads in a putting your hands over your ears and going “la la la la la, I’m not listening” manner. “Curtain twitchers” is a particularly nasty term that’s been allowed to flourish in this thread over the 12 months, which proved how chronically incapable some people are at engaging with people who have differing opinions to their own.

    It’s only in China. It’s only a few people, it’s only a few deaths, it’s only in Asia , it’s only a flu .... The amount of mass delusion regularly shown in this thread and society in general is a real eye opener to people’s sentiments on this outbreak. People letting their feelings and their personal motives drive their own truth.

    “The news is scary, why can’t it be more optimistic”? Maybe Because it’s a ongoing global crisis. Have people ever watched the news? In time of peace when Gareth Brooks concert being cancelled was the headline story most of the news is bad news. Don’t expect good news from mediums that seldom promote good news. There’s your problem, not RTÉ or the news media or NEPHET, it’s people looking for these mediums to make them feel better.. NEPHETs job isn’t to tell you everything is gonna be alright, so don’t expect it and get angry when they aren’t giving you what you want.

    Science and common sense quite often has been ignored and when it’s come back to bite us the people find somebody else to blame, in Ireland it’s the governments or NEPHET. People want what they want and will build whatever narrative that suits their agenda.

    What saddens and worry’s me the most is that I don’t see us learning anything really as a country or a species. Everybody is focusing on the vaccine and opening up. Absolutely no conversations are happening in a meaningful and serious way on how we can prevent this from happening again or on making sure we can manage it better the next time. This is a massive failing, particularly in western society that never really fixed the problems that caused the great financial crash in the 00s. We have a tendency to move on from a crisis once it’s not on front of us instead of implementing changes that will reduce the impact a similar event may have on us in the future.

    This crisis was predicted many many times but nobody listened. Many people dismiss and ignore the doomsday clock scientists in a similar fashion because people in general do not want to think about how fragile and chaotic our existence truly is. The peace treaties and lives we take for granted are illusions to the savage nature of the universe ( and humans savage nature) that doesn’t give a flying feck about what we want or think is our right.

    Meh, I know I’ve really gone off on one here, prob best I take the dog out and walk it off... :P


  • #7328
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    robbiezero wrote: »
    And 1 year on, there is no possible way to mitigate this? None whatsoever?

    Nope, there are plenty of ways in theory, but so many don't want their rights crushed to dust so blanket rules have to be implemented instead of giving people a little leeway to use common sense.

    Even at present, as a nation, we're treating restrictions a la carte. I would love the 5km rule to be scrapped, but as long as we're this far into a pandemic and you still have people unable to apply a little critical thinking, assuming 5km has no impact, thinking a €9 meal is some form of virus protection and that any authority which implements a curfew believes the virus doesnt come out at night, then we'll have to put up with blanket rules.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd love to be ignorant to it all and unable to see logic, those people seem far happier tbh.


  • #7329
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    what? :confused::confused:

    (from the horses mouth ...aka my brother.......they don't have to wear masks in NY where he is, no 5km restrictions, and he says non essential shops in Brooklyn are open).

    You’re right. Non essential retail, hair salons/grooming services, museums and gyms are all open. Cinemas in some districts/boroughs are open, but not in others.
    Cafes, bars and restaurants have been open for outdoor dining for the last few months, and as of last week (the 12th of Feb.), indoor dining is permitted again with restrictions on capacity, etc. but no time limit or minimum spending requirement to access alcohol.
    Citizens are allowed to have up to 10 guests visit their homes. No 5k rule.

    My best friend lives there too and can’t believe how heavy handed our restrictions are compared to over there. By all accounts they’re living a far more normal life than we are here.


  • #7330
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,772 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Multipass wrote: »
    My Dad is 89 and has been told it will be another 3 weeks before his appointment.

    it's a joke at this stage

    yet it was wall to wall coverage of GPs doing radio and TV interviews about how they couldn't get wait to get their patients in on Monday

    government PR pieces


  • #7331
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,350 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    lawred2 wrote: »
    it's a joke at this stage

    yet it was wall to wall coverage of GPs doing radio and TV interviews about how they couldn't get wait to get their patients in on Monday

    government PR pieces

    We were told it would take 3 weeks to get through the over 85's, it's taking 3 weeks.

    What's the joke?


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  • #7332
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    What is the point of the 5km restriction? Can anyone answer this?

    My brother from New York thinks he can fly home for Easter to see my Mum who is sick with Covid (hope she makes it). They are more or less opened up there. He couldnt believe about quarantines, isolation and 5km restrictions here !! (so he's not coming).

    I was speaking to my sister in the UK last night. She cannot understand why we are restricted to 5km in the Republic of Ireland. She said "are you not all going mad ?" :rolleyes:

    I can deal with almost any other restriction but I think if we are sacrificing so much and all international travel is shut then we should be free to move about the country, for travel..........(not to visit family/friends) but for travel to nice places so we can breathe and allow our minds to dream as feel free again as we walk on a deserted beach in Donegal, Sligo, Mayo, or climb a mountain and see a beautiful view. What is the point of this 5km?? Its driving me mad :(

    Whats the constant hangup with 5km?

    You do know that the 5km limit is for exercise? You can still go beyond that for essential reasons.

    Tbf although second hand conversation with siblings are anecdotal at best - I reckoned you must missed this bit. But no - we are not in a competition with other countries with regard to restrictions. Each country have their own.

    Thus us the UK.
    The third lockdown is in effect across the UK until February 22. In England, people are not allowed to leave their homes without a valid reason. Schools, universities and all businesses not considered essential are closed. Accordingly, 56 million Britons are now only allowed to leave their homes in justifiable cases, for example to go to work, go shopping or for medical appointments. Throughout the UK, there are hefty fines for violations of the current coronavirus rules: Failure to comply with the quarantine regulations, for example, could result in fines of up to ₤10,000 (€11,000; $13,330). 

    The issue is not about travelling 300 miles to climb a mountain by yourself in deepest darkest donegal - its the 400 eejits who all decide to do the same thing and all have to stop get a refill of petrol / stop for a chicken fillet roll / all use the jax on the way there or back.

    :rolleyes:


  • #7333
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Multipass wrote: »
    My Dad is 89 and has been told it will be another 3 weeks before his appointment.
    I'd say it's down to supplies. Moderna, which is being used this week, is in more limited supply plus some of the Pfizer doses are needed for 2nd shots.


  • #7334
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,666 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So instead of "more than 8,000 vaccinations completed in single day as delivery ramps up in line with increase in supply", we get "only 66 were given to over 85's".

    Relentless negative outlook from some

    Not a single day goes by now that I don't hear Mrs. Doyle

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI0MRyUFIXU


  • #7335
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    We were told it would take 3 weeks to get through the over 85's, it's taking 3 weeks.

    What's the joke?

    No, everyone should be done on day 1, even if we don't have the supply yet


  • #7336
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    robbiezero wrote: »
    I know St Annes beside me is mobbed whenever weather is decent. Dollymount too.

    Wonder what it would be like if everyone from further afield weren't discouraged from vising......?


  • #7337
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,145 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    robbiezero wrote: »
    No you don't. You haven't the first clue. But no surprise there.

    Since you've "been ignoring this idiocy" as you say, what exactly would you have said to powerless yellow vest man as he stopped you from entering a beach/park?


  • #7338
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Yeah, but it's not as if they are not doing it. The media been all over the story this week.
    Right.
    I'm not sure what your point is though.

    The figure of 66, is the number of vaccinations reported as having been inserted into someone's arm.

    This doesn't mean that the HSE have only delivered 66 doses to GPs. And it's quite likely the number is larger than 66, but the GPs have simply not reported in yet.


  • #7339
    bennyineire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,518 ✭✭✭bennyineire


    lawred2 wrote: »
    it's a joke at this stage

    yet it was wall to wall coverage of GPs doing radio and TV interviews about how they couldn't get wait to get their patients in on Monday

    government PR pieces

    3 weeks is a decent enough turn around in the grander scheme of things. Some people are getting them today some have to wait 3 weeks, that's kind of how it works.

    Everyone can't be done in literally 1 day, you do understand that right?


  • #7340
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,561 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    seamus wrote: »
    Right.
    I'm not sure what your point is though.

    The figure of 66, is the number of vaccinations reported as having been inserted into someone's arm.

    This doesn't mean that the HSE have only delivered 66 doses to GPs. And it's quite likely the number is larger than 66, but the GPs have simply not reported in yet.

    The GPs aren't using the main vaccine reporting system. Wouldn't put much stock in daily numbers coming out this week, many will only fully report what they've done on a weekly basis.


  • #7341
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    MrMusician18 wrote: »

    If everyone had actually behaved instead of "knowing better" this would be essentially over    .




    If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Will never happen. Just like COVID will never go away as a disease, 100% of people will never ever "behave".


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  • #7342
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Since you've "been ignoring this idiocy" as you say, what exactly would you have said to powerless yellow vest man as he stopped you from entering a beack/park?

    I'd have said grand job and just headed off someplace else.
    Just someone doing his/her job, no need of any aggro and if the beach or park is getting crowded, then fair enough, I'll just go someplace else, its a sparsely populated country full of open spaces.

    Not the answer you want I know.....


  • #7343
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,145 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Will never happen. Just like COVID will never go away as a disease, 100% of people will never ever "behave".

    People call on government to deal with the crisis. Government looks to experts to give it advice on how to slow and stop this. Government passes this onto the public in the form of information campaigns and regulations, in which a large proportion of the population ignore to varying extents.

    The population then blames government for the crisis not going away? Something's not computing here.


  • #7344
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,145 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    robbiezero wrote: »
    I'd have said grand job and just headed off someplace else.
    Just someone doing his/her job, no need of any aggro and if the beach or park is getting crowded, then fair enough, I'll just go someplace else, its a sparsely populated country full of open spaces.

    Not the answer you want I know.....
    If you're so compliant then you'll have no problems with the current regulations so.


  • #7345
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    You’re right. Non essential retail, hair salons/grooming services, museums and gyms are all open. Cinemas in some districts/boroughs are open, but not in others.
    Cafes, bars and restaurants have been open for outdoor dining for the last few months, and as of last week (the 12th of Feb.), indoor dining is permitted again with restrictions on capacity, etc. but no time limit or minimum spending requirement to access alcohol.
    Citizens are allowed to have up to 10 guests visit their homes. No 5k rule.

    My best friend lives there too and can’t believe how heavy handed our restrictions are compared to over there. By all accounts they’re living a far more normal life than we are here.


    All that and the US is in the top 10 countries with the number of deaths (per million) in the world.

    But God forbid 'restrictions' like :rolleyes:


  • #7346
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Wonder what it would be like if everyone from further afield weren't discouraged from vising......?

    I'd imagine similar to before the pandemic. A lot less people visiting.


  • #7347
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    If you're so compliant then you'll have no problems with the current regulations so.

    Can you really not see a difference between being told that a certain amenity is a bit too crowded and to go elsewhere; and being confined to within 5km?


  • #7348
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    People call on government to deal with the crisis. Government looks to experts to give it advice on how to slow and stop this. Government passes this onto the public in the form of information campaigns and regulations, in which a large proportion of the population ignore to varying extents.

    The population then blames government for the crisis not going away? Something's not computing here.


    A large proportion? How large?


    The govt. / higher ups aren't infallible either. Not saying they're responsible for the rise in cases, but they messed up too.



    Leo in the park with his cans
    Golfgate
    Meat plants/direct provision scandals
    RTE party (not government but they are front and center every day talking and pushing these measures, acting as a mouthpiece for the govt.)
    Lifting restrictions for Christmas
    Norma Foley in general


    Look, I can see your point and I agree with it to an extent, but to err is human. We're all shouldering the burden.

    PS. My tone may come across as hostile but it isn't!


  • #7349
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    gozunda wrote: »
    All that and the US is fuked and in the top 10 countries of the number of deaths (per million) in the world.

    But God forbid 'restrictions' like :rolleyes:

    You’re not wrong, but that’s not the point I was making, and not what was being discussed.
    @Sweetmaggie was called a liar (twice) for saying New York is open for business.
    She’s not lying, the majority of industries and services are open over there. They do have a lot more normality and our approach is a lot more heavy handed than theirs is. These are all facts.


  • #7350
    batman_oh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    You’re not wrong, but that’s not the point I was making, and not what was being discussed. @Sweetmaggie was called a liar (twice) for saying New York is open for business.
    She’s not lying, the majority of industries and services are open over there.

    Sure we have had the new travel restrictions thing posted multiple times to show that apparently the UK, Germany etc. have had more restrictions than us over the course of this when they haven't.


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  • #7351
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,171 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Have people given up on masks?

    I've been in 6 big workplace this week and the staff are all interacting with no masks.


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