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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #7262
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,679 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I blame the parents.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #7263
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I have heard a child say something similar, perhaps not as emotivally, o can well believe it.

    Anyone with young kids know that they a, talk an awful lot of ****e b, repeat phrases they have heard on television and in conversation and c, hear EVERYTHING

    I think people who don't have kids.. or have grown up kids don't know/forget the type of stuff they will come out with


  • #7264
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    mloc123 wrote: »
    The UK variant is an easy excuse for Martin and Johnson... "it is nothing to do with the poor decisions we have made to now... it is all due to this new variant"




    I bet they felt some.. shrinkage.. when Mike Ryan from the WHO said it was not due to any variant, but increased social activity. Talk about a smackdown!!


  • #7265
    crossman47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,606 ✭✭✭crossman47


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    I ignored it because it was silly - it portrays the Irish as morons. Like ludramáns set loose to helplessly act out. Most people I know are not like that.

    Unfortunately, a significant minority are. If the government spoke today about a limited easing of restrictions, some would take it as a signal to resume normal living - they would ignore any caveats, etc.


  • #7266
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,264 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Dr Niamh Lynch, Consultant Paediatrician just on Newstalk now. It was sobering. She is seriously concerned about the mental health of children she is seeing now. Silence, sadness, depression...........all from lack of interaction with their peer group. They are getting nothing out of Zoom classes now.

    The World Health Organisation and the European Centre for Disease Control have also said children NEED to be in school and they are at such low risk. What we are doing to our children will cause far greater issues down the line than Covid.


    Yesterday I was in a petrol station paying for diesel. There was a mother with her baby in a pram and her son who was about 6 years old. He was glued to her , holding the pram and said twice in the shop "can we get Coronavirus here"?? He was pale and quiet. If this is a representation of what's happening its very very worrying.
    I read the interview and it brought tears to my eyes . The kids are suffering quietly now and it is desperately sad to see.More and more I am getting texts about children crying and upset and not knowing why .

    I see Dr Mike Ryan of the WHO now also speaking out about no more L5 after this one

    I remember reading during the first lockdown how you can only severely restrict people for at most six weeks as they then wont comply . I remember i think Leo saying " we only have one shot at this so need to get the timing right"
    This is now too much for people , more and more people are making up their own mind while being careful and meeting in gardens etc . I put my warm layers on last week and donned my hat and scarf and sat in a friends garden who was in need of a chat . If they think they will stop people doing that now they are wrong , its now too much and affecting peoples mental health .


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  • #7267
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,350 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I have heard a child say something similar, perhaps not as emotivally, o can well believe it.

    One of mine, 5, on the other had declared Covid a myth a few months back and after the schools didn't go back said we just need to learn to live with covid

    The sentence I can believe, the pale scared child clinging to his mother's pram like Jack in titanic...... At the very least I'm calling poetic license on that.


  • #7268
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,350 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I read the interview and it brought tears to my eyes . The kids are suffering quietly now and it is desperately sad to see.More and more I am getting texts about children crying and upset and not knowing why .

    I see Dr Mike Ryan of the WHO now also speaking out about no more L5 after this one

    I remember reading during the first lockdown how you can only severely restrict people for at most six weeks as they then wont comply . I remember i think Leo saying " we only have one shot at this so need to get the timing right"
    This is now too much for people , more and more people are making up their own mind while being careful and meeting in gardens etc . I put my warm layers on last week and donned my hat and scarf and sat in a friends garden who was in need of a chat . If they think they will stop people doing that now they are wrong , its now too much and affecting peoples mental health .

    They don't though, it's called a bubble, you could have even gone inside......


  • #7269
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,264 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    They don't though, it's called a bubble, you could have even gone inside......

    I couldnt , she already has a bubble and so have i .


  • #7270
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,397 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    So, with the roll out of the vaccine to over 85s this week.... a grand total of 66 jabs were given to over 85s by GPs on Monday.
    This is appalling. How can such a massive failure be accepted?


  • #7271
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,264 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    The sentence I can believe, the pale scared child clinging to his mother's pram like Jack in titanic...... At the very least I'm calling poetic license on that.

    How would you know . ? The child could have lost his nana to Covid for all you know . I could tell you more stories of upset kids and how they cried in bed but I wont because we all know they are affected and dont need to read about individual cases .If you know anything at all about kids you would know that this is affecting them

    Have a read and educate yourself about the effect on kids


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-40228529.html


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  • #7272
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    So, with the roll out of the vaccine to over 85s this week.... a grand total of 66 jabs were given to over 85s by GPs on Monday.
    This is appalling. How can such a massive failure be accepted?

    My Dad is 89 and has been told it will be another 3 weeks before his appointment.


  • #7273
    mohawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭mohawk


    6 wrote: »
    No problem with frontline workers getting looked after.


    I can actually see OP’s point somewhat. In an ideal world yes this all sounds lovely. However, we are borrowing money and that will have to be paid back by the taxpayers. Also look at amount of people who are out of work right now. Job losses have disproportionally affected younger workers. Workers who will be at least a year behind saving for homes, building their careers for promotions and pay rises. These people lost jobs through no fault of their own. Did many frontline workers work harder then ever before during the surges..yes. On other hand they have job security. So I can imagine that for some people sitting at home after losing their job or business that this plan would annoy them.

    I do think many frontline staff would appreciate additional leave this year and next.


  • #7274
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    crossman47 wrote: »
    Unfortunately, a significant minority are. If the government spoke today about a limited easing of restrictions, some would take it as a signal to resume normal living - they would ignore any caveats, etc.
    Twelve months into this some people have given up on what they should be doing. That doesn't make them to blame, just human. There are plenty of signs of this around us and in our own lives of people just having had enough of it. For now most of middle Ireland are holding the line but that will not last too much longer. Schools returning next month are vital as well as evidence that there is an actual plan to unwind these restrictions. For now there is caution, more caution and comments about months more of this.


  • #7275
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    I ignored it because it was silly - it portrays the Irish as morons. Like ludramáns set loose to helplessly act out. Most people I know are not like that.

    Meeting a few friends for a meal and a drink or visiting family???
    Most people I know are like that.


  • #7276
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    batman_oh wrote: »
    Where in the EU currently has heavier restrictions that have been going on as long as here, essentially since October with a 3 week break and that are currently on course to last as they are now (excluding schools) until April or May, with apparently only a slight easing then until June/July according to the leaks? Also are there any that had restrictions in place as heavy as we did throughout last summer when cases where near zero?

    Take a read if you are in any doubt

    https://m.dw.com/en/european-travel-restrictions-non-essential-travel-curbed/a-56350272

    This is just some of the restrictions in the UK for example
    The third lockdown is in effect across the UK until February 22. In England, people are not allowed to leave their homes without a valid reason. Schools, universities and all businesses not considered essential are closed. Accordingly, 56 million Britons are now only allowed to leave their homes in justifiable cases, for example to go to work, go shopping or for medical appointments. Throughout the UK, there are hefty fines for violations of the current coronavirus rules: Failure to comply with the quarantine regulations, for example, could result in fines of up to ₤10,000 (€11,000; $13,330). 

    The UK government have indicated that restrictions are likley to remain largely in place until April / May ...

    But yes every country is different and its not a competition to see which country is the worstest. We have restrictions for a reason even if some eejits are refusing ro abide by them :mad:


  • #7277
    Dr. Em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭Dr. Em


    It doesn't really matter what other countries open up or don't as long as there is uncontrolled community spread in Ireland. If we open up now, there will be another spike and repeat. People find it so easy to take no personal responsibility for prolonging the restrictions, leaving those who do follow the restrictions feeling angry, fed-up and helpless because all their efforts are having little effect.
    The hospitals 'managed' the spike, but how many health staff are going to walk away from entirely if they have to deal with another spike? Everyone has their breaking point.

    In any case, we should really be celebrating the fact that the numbers are still coming down, if slowly, more vaccines are coming in every day, and better weather is on its way. There are still some positives.


  • #7278
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,145 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    PmMeUrDogs wrote: »
    NPHET are always hugely concerned. They were hugely concerned at single digit daily cases

    Weren't they right to be? Remember this all started from single digit cases


  • #7279
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Klonker wrote: »
    Could you name some of these EU countries that have harsher restrictions than ours and what they are?

    Cases here have not plateaued since, they are falling quicker than anywhere else in the EU. We had the highest rates in Europe in early January but we don't anymore and soon will be one of the best.

    Most people aren't asking for everything to open up now. What we are complaining about is what government are leaking to us, possible level 5 until May or June. Schools and construction should be opened now because they never should have closed in the first place. Then mid March have a look at easing 5km rule and so on from there. If numbers start to rise significantly we can always row back a small bit.

    It's very hard to compare restrictions to the point where you can absolutely rank them by harshness.
    I mean, one country could have a 5km limit and the other has a 9pm curfew - which is more draconian? I don't know.

    We're definitely in one of the harsher lockdowns in Europe right now, but it's relative to the size of our outbreak and the new variant taking over like nowhere else outside the UK.

    As for right now, there's a number of countries with similarly harsh lockdowns to us, but Portugal's seems by far the most difficult. They've shut parks and beaches. It's an old fashioned STAY THE **** HOME lockdown.


  • #7280
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Twelve months into this some people have given up on what they should be doing. That doesn't make them to blame, just human. There are plenty of signs of this around us and in our own lives of people just having had enough of it. For now most of middle Ireland are holding the line but that will not last too much longer. Schools returning next month are vital as well as evidence that there is an actual plan to unwind these restrictions. For now there is caution, more caution and comments about months more of this.

    So who isn't?


  • #7281
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Dr. Em wrote: »
    It doesn't really matter what other countries open up or don't as long as there is uncontrolled community spread in Ireland. If we open up now, there will be another spike and repeat. People find it so easy to take no personal responsibility for prolonging the restrictions, leaving those who do follow the restrictions feeling angry, fed-up and helpless because all their efforts are having little effect.
    The hospitals 'managed' the spike, but how many health staff are going to walk away from entirely if they have to deal with another spike? Everyone has their breaking point.

    In any case, we should really be celebrating the fact that the numbers are still coming down, if slowly, more vaccines are coming in every day, and better weather is on its way. There are still some positives.

    So if schools and constuction opened on Monday you think there would be a spike?


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  • #7282
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,541 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    So, with the roll out of the vaccine to over 85s this week.... a grand total of 66 jabs were given to over 85s by GPs on Monday.
    This is appalling. How can such a massive failure be accepted?

    Where are you getting that figure from?


  • #7283
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    I noticed that the levels of vomit on pavements in the morning around Dublin is on the increase - levels not seen since mid December. So indoor parties are on the increase.

    Nphet need to update their models immediately to allow for this leading factor in predicting the levels of covid :eek::pac:


  • #7284
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,397 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Where are you getting that figure from?

    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1362341966697086981


  • #7285
    mohawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭mohawk


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    The sentence I can believe, the pale scared child clinging to his mother's pram like Jack in titanic...... At the very least I'm calling poetic license on that.

    I have seen a huge change in my child as have nearly all parents I know. Babies and young toddlers seem to be doing okay.
    We are seeing anxiety, loss of emotional control, tantrums in kids that had grown out of them, sadness, anger, sleep issues etc.

    As restrictions are eased parents would definitely be happy to see children’s activities prioritised.

    This is taking a huge toll on children. I can’t bear to think about children living in abusive homes or children living in poverty. Will those children ever recover from this.


  • #7286
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    So who isn't?
    Not sure what answer you're looking for here.


  • #7287
    Dr. Em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭Dr. Em


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Weren't they right to be? Remember this all started from single digit cases

    It is easier to stop a spike when the numbers are low. Oslo is in a similar lockdown to Ireland right now and Norway's 14 day average is 69/100k vs. Ireland's 327/100k. They will be able to lift restrictions after 2-4 weeks though, not 2-4 months. We are paying the long price for Christmas.


  • #7288
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1362341966697086981

    So instead of "more than 8,000 vaccinations completed in single day as delivery ramps up in line with increase in supply", we get "only 66 were given to over 85's".

    Relentless negative outlook from some


  • #7289
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    The sentence I can believe, the pale scared child clinging to his mother's pram like Jack in titanic...... At the very least I'm calling poetic license on that.

    whatever makes you feel good....

    The boy was pale (maybe because he is indoors most of the time, this was my point).....he was holding on to the pram and would not let go. The reason I noticed this so much is that he was a tall child and his poor mum was struggling to reach across him to open the door to get the buggy out! It was noticeable that as a tall 6 year old (ish) boy he didn't help him mum open the door but clung to the pram handle. For a minute I was watching and thinking that lad needs to help his mum a bit more!! Then when I was driving away I thought more about it, it really struck me as odd because its not something you would normally see with a child that age.

    I'm not a regular poster here so when I do take the time to write a post , its not lies.


  • #7290
    batman_oh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    gozunda wrote: »
    Take a read if you are in any doubt

    https://m.dw.com/en/european-travel-restrictions-non-essential-travel-curbed/a-56350272

    This is just some of the restrictions in the UK for example

    The UK government have indicated that restrictions are likley to remain largely in place until April / May ...

    But yes every country is different and its not a competition to see which country is the worstest. We have restrictions for a reason even if some eejits are refusing ro abide by them :mad:

    I know people that live in the UK and they haven't had the same level of restrictions that we have. They haven't been stuck within 5km for months and haven't had bars and restaurants closed as long as us. We are likely to be confined to our own counties until late June or July based on what they have been leaking. Italy, Spain and France all had bars and restaurants open last year when we didn't - they are still open in most parts of Spain just with a curfew.
    That link is mainly about travel restrictions and enforcement into and out of the various countries. Even The Netherlands which has had long and fairly harsh restrictions allows you to travel around, meet people in their homes and has bars and restaurants open with curfews.
    The 5km rule we have here for as long as we have had it is almost completely unique across the whole world.


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  • #7291
    HereinBray
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭HereinBray


    prunudo wrote: »
    To scare people into compliance.

    But at the same time when they announced 100 one day in January, its quite possible when retrospective numbers are added that there were close to that on particular days during the peak.

    Untrue.

    In Ireland you have three months to register a death.

    I'm done with this thread. Constant bickering and sniping.
    It used to be informative but now it's just the same few posters spewing hatred and nonsense.

    And no - calling politicians and NPHET members name isn't funny - it's juvenile.


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