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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #7172
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    PIMS is a post viral condition. Not surprising at all that they tested negative. Now given that Covid is the most prevalent virus this year it is probably the most likely virus that triggered the boys condition. We can be pretty much certain it wasn’t flu anyway

    I don't doubt that PIMS can happen in rare circumstances. What I do doubt is that the grandparents have accurately reported what the parents were told by a doctor or nurse. We have no evidence that the child has actually been diagnosed with PIMS


  • #7173
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,687 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Dr Tony and NPHET have full control their advice is always considered and taken, sure if they dont get there way they will take to social media and complain

    No way are they going to advise anything under level 4 because of the potential variants that may/will exist


  • #7174
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    I don't doubt that PIMS can happen in rare circumstances. What I do doubt is that the grandparents have accurately reported what the parents were told by a doctor or nurse. We have no evidence that the child has actually been diagnosed with PIMS

    I'd actually use the grandparents lack of knowledge about PIMS as evidence the child has been diagnosed with it tbh, they seem somewhat ill educated

    I don't have children and was aware of PIMS and covid last year

    These grandparents seemed to have no clue at all


  • #7175
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,132 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Be the rebel. We know how that turned out over Christmas and before.

    Off you go. I will have to wait for the JJ vaccine because of age. But there is hope, and it looks like it will be the Flu vaccine of the future. One dose, no cryogenic freezers either. Can be administered anywhere.

    Be fkn positive FGS.


  • #7176
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Stheno wrote: »
    I'd actually use the grandparents lack of knowledge about PIMS as evidence the child has been diagnosed with it tbh, they seem somewhat ill educated

    I don't have children and was aware of PIMS and covid last year

    These grandparents seemed to have no clue at all

    I don't agree. Journalist looking for a story could easily have put words in their mouths. Happens all the time
    Journalist tells them about PIMS, asks them if they think it could be that etc. It's the way a lot of journalists work these days, unfortunately.


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  • #7177
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    brick tamland wrote: »
    There's a lot that I find hard to believe about this more transmissible variant. Still think there is an element of scaring the general public to it. About 2 weeks ago, Martin said the UK variant was increasing the R number by half a percent. Nolan said later that day the R number was currently anout 0.6 Someone's talking out of their arse there and my money isn't on nolan.

    Not that I don't agree with you, but I just wanted to clarify what a per cent is, and what it isn't.

    I usually only get to trot this out around election time, so I'm pleased to get a new chance to do it!

    My usual analogy is that Fianna Fáil got 30% at the last election. Lots of people would say, FF suffered a 5% drop in their vote at this election, and they're now at 25%.

    But that's a drop in percentage points, not in percentage.

    If FF suffered a 5% drop in their vote, they'd actually be at 28.5%.

    In this case it's similar.

    Nolan said the R number was at 0.6, and Martin said the UK variant increased the number by a half of one percent.

    People expected that to mean that the R number would therefore be 1.1 - but it's not. An increase of half a percent from an R=0.6 actually means the new R would be 0.603.

    Whilst Martin has almost certainly taken the worst scenario he can find and is deliberately trying to terrorise people, they could well both be right.
    I regurgitate the news wrote: »
    I have to disagree. I think they did a terrible job on their predictions. Neil Ferguson in the UK has a history of terrible predictions.

    I well remember Sam McConkey charging around the place screeching that a quarter million people were going to die in Ireland.
    niallo27 wrote: »
    I'm giving it till end of February, then to **** with it. I'm going back meeting family and friends. Have enough of nphet running this country.

    Same for me. I will be abiding by restrictions until March 5th, and no longer.

    I'm no longer prepared to live my life under restrictions ordered by an unelected doctor who has no plan other than mass house arrest, implemented by a Government of dubious provenance.
    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Dr Tony and NPHET have full control their advice is always considered and taken, sure if they dont get there way they will take to social media and complain

    No way are they going to advise anything under level 4 because of the potential variants that may/will exist

    NPHET should have been told after the autumn Level 5 débacle that its members must choose between being advisers or campaigners.

    If they want to advise the Government, they should do so in private, and not through the Late Late Show.


  • #7178
    agoodpunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭agoodpunt


    I dont trust the numbers coming from HSE on cases and deaths broadcast on the RTE daily news they both have an insentive to up numbers npet/rte are happy to control weak goverance for there own importance HSE is a bad service for all the money ploughed into it
    that said i dont look RTE anymore


  • #7179
    D.Q
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    b0nk1e wrote: »

    Same for me. I will be abiding by restrictions until March 5th, and no longer.

    I'm no longer prepared to live my life under restrictions ordered by an unelected doctor who has no plan other than mass house arrest, implemented by a Government of dubious provenance.

    Same here. Indefinite rolling level 5, seemingly without any light at the end of the tunnel is sadistic.

    Thos government is an absolute disgrace. They can't even be ****ed addressing the public. Leaking stuff through parliamentary party meetings to their scum hack mates.


  • #7180
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    I don't agree. Journalist looking for a story could easily have put words in their mouths. Happens all the time
    Journalist tells them about PIMS, asks them if they think it could be that etc. It's the way a lot of journalists work these days, unfortunately.

    We may both be right :)


  • #7181
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,702 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    I'm no longer prepared to live my life under restrictions ordered by an unelected doctor who has no plan other than mass house arrest, implemented by a Government of dubious provenance.

    I disagree with this narrative. TH told Government it was a choice between hospitality and household visits before Xmas. Government went off and let hospitality be a seed for a massive Christmas outbreak.

    If TH was ordering stuff we wouldn't be in this mess, schools & construction would not have been closed and we would probably be able to survive on Level 3/4 at this stage.


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  • #7182
    D.Q
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    marno21 wrote: »

    If TH was ordering stuff we wouldn't be in this mess, schools & construction would not have been closed and we would probably be able to survive on Level 3/4 at this stage.

    Oh come off it. Wed still be locked down. He didn't want to open up when there was ten cases a day during the summer.


  • #7183
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    marno21 wrote: »
    I disagree with this narrative. TH told Government it was a choice between hospitality and household visits before Xmas. Government went off and let hospitality be a seed for a massive Christmas outbreak.

    If TH was ordering stuff we wouldn't be in this mess, schools & construction would not have been closed and we would probably be able to survive on Level 3/4 at this stage.
    Level 4 is as bleak as level 5


  • #7184
    Maxface
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭Maxface


    There is a difference between being a rebel and expecting your leaders to actually lead. Talk to the people and explain their thinking. Not leaks out of meetings to just gauge the feelings out there. Nobody is stupid, there is a virus out there, it can kill. We also have to live and indeed live with covid. Vaccines are hopefully a way out of this fully at some point but we will more than likely have to live with covid just like we live with the flu.


  • #7185
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    We are so close to a vaccine rollout which gives a proper safe route out of this situation. I know this isn't happening as quickly as people like but it is the end game and rushing into a plan without this isn't an option.
    For all of the previous incompetence, I think the UK government have the messaging and strategy right.

    It's about making sure that this is the last lockdown. So keep restrictions for longer, but when they reopen they want to get back to normality. It's a message which is both hopeful and grim, but it lets people know that their sacrifice is worth it.

    Our messaging is simply grim. It seems to be lockdown till 2022 at least, the vaccines are helpful but won't fix anything, and the messaging around travel is chaotic. People aren't going to accept living like this forever, they have to be given some reason to hope for a return to a more normal life.


  • #7186
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Hospital report is out

    765 in hospital (nice drop from 813)
    151 in ICU (same as last night but sadly 7 deaths)


  • #7187
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    A nice drop indeed on the hospital numbers. Now below their peak from the April wave last year.


  • #7188
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,145 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Martin having a laugh

    They'll get away up to Easter

    They better have a very good plan after that

    They're losing people the further they delay and give society nothing to work towards

    What exactly do you want government to do? Tell people that they'll start easing restrictions in X weeks? They do that people will stay behaviour like the restrictions don't exist in X-2weeks before the target is achieved.

    Tell people that restrictions will be listed when daily cases are Y, people will start to ignore restrictions at Y +200, let alone be stable under Y for a week.

    There is simply no way of giving a timeline for removing the restrictions without undermining them. This is a sad reality of our society.

    We'd be out of this mess if people actually followed the restrictions and government guidelines properly. What are we expecting Martin to do, be there at your door to tell you that the "area shur the evening cans with the lads/drinkies with the girls is grand" is not on?

    On the one hand we expect government to protect everyone's welfare yet seemingly object when it takes the necessary measures to ensure this.


  • #7189
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    What exactly do you want government to do? Tell people that they'll start easing restrictions in X weeks? They do that people will stay behaviour like the restrictions don't exist in X-2weeks before the target is achieved.

    Tell people that restrictions will be listed when daily cases are Y, people will start to ignore restrictions at Y +200, let alone be stable under Y for a week.

    There is simply no way of giving a timeline for removing the restrictions without undermining them. This is a sad reality of our society.

    We'd be out of this mess if people actually followed the restrictions and government guidelines properly. What are we expecting Martin to do, be there at your door to tell you that the "area shur the evening cans with the lads/drinkies with the girls is grand" is not on?

    On the one hand we expect government to protect everyone's welfare yet seemingly object when it takes the necessary measures to ensure this.

    I have a fairly long post on the previous page

    You need to give people hope and yes you do need a plan with either dates or metrics underpinning easing of restrictions or preferably both

    Be transparent

    A living with covid plan with no dates is no plan at all

    The government were well able to push out the reopening of wet pubs last summer past the dates in the plan

    Plans are meant to be specific and timed

    Not knowing on what basis restrictions will be eased allows the government to push out easing of restrictions indefinitely

    Cases need to be 'as low as possible'

    What does that mean? 10,20,40 cases?

    The longer Martin and Co dilly dally and won't ease restrictions or the more people will ignore the current ones


  • #7190
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    What exactly do you want government to do? Tell people that they'll start easing restrictions in X weeks? They do that people will stay behaviour like the restrictions don't exist in X-2weeks before the target is achieved.

    Tell people that restrictions will be listed when daily cases are Y, people will start to ignore restrictions at Y +200, let alone be stable under Y for a week.

    There is simply no way of giving a timeline for removing the restrictions without undermining them. This is a sad reality of our society.

    We'd be out of this mess if people actually followed the restrictions and government guidelines properly. What are we expecting Martin to do, be there at your door to tell you that the "area shur the evening cans with the lads/drinkies with the girls is grand" is not on?

    On the one hand we expect government to protect everyone's welfare yet seemingly object when it takes the necessary measures to ensure this.

    I have one expectation from this government when it comes to this pandemic and that is to communicate effectively and clearly, which is not happening for the general public

    I'm coming up on a year of wfh, I've benefitted financially from this, can function work wise and I'm in a very stable relationship which tbh has strengthened during this past year.

    I've got my coping mechanisms, and one of those in January was thinking it would be mid April for non essential retail and going beyond 5km

    That appears to be gone

    So apart from one necessary visit to the dentist, and visits by my plumber to fix my boiler, for five months, the only person I will interact with face to face will be my partner with whom I live, if 5km stays till May

    Like I say no impact financially in fact I'm better off

    But I miss human interaction desperately, my partner more so

    I cannot imagine how awful this is for the half a million unemployed


  • #7191
    The HorsesMouth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭The HorsesMouth


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Hospital report is out

    765 in hospital (nice drop from 813)
    151 in ICU (same as last night but sadly 7 deaths)

    Massive drop from over 2000 to 765 in just under a month.
    Just had a look back at May 2020( when restrictions began to be lifted) and on the 20th May there were 649 in hospital and 72 in ICU.
    Two weeks or so later on June 7th there was 134 in hospital and 36 in ICU.

    However there was only 51 cases confirmed that particular day(May 20th) Now I know its difficult to compare as our testing capacity and knowledge has ramped up a good deal but what is that telling us.
    Can we compare then with now? Would it be possible to think we will be at 150-200 in hospital in three weeks?


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  • #7192
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,132 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    If you want to disobey the rules, off you go.

    Why tell us, we don't care what you do, unless you infect all around you.

    No point talking to those who haven't a clue either, sorry now. It will be all over with the J+J vaccine soon enough. Keep the faith. Not long to go now....


  • #7193
    D.Q
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    If you want to disobey the rules, off you go.

    Why tell us, we don't care what you do, unless you infect all around you.

    No point talking to those who haven't a clue either, sorry now. It will be all over with the J+J vaccine soon enough. Keep the faith. Not long to go now....

    Gamechanger


  • #7194
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,132 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    D.Q wrote: »
    Gamechanger

    Very hopefully ;)


  • #7195
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,145 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Stheno wrote: »
    I have one expectation from this government when it comes to this pandemic and that is to communicate effectively and clearly, which is not happening for the general public

    I'm coming up on a year of wfh, I've benefitted financially from this, can function work wise and I'm in a very stable relationship which tbh has strengthened during this past year.

    I've got my coping mechanisms, and one of those in January was thinking it would be mid April for non essential retail and going beyond 5km

    That appears to be gone

    So apart from one necessary visit to the dentist, and visits by my plumber to fix my boiler, for five months, the only person I will interact with face to face will be my partner with whom I live, if 5km stays till May

    Like I say no impact financially in fact I'm better off

    But I miss human interaction desperately, my partner more so

    I cannot imagine how awful this is for the half a million unemployed

    I'm not arguing that this isn't awful, what I am saying is that government cannot be specific about when the measures will be relaxed because, sadly, giving people this information will cause them to not adhere when either the date or the case target is approaching. There is a negative feedback loop here - the closer we get to the target makes it less likely people will behave, so it means it takes longer to achieve the target, if it can be achieved at all.

    It isn't fair to say the government isn't communicating effectively about reopening when the questions simply cannot be answered, because they don't know. No one knows.


  • #7196
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    marno21 wrote: »
    I disagree with this narrative. TH told Government it was a choice between hospitality and household visits before Xmas. Government went off and let hospitality be a seed for a massive Christmas outbreak.

    If TH was ordering stuff we wouldn't be in this mess, schools & construction would not have been closed and we would probably be able to survive on Level 3/4 at this stage.

    I suspect if Holohan had his way, we'd have been in the Level 5 lockdown from March last year until today, and quite likely into March next year.

    And, do you know what, I don't blame the man at all.

    If I was in charge of the Road Safety Authority, and I was put in charge of minimising road deaths, do you know what my number one order would be?

    Ban all cars,

    My number two order would be to ban all pedestrians.

    Holohan is taking the most extreme position possible (who could forget him sneaking back from leave a day early to order a Level 5 lockdown two weeks after hospitality opened?), and that's absolutely justified given his terms of reference and his agenda.

    The idea that Tony Holohan wants anything other than Level 5 is fantasy, though.

    I believe I am right in saying that at no point in the last year has Holohan recommended (as opposed to acquiescing to) lifting a single restriction.


  • #7197
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    I'm not arguing that this isn't awful, what I am saying is that government cannot be specific about when the measures will be relaxed because, sadly, giving people this information will cause them to not adhere when either the date or the case target is approaching. There is a negative feedback loop here - the closer we get to the target makes it less likely people will behave, so it means it takes longer to achieve the target, if it can be achieved at all.

    It isn't fair to say the government isn't communicating effectively about reopening when the questions simply cannot be answered, because they don't know. No one knows.

    Sorry but it is fair to say that the government are cowards here leaking details from pp meetings

    And I'd be an ff or fg voter, I would literally emigrate if Sinn Fein were running the country


  • #7198
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    I suspect if Holohan had his way, we'd have been in the Level 5 lockdown from March last year until today, and quite likely into March next year.

    And, do you know what, I don't blame the man at all.

    If I was in charge of the Road Safety Authority, and I was put in charge of minimising road deaths, do you know what my number one order would be?

    Ban all cars,

    My number two order would be to ban all pedestrians.

    Holohan is taking the most extreme position possible (who could forget him sneaking back from leave a day early to order a Level 5 lockdown two weeks after hospitality opened?), and that's absolutely justified given his terms of reference and his agenda.

    The idea that Tony Holohan wants anything other than Level 5 is fantasy, though.

    I believe I am right in saying that at no point in the last year has Holohan recommended (as opposed to acquiescing to) lifting a single restriction.

    You forgot about banning bicycles.


  • #7199
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    I suspect if Holohan had his way, we'd have been in the Level 5 lockdown from March last year until today, and quite likely into March next year.

    And, do you know what, I don't blame the man at all.

    If I was in charge of the Road Safety Authority, and I was put in charge of minimising road deaths, do you know what my number one order would be?

    Ban all cars,

    My number two order would be to ban all pedestrians.

    Holohan is taking the most extreme position possible (who could forget him sneaking back from leave a day early to order a Level 5 lockdown two weeks after hospitality opened?), and that's absolutely justified given his terms of reference and his agenda.

    The idea that Tony Holohan wants anything other than Level 5 is fantasy, though.

    I believe I am right in saying that at no point in the last year has Holohan recommended (as opposed to acquiescing to) lifting a single restriction.

    Seems Tony & NPHET are running things alright

    The government won't stand up to them again

    "The Fine Gael leader also told his parliamentary party meeting on Wednesday that the construction sector is unlikely to reopen next month if Covid case numbers are still at 400 per day.

    He said while no decision has been made, Nphet had concerns about construction workers travelling to work and the potential for socialising on breaks. He said there was also a reluctance from public health officials to reopen schools and construction at the same time."

    https://www.independent.ie/news/junior-and-senior-infants-may-return-to-school-on-march-1-taoiseach-40103938.html

    Construction and Schools are meant to be priorities for the government

    They're giving an open goal to SF is they push back construction past March no matter how concerned Tony & Co are


  • #7200
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,961 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    S
    They're giving an open goal to SF is they push back construction past March no matter how concerned Tony & Co are

    Sinn Fein have embraced 'maximum suppression' AKA zero covid give or take. They're not going to criticise the government for maintaing restrictions while case numbers are still in the hundreds.


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  • #7201
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Sinn Fein have embraced 'maximum suppression' AKA zero covid give or take. They're not going to criticise the government for maintaing restrictions while case numbers are still in the hundreds.

    No they will wait until housing supply goes down thanks to construction not being allowed back and say that housing wasn't a priority for the government

    Also Sinn Fein are in power in the North where construction is open


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