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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #7082
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Ficheall wrote: »
    The covid tests aren't completely reliable, though probably somewhat more reliable than your inspired medical diagnosis.

    I'd be more inclined to give the story some credence if it wasn't based on 4th hand information.


  • #7083
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    The delaying of the reopening of construction into April will push the reopening of non essential retail into May. That’s another 3.5 months of this misery. Absolutely ridiculous the constant moving of goalposts and toying with people’s minds and hopes so casually. There’s no reason why construction can’t reopen as soon as possible. It never should have closed in the first place, imo.


  • #7084
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,338 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Is there much construction even closed? Any tradesperson I know is working away saying they are working on essential sites


  • #7085
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    A lot of construction has been reopening.


  • #7086
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    I'd be more inclined to give the story some credence if it wasn't based on 4th hand information.
    You seemed willing to give it credence insofar as it was saying the child didn't have covid though, right? Which I guess is a further hand away than the doctors' assessment..


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  • #7087
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    retro:electro wrote: »
    The delaying of the reopening of construction into April will push the reopening of non essential retail into May. That’s another 3.5 months of this misery. Absolutely ridiculous the constant moving of goalposts and toying with people’s minds and hopes so casually. There’s no reason why construction can’t reopen as soon as possible. It never should have closed in the first place, imo.

    This is what worries me, they always reopen bit by bit so any delay in one stage means we could easily be looking at heavy heavy restrictions up to the start of summer..


  • #7088
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,590 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    AdamD wrote: »
    This is what worries me, they always reopen bit by bit so any delay in one stage means we could easily be looking at heavy heavy restrictions up to the start of summer..

    Yeah, they have to take a very guarded approach; open one sector, wait and see, then maybe another etc.


  • #7089
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Ficheall wrote: »
    You seemed willing to give it credence insofar as it was saying the child didn't have covid though, right? Which I guess is a further hand away than the doctors' assessment..

    Testing negative for Covid is a somewhat more specific thing which is hard to get wrong. Information about an inflammatory syndrome which has passed through 3 parties before being reported could easily get mixed up along the way. Have you ever heard of Chinese whispers?


  • #7090
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Yep. Over 4 months of restrictions we were told could only last a few weeks because they're too harsh. I've been compliant to date but this is getting hard to take.

    Basically going to be five months if they push out construction until April as nothing reopening in society until Retail in May after that

    The government is going to lose an awful lot of goodwill and compliance with their actions


  • #7091
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,355 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Bigfatmichael wrote: »
    I'd say the case numbers are probably really double or treble that. Now thats just my opinion in case anyone tries to bite my head off.

    You're alright. WHO actually thinks its factor 10.


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  • #7092
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,072 ✭✭✭jackboy


    AdamD wrote: »
    This is what worries me, they always reopen bit by bit so any delay in one stage means we could easily be looking at heavy heavy restrictions up to the start of summer..

    Yeah, hard to see any serious reopening until daily numbers are well below 100. Christmas frightened the government. The living with Covid plan was blown out of the water. They refuse to go for zero Covid. That just leaves a long hard lockdown followed by gradual reopening followed by hard lockdown again when the numbers turn.


  • #7093
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    AdamD wrote: »
    This is what worries me, they always reopen bit by bit so any delay in one stage means we could easily be looking at heavy heavy restrictions up to the start of summer..

    This is exactly what will happen. There will be at least 3/4 weeks between schools and construction opening, and same again with construction and retail. Another 3/4 weeks between retail and restaurants.


  • #7094
    Aph2016
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭Aph2016


    I forsee public compliance hitting rock bottom if it's confirmed that construction are not going back and the leaving cert is essentially cancelled. It's a complete farce.


  • #7095
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    retro:electro wrote: »
    This is exactly what will happen. There will be at least 3/4 weeks between schools and construction opening, and same again with construction and retail. Another 3/4 weeks between retail and restaurants.

    Its worse

    Reopening of schools will be phased with reviews every 2 to 3 weeks

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1362133408957280256?s=19

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1362139723964289025?s=19


  • #7096
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I knew they'd be over cautious but these rumours are ridiculous.


  • #7097
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Stheno wrote: »
    Its worse

    Reopening of schools will be phased with reviews every 2 to 3 weeks

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1362133408957280256?s=19

    Funny Martin still going on about construction being a priority

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1362140029477347328


  • #7098
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,057 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    prunudo wrote: »
    I knew they'd be over cautious but these rumours are ridiculous.

    You're being nice saying over cautious. Call it what it is imo, they're a bunch of cowards.


  • #7099
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    I'm giving it till end of February, then to **** with it. I'm going back meeting family and friends. Have enough of nphet running this country.


  • #7100
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Christ almighty

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1362142113513631746?s=19


  • #7101
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Stheno wrote: »
    Christ almighty

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1362142113513631746?s=19

    Madnesd

    Surely an easy thing to amend?


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  • #7102
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    I regurgitate the news wrote: »
    I have to disagree. I think they did a terrible job on their predictions. Neil Ferguson in the UK has a history of terrible predictions.

    With our economy destroyed, the day will come for our health service. Would it not have been better off to let people keep paying taxes and reinvest in the health service instead of stopping people from working and diminishing tax revenue?

    No difference in death rates in lockdown states versus non lockdown in the US(if anything lockdown causes more deaths)

    When you lock people up, unless they are getting vitamin D supplements they will have a weakened immune system compared to if they were getting sun. For this reason I would suggest the seasons have a far great baring on virus deaths than lockdowns do.

    So I would have to be more critical of the people making predictions than you appear to be.

    Did you forget to mention that the "lockdown states" like New Jersey and New York that top the per capita death rates were the areas where the virus first spread in February and March of last year and when people started showing up in hospitals ill, it was not known how to treat it? This is clearly evidenced by the dates of the deaths.

    The "non lockdown" states like Texas, Arizona and Florida benefited from already implementing extensive social distancing and restrictions by the time the virus hit them and also from all of the medical knowledge built up over the madness in the North East during April.


  • #7103
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,057 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Stheno wrote: »
    Christ almighty

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1362142113513631746?s=19

    They could easily change the legislation for that if they really wanted to.


  • #7104
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,590 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    I'd be the first to criticise the government, and have done many times on this forum, but it must be some difficult task, facing conflicting concerns in an ever changing problem; I don't envy them a bit, it's a horrible situation for them and us all to be in.


  • #7105
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,057 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    snotboogie wrote: »
    Did you forget to mention that the "lockdown states" like New Jersey and New York that top the per capita death rates were the areas where the virus first spread in February and March of last year and when people started showing up in hospitals ill, it was not known how to treat it? This is clearly evidenced by the dates of the deaths.

    The "non lockdown" states like Texas, Arizona and Florida benefited from already implementing extensive social distancing and restrictions by the time the virus hit them and also from all of the medical knowledge built up over the madness in the North East during April.

    New York were hampered by Cuomo making our guys look competent tbf.


  • #7106
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    niallo27 wrote: »
    I'm giving it till end of February, then to **** with it. I'm going back meeting family and friends. Have enough of nphet running this country.

    You definitely should Niall. Do it safely (outdoors), but social contact is absolutely necessary.


  • #7107
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Let's just wait until March and see what it is officially announced.


  • #7108
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    I'd be the first to criticise the government, and have done many times on this forum, but it must be some difficult task, facing conflicting concerns in an ever changing problem; I don't envy them a bit, it's a horrible situation for them and us all to be in.

    It is indeed

    The communications though is a shambles and something that could be improved


  • #7109
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,057 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Let's just wait until March and see what it is officially announced.

    We should get it Monday isn't it. Thought they were revealing the plan then.


  • #7110
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,252 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Stheno wrote: »
    Christ almighty

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1362142113513631746?s=19

    This might be a mad idea but how about the government amend the legislation underpinning that before that’s lifted. Be proactive instead of reactive which seems to be the way this government has been doing things. The government have the support of the people(kind of) but there is a tipping point.


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  • #7111
    aziz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭aziz


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Let's just wait until March and see what it is officially announced.

    Why wait,we know it’s going to be ****e


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