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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #7142
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Bizarre story here. Child tests negative for Covid but we are going to blame Covid for it anyway:

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/our-5-year-old-is-in-icu-with-covid-linked-illness-40103698.html

    Seems far more likely that an infection from the cut he got is the cause of his illness.

    Yet another example of dreadful journalism.

    Not bizarre at all. The condition is known to present as a result of a Covid infection in young children even where children do not subsequently test positive for Covid. And no its not more likley "an infection from a cut"

    https://www.gosh.nhs.uk/conditions-and-treatments/conditions-we-treat/paediatric-inflammatory-multisystem-syndrome-pims/
    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Hmmm indeed. Except we have no idea what the child has been diagnosed with, other than they don't have covid. The only information in the story comes from the grandparents, who were told something by the parents, who were told something by a doctor.

    They do know what the child has been diagnosed with. Its referred to in the article

    Its a news story not a scientific paper
    A nurse and a young doctor said they were not happy, that Tommy wasn’t responding to treatment,” Bernie said. “They took Tommy for a heart scan. Later they told us he had this Covid-19 related condition, we’d never heard of, PIMS" ...

    PIMS (paediatric inflammatory multisystem syndrome) has been described as a “Covid-related illness” – a rare but potentially deadly inflammatory disease in several countries.


  • #7143
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1362147288932614157?s=19

    Suppression strategy?


  • #7144
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    gozunda wrote: »
    Not bizarre at all. The condition is known to present as a result of a Covid infection in young children even where children do not subsequently test positive for Covid. And no its not more likley "an infection from a cut"

    They do know what the child has been diagnosed with. Its referred to in the article

    Its a news story not a scientific paper

    They do not “know” what the child has been diagnosed with. It’s 4th hand information. There is no quote from a doctor or nurse involved, and no suggestion that the reporter has fact checked it.


  • #7145
    Indestructable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭Indestructable


    Stheno wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1362147288932614157?s=19

    Suppression strategy?

    This is so depressing and demoralizing. **** it all


  • #7146
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Stheno wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1362147288932614157?s=19

    Suppression strategy?

    Martin having a laugh

    They'll get away up to Easter

    They better have a very good plan after that

    They're losing people the further they delay and give society nothing to work towards


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  • #7147
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,331 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    MarkY91 wrote: »
    I wonder how long it will be until there's thousands on the streets of Dublin mass protesting.

    I was always against the tin foil hat conspiracy theorist protests at the GPO. Bit I can fully understand why now why people would choose to protest in future.

    I have to ask why it was travel restrictions that pushed you over the edge after all we’ve put up with? These new measures won’t really affect our day to day lives. If these restrictions allow us to ease domestic restrictions sooner then it’s understandable. The real issue at the moment is the more the virus spreads the more it will mutate and eventually we’ll end up strains that don’t respond to the vaccine and then we are back at square one. I don’t think anyone wants that.


  • #7148
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    Feels like groundhog day in here. The same voices who shouted loudest before the easing of restrictions at Christmas that led to this incredibly restrictive, lengthy lockdown now out in force again trotting out the same tired stuff. Goldfish memories.

    We are so close to a vaccine rollout which gives a proper safe route out of this situation. I know this isn't happening as quickly as people like but it is the end game and rushing into a plan without this isn't an option.


  • #7149
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    Feels like groundhog day in here. The same voices who shouted loudest before the easing of restrictions at Christmas that led to this incredibly restrictive, lengthy lockdown now out in force again trotting out the same tired stuff. Goldfish memories.

    We are so close to a vaccine rollout which gives a proper safe route out of this situation. I know this isn't happening as quickly as people like but it is the end game and rushing into a plan without this isn't an option.

    So keep society shut until June?

    You can't rely on vaccine rollout with delays on vaccines ordered


  • #7150
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,252 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Martin having a laugh

    They'll get away up to Easter

    They better have a very good plan after that

    They're losing people the further they delay and give society nothing to work towards

    With today being Ash Wednesday they have forty days until Easter so they better get the thinking caps on and figure something out. If it’s even a plan of some description that is set in stone then fine but for **** sake give us something. And I’m not someone who pushed for lockdowns or was happy about it but like most things there is a point. We the people of this country have done our bit three times. It’s time the government did their part and did it properly.


  • #7151
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    We really are blessed the UK are motoring ahead with the vaccine and not floundering , we will follow them, at the moment we are basically following what they do regarding travel and likely that will continue regarding society aswell....we might be 2 or 3 weeks behind but we will follow so instead of watching how our government fumble about,,,,let's watch how the neighbors fumble about...but with the added benefit of vax ….

    Anyway there is no point in looking at our shower ...the main moves will be made in Britain or the EU...we will follow soon after...stay calm and ignore the politicking from MM and LV


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  • #7152
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    It’s actually insulting that they’re up there in Dublin trying to come up with the most vague plan with the least commitment possible to any dates or goals with the sole objective of covering their own arses, while absolving themselves of any responsibility if it goes wrong.

    Meanwhile, all over Ireland, over half a million people are out of work and experiencing severe financial difficulties and fears for their futures, children are missing out on their education, mental health issues are peaking, isolation and loneliness is now taking hold on even the most resilient of adults (let alone kids), and waiting lists for elective surgeries and other health issues are increasing at an alarming rate.
    A year later and the virus is still out of control and spreading in hospitals and nursing homes, and the very people these lockdowns are supposed to be protecting are still catching the virus at an unacceptable rate in these settings.

    And while we are all suffering and worrying for our futures, lives on hold and waiting for any bit of positivity, the lads expect us to keep quiet like good children while they take a few extra months to release a few leaks to the press too see which way the wind is blowing and come up with a plan that lays the least amount of blame on their shoulders possible.
    It’s insulting that they think this is ok.


  • #7153
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,295 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    ninebeanrows wrote: »
    We really are blessed the UK are motoring ahead with the vaccine and not floundering , we will follow them, at the moment we are basically following what they do regarding travel and likely that will continue regarding society aswell....we might be 2 or 3 weeks behind but we will follow so instead of watching how our government fumble about,,,,let's watch how the neighbors fumble about...but with the added benefit of vax ….

    Anyway there is no point in looking at our shower ...the main moves will be made in Britain or the EU...we will follow soon after...stay calm and ignore the politicking from MM and LV

    If so it'll be a slow unwinding. Boris said as much today when warning their lifting of restrictions will be very gradual "based firmly on a cautious and prudent approach"


  • #7154
    Maxface
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭Maxface


    Feeling like compliance from me is coming to an end. Haven't seen a parent in person for far too long. Christmas may have shocked them, shocked me too but the free for all at the airports that brought this varient over the water was not my fault. Sitting in my house and going to the shop or a walk most days is not living and I am certainly not spreading it. The communications from government is a shambles.


  • #7155
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    So keep society shut until June?

    You can't rely on vaccine rollout with delays on vaccines ordered

    The technical details of the level of restrictions need to keep suppression is something I'll leave to the experts and what they feel is needed.

    What is your alternative? We allow another situation like Christmas and let this virus run out of control while we now have new variants in the mix that could ultimately threaten a near-complete return to normality through vaccines. I know this feels like moving goalposts where we never actually score but we all know the rollout will happen soon. You want to threaten the effectiveness and success of this for the sake of a couple of months.

    We can't have anymore short-term thinking in this very important period.


  • #7156
    Aph2016
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭Aph2016


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    Feels like groundhog day in here. The same voices who shouted loudest before the easing of restrictions at Christmas that led to this incredibly restrictive, lengthy lockdown now out in force again trotting out the same tired stuff. Goldfish memories.

    We are so close to a vaccine rollout which gives a proper safe route out of this situation. I know this isn't happening as quickly as people like but it is the end game and rushing into a plan without this isn't an option.

    I keep seeing the "same voices" who are on full pay WFH trying to call out the other side for being selfish, it's very easy to say that when your mortgage and bills are covered and you're saving more money that ever before. Give over.


  • #7157
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭Polar101


    MattS1 wrote: »
    Why? It can definitely be done. Obviously more complex that I laid out but you get the idea.

    It would encourage more buy in if people take the piss then things get closed etc.

    The criteria for switching between levels could have been included in the "Living" with Covid "plan".

    It's just they couldn't be too set in stone - if we used the 100/50 criteria for L3, and then got stuck at 110/55 for a month, that wouldn't work either.

    In hindsight it was a stupid idea to have 5 levels (of which we'll only use "two, except Dublin and Donegal", "three and a bit" and "five with enhanced restrictions"), that's way too complex.


  • #7158
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    I was against opening at Christmas. I'm also against level 5 until summer despite declining numbers.

    We managed fine last summer with level 3 without any vaccines. Goldfish memories indeed.

    If the experts feel that we can do level 3 while suppressing the virus then I have no problem. All I am saying is that the opening should be based on that advice and not a desire to open because we have been in lockdown "too long".


  • #7159
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Aph2016 wrote: »
    I keep seeing the "same voices" who are on full pay WFH trying to call out the other side for being selfish, it's very easy to say that when your mortgage and bills are covered and you're saving more money that ever before. Give over.

    Some people just want to watch the world burn.


  • #7160
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,338 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    If so it'll be a slow unwinding. Boris said as much today when warning their lifting of restrictions will be very gradual "based firmly on a cautious and prudent approach"

    Doesn't look too slow to me

    https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1362160436494368769?s=19


  • #7161
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,072 ✭✭✭jackboy


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    The technical details of the level of restrictions need to keep suppression is something I'll leave to the experts and what they feel is needed.

    The technical details as you say are not being decided by experts. The guards chasing people around beaches and up mountains does not have a significant impact on the virus spread. An adult should not have to look for an expert to tell them that.

    We know the spread at Christmas was largely caused by house parties and pubs not complying with restrictions. The same happened with the autumn spike. These are the type of things which should be focused on.


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  • #7162
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,314 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    Feels like groundhog day in here. The same voices who shouted loudest before the easing of restrictions at Christmas that led to this incredibly restrictive, lengthy lockdown now out in force again trotting out the same tired stuff. Goldfish memories.

    We are so close to a vaccine rollout which gives a proper safe route out of this situation. I know this isn't happening as quickly as people like but it is the end game and rushing into a plan without this isn't an option.

    It's predictable the way it goes. The forum has quietened down as most people don't have much to say from day to day - everyone I know and interact with accepts that this will be a longer period than what we originally thought - and we are where we are until case numbers drop substantially and vaccination begins to make a dent. So the forum is a bit less busy than usual, aside from the proportion of anti restrictioners who are as motivated as ever to post and are even more encouraged because the relative lack of everyone else makes their views more prominent.


  • #7163
    thebronze14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭thebronze14


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Definitely a big shift in mentatility lately especially in this thread which would mainly be lockdown supporters thread. They have disappeared. How fair of a reflection is boards to general society.
    Had my mate around last weekend and having another with his partner this weekend...Like myself they are WFH at the moment and bar going to Tesco and exercising I'm not really leaving the house so far my own personal sanity I think it's the right call. More damage is being done to me not seeing people. Wouldn't have done this in previous lockdowns but there appears no end to this one. Most friends of mine have done likewise. I'd say a big amount of people are doing similar but not letting on


  • #7164
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Bizarre story here. Child tests negative for Covid but we are going to blame Covid for it anyway:

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/our-5-year-old-is-in-icu-with-covid-linked-illness-40103698.html

    Seems far more likely that an infection from the cut he got is the cause of his illness.

    Yet another example of dreadful journalism.

    A bacterial infection is easy to diagnose. PIMS is a real thing. Incredibly rare thankfully


  • #7165
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Deleted User wrote: »
    A bacterial infection is easy to diagnose. PIMS is a real thing. Incredibly rare thankfully

    Oh I agree. I’m just a bit dubious of the 4th hand information and what the actual diagnosis is in this case, particularly given the negative Covid test.


  • #7166
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,295 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Doesn't look too slow to me

    https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1362160436494368769?s=19

    Completely at odds with Boris speaking on the BBC a few hours ago. Take your pick.


  • #7167
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    The technical details of the level of restrictions need to keep suppression is something I'll leave to the experts and what they feel is needed.

    What is your alternative? We allow another situation like Christmas and let this virus run out of control while we now have new variants in the mix that could ultimately threaten a near-complete return to normality through vaccines. I know this feels like moving goalposts where we never actually score but we all know the rollout will happen soon. You want to threaten the effectiveness and success of this for the sake of a couple of months.

    We can't have anymore short-term thinking in this very important period.

    You need to give people hope and something to work towards

    Not everybody partied at Christmas

    I only got out for 1 meal with my fiance as we were both having family for Christmas and were being careful

    Dad and his siblings went on a rota system so they could visit nana safely over a couple of days

    In 2019 we had a major sing song and for many years previously with nana and grandad when he was alive

    None of that this year

    As a result we've all as a society had to endure three months of level 5+ up to March 5th

    Stay at home be good boys and girls

    Now it seems for another month the only thing open will be schools

    4 months until after Easter on level 5+ with construction shut

    I can understand reluctance to open up too quickly

    However we need a plan

    Having a living with covid plan with no dates is not a plan

    Not telling society what metrics will be used to inform decisions is not on

    I hated the old plan last year which was painfully slow in three week increments but you had dates to work towards

    When retail would open
    When I could see my grandparents within the county
    When I could see friends in other counties

    We don't even have that this year

    No it's just slow painful reopening with a target for next Christmas for all we know

    Stay away from forfeign holidays but we won't even say if you can staycation in June, July or August

    People will not keep restrictions with no light at the end of the tunnel

    My friend hasn't seen his partner since 20th of December

    No way are they waiting until intercounty travel comes back to see each other again as that could be 5-6 months the way Leo & Co are spinning

    Do the government actually think it's reasonable to ask couples like that to keep apart for that length of time?

    There might not be anything open but people won't blindly accept ongoing restrictions either

    The rollout won't be completed until September according to the government

    That's if all vaccines on the list are approved, are delivered on time and we can actually roll it on time

    Lot's of it's, buts and maybe but it will be the game changer

    In the meantime people won't stop living and we can't keep society shut down for over half a year

    The longer you shut down the more expensive it and the money borrowed is not free and will need to be paid back


  • #7168
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I regurgitate the news wrote: »
    I do know of three people who were marked as Covid 19 deaths (and I am not disputing that they were tested positive) however one was suffering from Cancer for many months, one had pneumonia and in the other case the son of the person was not happy with having cause of death of Covid 19.

    I know in the last instance you can say that this is hearsay however I do think it is disingenuous to put a cancer victim down as a Covid 19 death.

    Very interesting. I wonder is there any disease thats been circulating the world for the past year that causes pneumonia?


  • #7169
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,702 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Doesn't look too slow to me

    https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1362160436494368769?s=19
    Country of origin of the dangerous variant that MM is ****less of plans opening of hospitality whereas we are planning a possible partial return of construction in April.

    If construction was affected by this variant, the UK would have been fúcked. They got on just fine.


  • #7170
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,295 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    niallo27 wrote: »
    How fair of a reflection is boards to general society.

    Based on election polls etc over the years, it seems not to be representative at all.


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  • #7171
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Oh I agree. I’m just a bit dubious of the 4th hand information and what the actual diagnosis is in this case, particularly given the negative Covid test.

    PIMS is a post viral condition. Not surprising at all that they tested negative. Now given that Covid is the most prevalent virus this year it is probably the most likely virus that triggered the boys condition. We can be pretty much certain it wasn’t flu anyway

    Edit: actually PIMS is a specific diagnosis associated with previous COVID-19 infection. The doctors in Crumlin must be pretty sure.

    https://www.gosh.nhs.uk/conditions-and-treatments/conditions-we-treat/paediatric-inflammatory-multisystem-syndrome-pims/


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