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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #7052
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    brick tamland wrote: »
    There's a lot that I find hard to believe about this more transmissible variant. Still think there is an element of scaring the general public to it. About 2 weeks ago, Martin said the UK variant was increasing the R number by half a percent. Nolan said later that day the R number was currently anout 0.6 Someone's talking out of their arse there and my money isn't on nolan.

    Martin was probably referring to the unmitigated number. Nolan was using the effective number.
    Neither person may not be contradicting the other.

    Imagine a virus typically infects 10 people in a room containing 100 people. Next imagine you have a virus that would infect 90 out of 100 in the same room. How would the difference between both viruses measured if the nobody is ever permitted to enter the room?


  • #7053
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,468 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Threads merged


  • #7054
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    That's what I heard from at least 3 different people IRL. Not the bus part but heart attack, brain aneurysm and something else. All recorded as C19 deaths. 2 had apparently not even been tested but they stuck it down as C19 anyway 'to get the numbers up'.

    Look at this leaked footage from those early NPHET meetings.

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  • #7055
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,590 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    I regurgitate the news wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0217/1197573-covid-19/

    Last year we were told that up to 85,000 could die from Covid 19.

    In the UK Neil Ferguson forecast 500,000 deaths over there.

    Does anyone know what were the forecasting tools that used?

    Considering how off they were, should we be listening to the same people again for future forecasts?

    Highest occurrence of deaths in the US is in the states with the strictest lockdowns though there is little difference overall per population in Covid deaths for lockdown versus non lockdown states. This would prove that lockdowns are not responsible for saving lives. So hard to know how the forecasters got it so wrong

    I predicted tens of thousands of deaths in this country at the very start of the pandemic.
    Thankfully, that hasn't happened.
    Of course, the pandemic isn't over yet, and any end point is arbitrary.

    I was genuinely surprised that lockdown measures were imposed.
    I didn't think that the economy would have been put on hold like that.


  • #7056
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Great to see things trending the right way.

    Onwards.


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  • #7057
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,318 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Ficheall wrote: »
    What sort of delusional Whatsapp groups are you in?

    Probably the type that still thinks "its only a flu lolz"


  • #7058
    sonofenoch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,523 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Diabhalta wrote: »
    so where did all the covid checkpoints go since the storm started last tuesday or when was it? Is there no checkpoints in bad weather? Why? Seems like they are doing checkpoints every other week.

    ---

    meanwhile in the US, the government went absolutely nuts. Agree with Shapiro. the answer is: No.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dwX4MSZ_9k&t=178s

    Had to laugh, not a sign of them last week in Dubland in the freezing cold any I did see they were sat in their vayhicles at checkpoints .........out comes the sun and they're out in force 'what's the manner of your business'


    eeeyorrr what was yours last week :D


  • #7059
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    I regurgitate the news wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0217/1197573-covid-19/

    Last year we were told that up to 85,000 could die from Covid 19.

    And now we’ve had 210,000 cases with 4,000 deaths. So about 1 in 22 confirmed, which would equate to 88,000 deaths if we had all caught it. Ok, so we didn’t all catch it, nor are we likely too at this stage with vaccines, and thankfully our health services coped due to lockdowns, so the CFR remained static.

    But given what we knew back then I don’t know why so many people bring this up. The theory was at the time, just that... a theory. I’m pretty sure it included “up to” and “could”.

    At least we’re near the end now hopefully so can at least confirm we did a lot better than than worst case scenario. But if the experts got it wrong and we therefore don’t trust them any more, who should we trust? Ivor Cummins who said the same thing last summer after <1,500 deaths, saying it was over?


  • #7060
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    landofthetree wrote: »
    Nothing opening bar schools till April. Not even construction.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/varadkar-says-next-easing-of-covid-19-restrictions-will-be-very-limited-1.4487812

    Brilliant from the government

    They're doing fabulously at keeping expectations at rock bottom and messing up the economy further


  • #7061
    Bigfatmichael
    Closed Accounts Posts: 133 ✭✭Bigfatmichael


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    And now we’ve had 210,000 cases with 4,000 deaths. So about 1 in 22 confirmed, which would equate to 88,000 deaths if we had all caught it. Ok, so we didn’t all catch it, nor are we likely too at this stage with vaccines, and thankfully our health services coped due to lockdowns, so the CFR remained static.

    But given what we knew back then I don’t know why so many people bring this up. The theory was at the time, just that... a theory. I’m pretty sure it included “up to” and “could”.

    At least we’re near the end now hopefully so can at least confirm we did a lot better than than worst case scenario. But if the experts got it wrong and we therefore don’t trust them any more, who should we trust? Ivor Cummins who said the same thing last summer after <1,500 deaths, saying it was over?

    I'd say the case numbers are probably really double or treble that. Now thats just my opinion in case anyone tries to bite my head off.


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  • #7062
    I regurgitate the news
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭I regurgitate the news


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    And now we’ve had 210,000 cases with 4,000 deaths. So about 1 in 22 confirmed, which would equate to 88,000 deaths if we had all caught it. Ok, so we didn’t all catch it, nor are we likely too at this stage with vaccines, and thankfully our health services coped due to lockdowns, so the CFR remained static.

    But given what we knew back then I don’t know why so many people bring this up. The theory was at the time, just that... a theory. I’m pretty sure it included “up to” and “could”.

    At least we’re near the end now hopefully so can at least confirm we did a lot better than than worst case scenario. But if the experts got it wrong and we therefore don’t trust them any more, who should we trust? Ivor Cummins who said the same thing last summer after <1,500 deaths, saying it was over?



    I have to disagree. I think they did a terrible job on their predictions. Neil Ferguson in the UK has a history of terrible predictions.

    With our economy destroyed, the day will come for our health service. Would it not have been better off to let people keep paying taxes and reinvest in the health service instead of stopping people from working and diminishing tax revenue?

    No difference in death rates in lockdown states versus non lockdown in the US(if anything lockdown causes more deaths)

    When you lock people up, unless they are getting vitamin D supplements they will have a weakened immune system compared to if they were getting sun. For this reason I would suggest the seasons have a far great baring on virus deaths than lockdowns do.

    So I would have to be more critical of the people making predictions than you appear to be.


  • #7063
    Ted_YNWA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,799 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    That's what I heard from at least 3 different people IRL. Not the bus part but heart attack, brain aneurysm and something else. All recorded as C19 deaths. 2 had apparently not even been tested but they stuck it down as C19 anyway 'to get the numbers up'.

    Mod - Do you have any further supporting evidence than "I heard".

    This is not a dumping ground for rumour mills.


  • #7064
    I regurgitate the news
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭I regurgitate the news


    Ted_YNWA wrote: »
    Mod - Do you have any further supporting evidence than "I heard".

    This is not a dumping ground for rumour mills.

    I do know of three people who were marked as Covid 19 deaths (and I am not disputing that they were tested positive) however one was suffering from Cancer for many months, one had pneumonia and in the other case the son of the person was not happy with having cause of death of Covid 19.

    I know in the last instance you can say that this is hearsay however I do think it is disingenuous to put a cancer victim down as a Covid 19 death.


  • #7065
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Brilliant from the government

    They're doing fabulously at keeping expectations at rock bottom and messing up the economy further

    Leaks from parliamentary party meetings seems to the government's communications strategy at the moment. Bizarre approach.


  • #7066
    boardise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,652 ✭✭✭boardise


    6 wrote: »
    Great to see things trending the right way.

    Onwards.

    Onwards and downwards ! :D


  • #7067
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    I regurgitate the news wrote: »
    I do know of three people who were marked as Covid 19 deaths (and I am not disputing that they were tested positive) however one was suffering from Cancer for many months, one had pneumonia and in the other case the son of the person was not happy with having cause of death of Covid 19.

    I know in the last instance you can say that this is hearsay however I do think it is disingenuous to put a cancer victim down as a Covid 19 death.

    But if the cause of death was covid then it's covid, doesn't matter if they had cancer. Do we change all the deaths then for people who died from covid with underlying conditions to to non covid deaths?


  • #7068
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,590 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    I regurgitate the news wrote: »
    I do know of three people who were marked as Covid 19 deaths (and I am not disputing that they were tested positive) however one was suffering from Cancer for many months, one had pneumonia and in the other case the son of the person was not happy with having cause of death of Covid 19.

    I know in the last instance you can say that this is hearsay however I do think it is disingenuous to put a cancer victim down as a Covid 19 death.

    Underlying issues that caused the Covid illness to be more severe?


  • #7069
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Leaks from parliamentary party meetings seems to the government's communications strategy at the moment. Bizarre approach.

    Yeah it's almost like they have the journalists on the zoom call lol

    Three months of level 5+ and only schools returning in a gradual manner for another month until after Easter is not going to go down well with people imo


  • #7070
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭prunudo


    While trying to take as many positives as possible from the daily covid news and not become downbeat by leaks of what restrictions may or may not be lifted, I think its great that this highly infectious virus means only 1 in 3 close contacts in a household setting end up testing positive.


  • #7071
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,072 ✭✭✭jackboy


    I regurgitate the news wrote: »
    I know in the last instance you can say that this is hearsay however I do think it is disingenuous to put a cancer victim down as a Covid 19 death.

    It depends how they report it. If they report it as death with covid rather than death from covid then they can do this without being dishonest. If someone has late stage cancer there is a good chance that covid will reduce their life span.


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  • #7072
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Bizarre story here. Child tests negative for Covid but we are going to blame Covid for it anyway:

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/our-5-year-old-is-in-icu-with-covid-linked-illness-40103698.html

    Seems far more likely that an infection from the cut he got is the cause of his illness.

    Yet another example of dreadful journalism.


  • #7073
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,702 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    MM said on radio a few weeks back that construction would reopen at 1000 cases per day.

    We’ll be at 400-600 by the end of the month and that’s not good enough.

    ????


  • #7074
    Golfman64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 314 ✭✭Golfman64


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Bizarre story here. Child tests negative for Covid but we are going to blame Covid for it anyway:

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/our-5-year-old-is-in-icu-with-covid-linked-illness-40103698.html

    Seems far more likely that an infection from the cut he got is the cause of his illness.

    Yet another example of dreadful journalism.

    We shouldn’t really be too surprised from a rag like the Independent but that’s shocking even for them. Ramping up the fear to try and keep themselves relevant as Covid starts slowly to fade away....


  • #7075
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    marno21 wrote: »
    MM said on radio a few weeks back that construction would reopen at 1000 cases per day.

    We’ll be at 400-600 by the end of the month and that’s not good enough.

    ????

    Moving the goal posts again?

    This government always contradict each others statements


  • #7076
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,350 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Bizarre story here. Child tests negative for Covid but we are going to blame Covid for it anyway:

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/our-5-year-old-is-in-icu-with-covid-linked-illness-40103698.html

    Seems far more likely that an infection from the cut he got is the cause of his illness.

    Yet another example of dreadful journalism.


    Hmmmmm
    PIMS (paediatric inflammatory multisystem syndrome) has been described as a “Covid-related illness” – a rare but potentially deadly inflammatory disease in several countries.

    The Royal College of Paediatrics (RCPCH) in the UK describes PIMS as “the Covid-19 linked syndrome affecting children.” It states that most children and teenagers do not become seriously ill with Covid-19 but doctors have witnessed a small number of cases that seem to be linked to the virus.

    Gonna listen to the experts on this one......


  • #7077
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Bizarre story here. Child tests negative for Covid but we are going to blame Covid for it anyway:

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/our-5-year-old-is-in-icu-with-covid-linked-illness-40103698.html

    Seems far more likely that an infection from the cut he got is the cause of his illness.

    Yet another example of dreadful journalism.
    The covid tests aren't completely reliable, though probably somewhat more reliable than your inspired medical diagnosis.


  • #7078
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,702 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Moving the goal posts again?

    This government always contradict each others statements

    There is a housing crisis in this country that is driving voters in droves to the Shinners.

    The solution apparently then is to pay construction workers to sit at home and gaze at the walls.

    Construction safely stayed open when we had 1200 cases per day during the last lockdown


  • #7079
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Hmmmmm



    Gonna listen to the experts on this one......

    Hmmm indeed. Except we have no idea what the child has been diagnosed with, other than they don't have covid. The only information in the story comes from the grandparents, who were told something by the parents, who were told something by a doctor.


  • #7080
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    marno21 wrote: »
    There is a housing crisis in this country that is driving voters in droves to the Shinners.

    The solution apparently then is to pay construction workers to sit at home and gaze at the walls.

    Construction safely stayed open when we had 1200 cases per day during the last lockdown

    100%

    It's a terrible look for the government if they can't bring construction back in March

    Madness from them and an open goal for SF in the future


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  • #7081
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    They can get to fúck with their level 5 until after Easter.

    Thats seems to be the master plan alright

    Over 4 months of level 5+

    They're doing a great job of losing people's compliance with restrictions the further this goes on


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