Corballis

willabur · 19-10-2020 1:36pm

4.5 hours to get around yesterday

First 12 holes particularly slow

willabur · 19-10-2020 2:04pm

Felexicon wrote: »

At least you got you bollox

come again?

Felexicon · 19-10-2020 3:02pm

willabur wrote: »

come again?

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Tescosfinest · 19-10-2020 3:59pm

gypsy79 wrote: »

I suspect that this is a mistake. I am sure you guys are getting same concession that Elmgreen and Castleknock are. No society or visitors November 1st - March 1st

Thank god for that, I reckon about 100 members can't get on the timesheet in Castleknock next Saturday because the Raheny Inn are having their society, it's crazy if you think about it

Felexicon · 19-10-2020 5:23pm

willabur wrote: »

come again?

Post has been removed. I apologise if it caused offence. It was meant in jest.

FixdePitchmark · 19-10-2020 11:08pm

Since the course has been operated by a private company.

It is harder to get out and more expensive for the public.

It is now 30 euro for a round around Corballis - that is expensive for what is a public facility and at the end of the day, is an extended par 3 course.

There is a whole other debate about if golf should be part of park services / public facilities.

But I'm just stating my own experience as a green fee paying member of the public.

I typically paid about 15 to 20 euro in the older arrangement.

charlieIRL · 21-10-2020 1:34pm

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Since the course has been operated by a private company.

It is harder to get out and more expensive for the public.

It is now 30 euro for a round around Corballis - that is expensive for what is a public facility and at the end of the day, is an extended par 3 course.

There is a whole other debate about if golf should be part of park services / public facilities.

But I'm just stating my own experience as a green fee paying member of the public.

I typically paid about 15 to 20 euro in the older arrangement.

When we started playing it first for the winter matchplay it was never over €15. Big difference now unfortunately.

thewobbler · 21-10-2020 2:12pm

Tescosfinest wrote: »

Thank god for that, I reckon about 100 members can't get on the timesheet in Castleknock next Saturday because the Raheny Inn are having their society, it's crazy if you think about it

That’s quite extraordinary. A full 4 hours of a Saturday’s timesheet in October, not available to members.

There is simply no chance that these things are done by accident. It’s a deliberate decision to prioritise the needs of non-members, and what it actually does is make non-membership seem like a improvement.

Members really need to push back. Properly push back.

blue note · 21-10-2020 2:48pm

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Since the course has been operated by a private company.

It is harder to get out and more expensive for the public.

It is now 30 euro for a round around Corballis - that is expensive for what is a public facility and at the end of the day, is an extended par 3 course.

There is a whole other debate about if golf should be part of park services / public facilities.

But I'm just stating my own experience as a green fee paying member of the public.

I typically paid about 15 to 20 euro in the older arrangement.

It's the best value course I know of. Green fees on courses that aren't a patch on corballis are considerably higher in Dublin. And having a membership option for €350 genuinely makes golf membership accessible to people. It very much delivers on it's public course ethos.

As regards it being an extended par 3 - I think that's nonsense, but let's say it is effectively an extended par 3. So what?There are normal length public courses available for a similar green fee price. If people prefer them they're available. If someone prefers corballis they can choose there. People get hung up on labels and classifications. They're not important.

willabur · 21-10-2020 2:51pm

extended par 3 is a silly comment.

Its short alright but by no means is it a bomb and gouge course. You won't find your ball if you do

blue note · 06-01-2021 5:22pm

We must arrange a boards.ie fourball for all the Corballis members when this lockdown ends. I reckon we have about 4 on here. I'd be curious to see how we all play the course, or even just put faces to the names. Or names to the monikers.

God I'd love a game of golf now. I wouldn't even give out about the bad lies I get when I hit it where I shouldn't. Well I would, but that's part of what I miss.

gypsy79 · 06-01-2021 5:44pm

blue note wrote: »

We must arrange a boards.ie fourball for all the Corballis members when this lockdown ends. I reckon we have about 4 on here. I'd be curious to see how we all play the course, or even just put faces to the names. Or names to the monikers.

God I'd love a game of golf now. I wouldn't even give out about the bad lies I get when I hit it where I shouldn't. Well I would, but that's part of what I miss.

As an Elmgreen member who plays regularly there especially this year thinks bad lies has really improved!!

The second whole in particular must be a green keepers nightmare. And the fact it is first par 4 isnt great. If it was hole 10 or 11 nobody would remember

blue note · 06-01-2021 5:53pm

gypsy79 wrote: »

As an Elmgreen member who plays regularly there especially this year thinks bad lies has really improved!!

The second whole in particular must be a green keepers nightmare. And the fact it is first par 4 isnt great. If it was hole 10 or 11 nobody would remember

Well I was thinking about bad lies in the rough, which are fair enough really. But you are right - there are a couple of patches on the course where you can hit the fairway and very likely have a terrible lie. The run off area on 11 I think is the worst for this and largely why I tend to go for the green. Going short and left on 5 can be awful too. And as you say the landing area on the 2nd. And the landing area on 7th.

willabur · 07-01-2021 12:16am

blue note wrote: »

We must arrange a boards.ie fourball for all the Corballis members when this lockdown ends. I reckon we have about 4 on here. I'd be curious to see how we all play the course, or even just put faces to the names. Or names to the monikers.

God I'd love a game of golf now. I wouldn't even give out about the bad lies I get when I hit it where I shouldn't. Well I would, but that's part of what I miss.

Definitely up for this.

hurleronditch · 07-01-2021 12:40am

willabur wrote: »

Definitely up for this.

I would play. It would be funny to see how many people already knew each other.

Ohhhh, internet fwends.

blue note · 07-01-2021 12:07pm

I'll post again when we're back open and see if some weekend morning suits us.

willabur · 07-01-2021 1:39pm

hurleronditch wrote: »

I would play. It would be funny to see how many people already knew each other.

Ohhhh, internet fwends.

its set up for a 'ah ffs not this fn pr**k'

RoadRunner · 07-01-2021 3:55pm

willabur wrote: »

its set up for a 'ah ffs not this fn pr**k'

Can we all come watch too? :rolleyes:

blue note · 07-01-2021 4:01pm

RoadRunner wrote: »

Can we all come watch too? :rolleyes:

Tickets for the event will be very reasonable.

swededmonkey · 08-01-2021 4:06pm

Any idea what the timesheet is like in Corballis at the weekends? I'm contemplating joining. Between Covid restrictions and not getting much back from my club, I dont fancy spending in excess of €1600 to not play much golf again this year. Corballis is definitely tempting with their pay & play rate

Felexicon · 08-01-2021 4:14pm

swededmonkey wrote: »

Any idea what the timesheet is like in Corballis at the weekends? I'm contemplating joining. Between Covid restrictions and not getting much back from my club, I dont fancy spending in excess of €1600 to not play much golf again this year. Corballis is definitely tempting with their pay & play rate

Sunday comps are hard to get out in. Saturday can be hard with societies.

Time sheet opens at 6pm 15 days in advance. If you are a single you will find a slot at some point.

blue note · 08-01-2021 4:22pm

swededmonkey wrote: »

Any idea what the timesheet is like in Corballis at the weekends? I'm contemplating joining. Between Covid restrictions and not getting much back from my club, I dont fancy spending in excess of €1600 to not play much golf again this year. Corballis is definitely tempting with their pay & play rate

Recently it's been hard to get out at weekends. You really need to log onto chronogolf when the timesheet goes live. But that's due to the exceptional demand and the limited light at this time of year. I'd say every club is the same.

Come summertime the light will alleviate a lot of the stress on the timesheet.

Gweedling · 12-01-2021 8:10pm

Count me in for this, relatively new member and a shockingly high handicap but still eager to get out.

Echoing what was said above, Saturdays are usually full of societies but if we're quick enough with the timesheet we can get out on the members-only Sunday.

jamesbondings · 15-02-2021 11:13am

Just got an email automatically renewing my subs. It did come from chronogolf opposed to the club itself but I am not renewing. Call the club or ignore?

Ollieboy · 15-02-2021 11:20am

jamesbondings wrote: »

Just got an email automatically renewing my subs. It did come from chronogolf opposed to the club itself but I am not renewing. Call the club or ignore?

Why are you leaving?

I’m guessing it’s just an invoice and not taking money from your account. Out of good manners I would ring and explain why your leaving to help them with feedback.

I generally try to find out why every members leaves us.

jamesbondings · 15-02-2021 11:30am

Ollieboy wrote: »

Why are you leaving?

I’m guessing it’s just an invoice and not taking money from your account. Out of good manners I would ring and explain why your leaving to help them with feedback.

I generally try to find out why every members leaves us.

A couple of reasons. Personal circumstances have changed (lost my job and am yet to get another). But also as I am located over 20km the likely hood of getting a game this year is nil. When lock down was lifted I found it impossible to get on the tee sheet. The weekends were a joke (I understand its a public course) but societies having times booked out is farcical when you have members looking to play.
I think I played 6 or 7 rounds last year.

Pity as it really is a fantastic course. Very enjoyable.

willabur · 15-02-2021 1:09pm

jamesbondings wrote: »

A couple of reasons. Personal circumstances have changed (lost my job and am yet to get another). But also as I am located over 20km the likely hood of getting a game this year is nil. When lock down was lifted I found it impossible to get on the tee sheet. The weekends were a joke (I understand its a public course) but societies having times booked out is farcical when you have members looking to play.
I think I played 6 or 7 rounds last year.

Pity as it really is a fantastic course. Very enjoyable.

I completely understand this frustration. It is hard to stomach paying for something and not being able to use it. Corballis business model makes it a bare metal golf club experience - if you are not getting out on the course then its hard to see what the point is

gypsy79 · 15-02-2021 1:35pm

Corballis committee needs to stand up to Carr.

Remind them that their agreement is up at end of 2022.

blue note · 15-02-2021 1:54pm

gypsy79 wrote: »

Corballis committee needs to stand up to Carr.

Remind them that their agreement is up at end of 2022.

What are they doing that's so wrong? They got caught putting too many societies on it in December, but I wouldn't have any other major complaints with them. Course condition is great and the value is exceptional.

willabur · 15-02-2021 2:04pm

I don't know anything about the agreement that is in place to be honest.

What options are available to the committee? How strong is their hand? There are 507 handicaps listed on HDID so I take that as an approximate number of members. There is space typically for 140 members in the sunday comp and with saturdays largely kept for societies or green fees. Knowing very little about these things I would imagine thats a recipe for a disgruntled golf club membership

willabur · 15-02-2021 2:10pm

blue note wrote: »

What are they doing that's so wrong? They got caught putting too many societies on it in December, but I wouldn't have any other major complaints with them. Course condition is great and the value is exceptional.

Depends on what their mandate is I suppose. When they had an open on a Saturday I thought it gave members who couldn't get out on a Sunday the opportunity to play some comp golf at the weekends. They stopped doing this because it wasn't driving enough business for them which is the key point, they are running a business which incentives them to do the minimum required to keep the members happy so they can maximize return on green fees and elsewhere.

They are rightly praised for the condition of the course, particularly the greens which are as good as anywhere. BUT they need to have this level of quality in order to drive business. If the quality of the course was poor then I don't think this conversation would be happening

blue note · 15-02-2021 3:06pm

Hmmm, fair point, the number of members is problem alright. Particularly since they should also be catering for non members as a public course.

Hopefully they bring back the Saturday comp. I much rather playing in a comp.

gypsy79 · 15-02-2021 3:49pm

blue note wrote: »

Hmmm, fair point, the number of members is problem alright. Particularly since they should also be catering for non members as a public course.

Hopefully they bring back the Saturday comp. I much rather playing in a comp.

As an Elmgreen member I would love the open to come back on Saturday

For example, we had agreed no visitors until March

We have close to 900 members. But only close to 700 members with a handicap. For me this is a massive issue to have 200 members not "participating" in the club

ClutchIt · 15-02-2021 4:14pm

gypsy79 wrote: »

As an Elmgreen member I would love the open to come back on Saturday

For example, we had agreed no visitors until March

We have close to 900 members. But only close to 700 members with a handicap. For me this is a massive issue to have 200 members not "participating" in the club

Why is having 200 members not using the course an issue? I would think these are the best members a club management could hope for?

finglashoop · 15-02-2021 4:31pm

ClutchIt wrote: »

Why is having 200 members not using the course an issue? I would think these are the best members a club management could hope for?

i assume they are not entering comps rather than using course?

gypsy79 · 15-02-2021 4:39pm

ClutchIt wrote: »

Why is having 200 members not using the course an issue? I would think these are the best members a club management could hope for?

They use the course. In fact most of them are some of the heaviest users of the course. These people dont play in comps and dont maintain handicaps. They also dont provide anything financially to the club. And I mean ZERO. We have 200 members who have put 1 cent into the club

The model Elmgreen and Corballis operate under is pretty unique.

willabur · 15-02-2021 4:44pm

gypsy79 wrote: »

They use the course. In fact most of them are some of the heaviest users of the course. These people dont play in comps and dont maintain handicaps. They also dont provide anything financially to the club. And I mean ZERO. We have 200 members who have put 1 cent into the club

The model Elmgreen and Corballis operate under is pretty unique.

they are paying subs surely? not exactly nothing

If thats the case then I have no problem with people using the club for this purpose. What is not healthy is people paying a sub and not getting to use the club as per the poster above. This will drive dissatisfaction and ultimately negative sentiment & attrition

gypsy79 · 15-02-2021 5:11pm

willabur wrote: »

they are paying subs surely? not exactly nothing

If thats the case then I have no problem with people using the club for this purpose. What is not healthy is people paying a sub and not getting to use the club as per the poster above. This will drive dissatisfaction and ultimately negative sentiment & attrition

They pay subs to Carr. None of that money feeds through to the club

Our club is financially in a very healthy position but I don't consider those who are members of the club who dont hold a handicap

There is a rule that they are not allowed play during competition times. If this is enforced then I would have no issues. But it clearly isnt enforced

willabur · 15-02-2021 5:46pm

so you mean comp fees?
I don't know how that money gets handled, would be interested in finding out. I'm sure Carr themselves will say they plough money back in to maintain the course and keep the clubhouse going, paying staff to facilitate tee times schedule etc. But I am sure that every club in the land has members like that who are happy to pay their subs for the year and not play one competition. The issue for me is that with this club they are taking on extra members but reducing the time slots where they can actually go out and play, thats the unique situation for Corballis.

Might be a similar situation in the likes of Portmarnock links where the course is part of the hotel so tee times would be reserved for hotel guests etc

mk7775 · 06-03-2021 10:37am

Any idea if this will help with member tee times? I live in Donabate and I am considering joining post lockdown.

https://dublinpeople.com/news/northsideeast/articles/2021/03/05/corballis-members-dispute-operator-reach-agreement-dispute-29043/

FixdePitchmark · 06-03-2021 11:00am

If the members are not happy
The price has gone up
The public have restricted access

What is the point of the deal with Carr. Bring it back into public operation.

willabur · 06-03-2021 11:39am

mk7775 wrote: »

Any idea if this will help with member tee times? I live in Donabate and I am considering joining post lockdown.

https://dublinpeople.com/news/northsideeast/articles/2021/03/05/corballis-members-dispute-operator-reach-agreement-dispute-29043/

That article is a bit all over the place. The quote from Carr at the end pretty much says we've done nothing wrong and the members are being unreasonable.

The problem is that Sunday comps were being booked up within a min of becoming available. Alot of Saturday and Sunday time sheets are set aside for golf societies (mostly) and public bookings. Meant it was super hard to get a slot. Have heard they have agreed to.give more time for members golf but nothing has been officially communicated

If you are in donabate then I would say it's worthwhile for summer months as it's quiet enough in the evenings

gypsy79 · 06-03-2021 10:54pm

willabur wrote: »

so you mean comp fees?
I don't know how that money gets handled, would be interested in finding out. I'm sure Carr themselves will say they plough money back in to maintain the course and keep the clubhouse going, paying staff to facilitate tee times schedule etc. But I am sure that every club in the land has members like that who are happy to pay their subs for the year and not play one competition. The issue for me is that with this club they are taking on extra members but reducing the time slots where they can actually go out and play, thats the unique situation for Corballis.

Might be a similar situation in the likes of Portmarnock links where the course is part of the hotel so tee times would be reserved for hotel guests etc

Would be interested to hear the Portmarnock Links model. All competition fees go into the club. The club has close to zero expenses. They also have a relatively large bank balance. There are some plans afoot to use some of the excess.

Owwa bounds · 07-03-2021 1:49pm

I've been a member of corballis for a few years now in December 2020 we were told if we continued our membership subscription for 2021 we would pay same fee as last year €725 instead of new renewal fee of €745 & also get a 13th month free as compensation on missing 3 and a half months due to lockdowns..
My subscription was due in January I decided to cancel as I am not working .
Also they advertise you get 12 months subscription from when you join I was thinking I might come back in May or June and would expect to pay the €745 renewal.
But I've been told if I wanted to rejoin then because I was a member in 2020 my renewal would be backdated to January 1st id be getting charged for this lockdown aswell or else a 6 month ban from joining.
Just want to make any other members or potential members aware of how they operate.
I think its very unfair.
Owwa bounds

gypsy79 · 07-03-2021 8:10pm

Owwa bounds wrote: »

I've been a member of corballis for a few years now in December 2020 we were told if we continued our membership subscription for 2021 we would pay same fee as last year €725 instead of new renewal fee of €745 & also get a 13th month free as compensation on missing 3 and a half months due to lockdowns..
My subscription was due in January I decided to cancel as I am not working .
Also they advertise you get 12 months subscription from when you join I was thinking I might come back in May or June and would expect to pay the €745 renewal.
But I've been told if I wanted to rejoin then because I was a member in 2020 my renewal would be backdated to January 1st id be getting charged for this lockdown aswell or else a 6 month ban from joining.
Just want to make any other members or potential members aware of how they operate.
I think its very unfair.
Owwa bounds

It was discussed earlier in the thread. It is the fairest for all members. Why should members who happened to have their subscriptions during this lockdown essentially get 3 free months and we would then have to subsidise you guys at the next renewal

blue note · 18-05-2021 12:27pm

I was looking to book a round in with a few friends in a couple of weeks so said I'd check when visitors are allowed on a Saturday. I looked at Saturday 29th May on Chronogolf and it has 9:30 to 2:30 down as visitor only. As in I can't play because I'm a member. Can that be right? I checked my mails and they did mention in it that they'd be making 35% of weekly times visitor only. 45% member only and the remaining 20% whatever makeup you like. So also if I want to book in with visitors my only weekend option is from 4pm on a Saturday.

They've committed to making Sundays member only, but they were member only until 12/1 anyway because of the weekly comp. So basically they're making most of Saturday unavailable to members and replacing it with Sunday afternoon.

Am I reading this right? This seems bonkers to me!!!!

ryaner777 · 18-05-2021 1:05pm

blue note wrote: »

I was looking to book a round in with a few friends in a couple of weeks so said I'd check when visitors are allowed on a Saturday. I looked at Saturday 29th May on Chronogolf and it has 9:30 to 2:30 down as visitor only. As in I can't play because I'm a member. Can that be right? I checked my mails and they did mention in it that they'd be making 35% of weekly times visitor only. 45% member only and the remaining 20% whatever makeup you like. So also if I want to book in with visitors my only weekend option is from 4pm on a Saturday.

They've committed to making Sundays member only, but they were member only until 12/1 anyway because of the weekly comp. So basically they're making most of Saturday unavailable to members and replacing it with Sunday afternoon.

Am I reading this right? This seems bonkers to me!!!!

I played Saturday just gone at 1:10 with 3 guests and booked it online so it is possible. Maybe just give the club a ring and they'll take care of it for you.

gypsy79 · 18-05-2021 1:50pm

Contract is up for renewal at the end of this year. To me it is quite clear that Carr have no interest in running the golf club. Interclub and junior sections constantly blocked in sister club and I know you guys have it worse

willabur · 18-05-2021 3:11pm

gypsy79 wrote: »

Contract is up for renewal at the end of this year. To me it is quite clear that Carr have no interest in running the golf club. Interclub and junior sections constantly blocked in sister club and I know you guys have it worse

Contract is up at the end of the year, the feeling is that they have invested alot into the club/course and won't be walking away this time.

If they did walk away you would wonder what would take over? Most obvious scenario would be that it reverts to the council, I cannot imagine that that would be a good scenario.

Other scenarios? I'd imagine that as it is public land it makes it complicated

gypsy79 · 18-05-2021 3:39pm

willabur wrote: »

Contract is up at the end of the year, the feeling is that they have invested alot into the club/course and won't be walking away this time.

If they did walk away you would wonder what would take over? Most obvious scenario would be that it reverts to the council, I cannot imagine that that would be a good scenario.

Other scenarios? I'd imagine that as it is public land it makes it complicated

To continue I personally feel they need to embrace the golf clubs they host!

Conditioning obviously excellent at both courses but they dont allow the golf club to prosper at either location

Corballis

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