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Bob Flavin (motoring journalist) & his views on EVs
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Black_Knight wrote: »I do this with Mr. EV for the odd interesting video he might have He's awfully slow paced.
The poor dude had a mini stroke. Good thing he's taking a slower pace...even in his videos
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The poor dude had a mini stroke. Good thing he's taking a slower pace...even in his videos
Oh right, didn't know, that's no fun.
Doesn't change how I feel about his videos though. They tend to feel unscripted, and while "off the cuff" is good, he does waffle a bit about nothing to do with the video title.
EDIT: His stroke was recent, his earlier videos are the ones ive watched.0 -
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frozenfrozen wrote: »your opinion is bad then imo. He didn't beg, he told people to subscribe if they want to support the channel or go through his sponsor to help the channel
More independent reviewers making a profit at the cost of being asked to subscribe is better than fewer channels with the likes of carwow paying their wages.
Nah.
I'd watch maybe 90 seconds of carwow a year. A bit more of James May. Toping and tailing a video and asking people to subscribe is fine, anything more and on a near constant basis is overkill and desperation. There are more subtle ways too, putting it on the screen. I subscribe to about 11 channels (travel, medical, running, EVs, aviation) and it's possible to build a good following with some personality, originality and good work ('content', as they say) without harping on endlessly about subscribing. Geoff Marshall's train videos are hugely successful, but quite niche, I'll grant you. I used to support EVOpinion on Patreon. Anyway, it doesn't matter really, this is just a difference of a opinion here on boards. Moderator: Television, Psychology and Dublin County North.
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Black_Knight wrote: »Oh right, didn't know, that's no fun.
Doesn't change how I feel about his videos though. They tend to feel unscripted, and while "off the cuff" is good, he does waffle a bit about nothing to do with the video title.
EDIT: His stroke was recent, his earlier videos are the ones ive watched.
I watched one of his videos where he did a road trip across France, Italy and Germany (with some Austria and Belgium thrown in I think)
I though how he approached it was great, he did it the way an ICE driver would plan things, he didn't plan specific charging stops along the way.
I know that many of us would react with horror to that idea, but realistically most people don't want to plan the journey down to the nth degree.
I do think the fact that he didn't plan any hotel stops en route was a bit bizarre, but he did explain that he didn't want to be tied to a particular mileage per day if the public charging situation wasn't great. Personally, I'd plan my hotel stops and just get an idea of chargers on route, so I know where the gaps are
He is a bit of a rambler all right, but he does have a nice relaxed approach to things as a contrast to Bjorn's ultra technical approach"The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost
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Does that imply he hasnt been completely honest when manufacturers have handed him cars? Ive always found him very VW-centric
AFAIK, he's been given the use of this, for free, for a year, by a small local EV car sales business. That's sponsored in my book. Try telling revenue the use of a free company car isn't a benefit in kind, see how that goes :pac:.
He said he only does 5k km a year in his 15 year old Seat, mostly to the shops & back in Portlaoise, which this is replacing, so a heavily degraded Leaf 24 would be just as good for him.
Basically, I don't expect too much criticism about that car from Bob. His sponsor will still want to sell used EVs from this. Remembering he's bitter Hyundai won't give him any more cars to destroy review, or even answer his emails, he'll have to be careful in future, criticising anything.
That's how the game works - Bob won't be the maverick he claims he is for too much longer, unless he prefers unpaid TikTok fame over actual income. 0 -
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Oh, forgot to mention Stavros did an entertaining review of the MG recently. Posted in the original MG thread.
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AFAIK, he's been given the use of this, for free, for a year, by a small local EV car sales business. That's sponsored in my book. Try telling revenue the use of a free company car isn't a benefit in kind, see how that goes :pac:.
He said he only does 5k km a year in his 15 year old Seat, mostly to the shops & back in Portlaoise, which this is replacing, so a heavily degraded Leaf 24 would be just as good for him.
Basically, I don't expect too much criticism about that car from Bob. His sponsor will still want to sell used EVs from this. Remembering he's bitter Hyundai won't give him any more cars to destroy review, or even answer his emails, he'll have to be careful in future, criticising anything.
That's how the game works - Bob won't be the maverick he claims he is for too much longer, unless he prefers unpaid TikTok fame over actual income.
But he already has a comfortable living from what he does and from his youtube channel. Don't think this is going to change him0 -
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Have you any idea of how much YouTube pays? He's just over 60k subscribers, his more popular videos have a few 100k views. All that pays not much more than dole money
I understand a family man needs to put bread on the table, but I would prefer if he was honest about it.
I'd say Patreon is where the money is for the youtubers. As you said, not much to be made from youtube directly unless you have a massive following.
On this MG thing he is doing... sounds like its ecocars.ie are giving him the car so its they are sponsoring it, not MG, so I'd say that allows him to say what he likes about the MG. It wont be any skin off ecocars nose as they are not MG dealers.... in the meantime ecocars will get loads of youtube hits and shout outs from Bob so win-win for them and Bob has a free car for the year so win-win for him.
The BIK question from Kramer is a good one... Bob should check that out!
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I'd say Patreon is where the money is for the youtubers. As you said, not much to be made from youtube directly unless you have a massive following.
On this MG thing he is doing... sounds like its ecocars.ie are giving him the car so its they are sponsoring it, not MG, so I'd say that allows him to say what he likes about the MG. It wont be any skin off ecocars nose as they are not MG dealers.... in the meantime ecocars will get loads of youtube hits and shout outs from Bob so win-win for them and Bob has a free car for the year so win-win for him.
The BIK question from Kramer is a good one... Bob should check that out!
No BIK on an EV under 50k0 -
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