Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01

Locotastic · 11-02-2021 11:00PM

History Queen wrote: »

Are you for real? Seriously. The unions don't want to allow students back to schools? What precisely are you basing that on?

ASTI have form for refusing, demanding and directing just a few snippets on how they will go down over the past year. They have no other setting.

INTO, Forsa and TUI seem to be more amenable generally.

Teachers’ Union of Ireland (TUI) has backed the return of Leaving Cert students, the Association of Secondary Teachers Ireland (ASTI) said school reopening plans were “inadequate”.

THE ASSOCIATION OF Secondary Teachers in Ireland (ASTI) and Teachers Union of Ireland both directed their members today not to co-operate with the Government’s plan for in-school teaching for Leaving Cert students.

ASTI members insist strike action would be 'last resort' but that government needs to listen to them.

The ASTI Standing Committee decided to direct its members not to co-operate with the arrangements announced by the minister for in-school teaching, but to engage in remote teaching and learning provision from Monday, January 11.

The ASTI caused shock last night when it announced the State indemnity being offered to its members to protect them against a legal action from disgruntled students fell short of what was required.

km79 · 11-02-2021 11:04PM

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40225289.html

Those darn unions suggesting it may not be safe to reopen schools

amacca · 11-02-2021 11:05PM

billy_beckham wrote: »

Oh yeah, forgot to throw in the "variants" bogeyman.... Contact your rep yet??

Variants bogeyman.....variants in inverted commas no less :pac:

What credibility you may have had and far be it from me to suggest the exact quantity may have evaporated like the steam of my Piss on the hottest day in summer with that clanger

downthemiddle · 11-02-2021 11:06PM

Locotastic wrote: »

ASTI have form for refusing, demanding and directing just a few snippets on how they will go down over the past year. They have no other setting.

INTO, Forsa and TUI seem to be more amenable generally.

Teachers’ Union of Ireland (TUI) has backed the return of Leaving Cert students, the Association of Secondary Teachers Ireland (ASTI) said school reopening plans were “inadequate”.

THE ASSOCIATION OF Secondary Teachers in Ireland (ASTI) and Teachers Union of Ireland both directed their members today not to co-operate with the Government’s plan for in-school teaching for Leaving Cert students.

ASTI members insist strike action would be 'last resort' but that government needs to listen to them.

The ASTI Standing Committee decided to direct its members not to co-operate with the arrangements announced by the minister for in-school teaching, but to engage in remote teaching and learning provision from Monday, January 11.

The ASTI caused shock last night when it announced the State indemnity being offered to its members to protect them against a legal action from disgruntled students fell short of what was required.

It is good practice to provide links for your quotes. However, in this case, providing links would also provide context which would not support your argument. I'm sure that is entirely coincidental.

wirelessdude01 · 11-02-2021 11:06PM

km79 wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40225289.html

Those darn unions suggesting it may not be safe to reopen schools

Pesky NPHET and their scientific information.

Locotastic · 11-02-2021 11:08PM

km79 wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40225289.html

Those darn unions suggesting it may not be safe to reopen schools

Isn't it mad how we don't see headlines every second day from healthcare unions. I mean those unions must all be delighted with the current working arrangements for their members.

ASTI have form, always have. Pampered by our government.

billy_beckham · 11-02-2021 11:12PM

downthemiddle wrote: »

You seem confused Billy because you said about the Unions

And a fortnight ago you said this about the 14 day rate

To clarify, you want an imminent return to school but you don't want a Leaving Cert and it is all the unions fault.
Nobody can bend it quite like Beckham.

The unions did prevent the schools reopening, no confusion.

I would hope for a speedy return to real world teaching, for clarity.

Never expressed a desire re the LC, for the record. Just pointing out that time is running out and the future is uncertain, the department having a plan B is sensible... Now where did I hear someone on about that before?

Hope that's of help..

C__MC · 11-02-2021 11:15PM

Schools are shut until after Easter, there is no about that
Maybe 6th and primary after Paddys Day at a stretch

hesaidshesaid · 11-02-2021 11:17PM

C__MC wrote: »

Schools are shut until after Easter, there is no about that
Maybe 6th and primary after Paddys Day at a stretch

Love these broad sweeping all-knowing statements.

Warbeastrior · 11-02-2021 11:18PM

Locotastic wrote:

Isn't it mad how we don't see headlines every second day from healthcare unions. I mean those unions must all be delighted with the current working arrangements for their members.

"Quick, time to change my attack strategy"

downthemiddle · 11-02-2021 11:20PM

billy_beckham wrote: »

The unions did prevent the schools reopening, no confusion.

I would hope for a speedy return to real world teaching, for clarity.

Never expressed a desire re the LC, for the record. Just pointing out that time is running out and the future is uncertain, the department having a plan B is sensible... Now where did I hear someone on about that before?

Hope that's of help..

Not really, more a case of you blazing high and wide................again.

History Queen · 11-02-2021 11:21PM

Locotastic wrote: »

ASTI have form for refusing, demanding and directing just a few snippets on how they will go down over the past year. They have no other setting.

INTO, Forsa and TUI seem to be more amenable generally.

Teachers’ Union of Ireland (TUI) has backed the return of Leaving Cert students, the Association of Secondary Teachers Ireland (ASTI) said school reopening plans were “inadequate”.

THE ASSOCIATION OF Secondary Teachers in Ireland (ASTI) and Teachers Union of Ireland both directed their members today not to co-operate with the Government’s plan for in-school teaching for Leaving Cert students.

ASTI members insist strike action would be 'last resort' but that government needs to listen to them.

The ASTI Standing Committee decided to direct its members not to co-operate with the arrangements announced by the minister for in-school teaching, but to engage in remote teaching and learning provision from Monday, January 11.

The ASTI caused shock last night when it announced the State indemnity being offered to its members to protect them against a legal action from disgruntled students fell short of what was required.

Well you said unions (plural) initially now you seem to be focusing on ASTI. I'm a member of TUI by the way . Also your "evidence" above doesn't answer my question. What precisely are you basing your ascertion the unions don't want to allow students back to schools? If it's the above, you are basing it on your poor opinion of the ASTI. That's hardly fair.

C__MC · 11-02-2021 11:22PM

hesaidshesaid wrote: »

Love these broad sweeping all-knowing statements.

NPHET, a very poor government and disgruntled unions voices will unfortunately lead to this
Weeks are slipping by very quickly.
Sorry for the negativity but it's been a shambles by all, government needed to nail this last September and be ready, sadly they where not. It is what it is.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 11-02-2021 11:22PM

https://twitter.com/MallowNews/status/1359937971265429517?s=19

Bit of levity for some of the perpetual misery guts on here

History Queen · 11-02-2021 11:23PM

Locotastic wrote: »

Isn't it mad how we don't see headlines every second day from healthcare unions. I mean those unions must all be delighted with the current working arrangements for their members.

ASTI have form, always have. Pampered by our government.

Pampered in what way?

hesaidshesaid · 11-02-2021 11:25PM

C__MC wrote: »

NPHET, a very poor government and disgruntled unions voices will unfortunately lead to this
Weeks are slipping by very quickly.
Sorry for the negativity but it's been a shambles by all, government needed to nail this last September and be ready, sadly they where not. It is what it is.

Absolutely agree that government should have been ready to roll with contingency plans in September.

What do you make of the 'phased return in March' line quoted by Carl O'Brien in IT yesterday?

billy_beckham · 11-02-2021 11:28PM

Yer wan from the ASTI, we want a "meaningful" LC.. :-)

Look how a meaningful Christmas worked out... You couldn't make it up!!

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 11-02-2021 11:28PM

So according to Prime Time

Union wants to explore-

Papers examining 50% of content or offering twice the choice.

Open access to college (presume with specific arrangements for courses)

Some form of smaller assessments between now and end of academic year.

Dept wants to explore-

Calculated grades

..... end of list

hesaidshesaid · 11-02-2021 11:30PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

So according to Prime Time

Union wants to explore-

Papers examining 50% of content or offering twice the choice.

Open access to college (presume with specific arrangements for courses)

Some form of smaller assessments between now and end of academic year.

Dept wants to explore-

Calculated grades

..... end of list

Calculated grades will save the DES an absolute fortune for the 2nd year running.

wirelessdude01 · 11-02-2021 11:31PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

So according to Prime Time

Union wants to explore-

Papers examining 50% of content or offering twice the choice.

Open access to college (presume with specific arrangements for courses)

Some form of smaller assessments between now and end of academic year.

Dept wants to explore-

Calculated grades

..... end of list

Once bitten, twice shy.

PoolDude · 11-02-2021 11:32PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Pesky NPHET and their scientific information.

They did give a range that would be safe. Prime time used that range when asking the Asti lady if they would go back at that rate. The answer waffle.

She also said they would not rule anything out but effectively ruled out CG based on lack of data

billy_beckham · 11-02-2021 11:33PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

So according to Prime Time

Union wants to explore-

Papers examining 50% of content or offering twice the choice.

Open access to college (presume with specific arrangements for courses)

Some form of smaller assessments between now and end of academic year.

Dept wants to explore-

Calculated grades

..... end of list

That's the gospel according to the ASTI, to be fair. There was only 1 side of the debate presented. ..

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 11-02-2021 11:35PM

billy_beckham wrote: »

That's the gospel according to the ASTI, to be fair. There was only 1 side of the debate...

Do you know something Billy, that's a fair point.

Here's Norma for balance

https://twitter.com/NormaFoleyTD1/status/1359958186850201601?s=19

am_zarathustra · 11-02-2021 11:36PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Do you know sonething Billy, that's a fair point.

Here's Norma for balance

https://twitter.com/NormaFoleyTD1/status/1359958186850201601?s=19

My understanding is Norma wasn't there?

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 11-02-2021 11:37PM

am_zarathustra wrote: »

My understanding is Norma wasn't there?

No idea if she was.

There or not. She's taken aback anyway

downthemiddle · 11-02-2021 11:38PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Do you know something Billy, that's a fair point.

Here's Norma for balance

https://twitter.com/NormaFoleyTD1/status/1359958186850201601?s=19

I wrote to Norma and Josepha myself today. If she thinks the ASTI are difficult just wait until she reads my letter!!!

downthemiddle · 11-02-2021 11:39PM

am_zarathustra wrote: »

My understanding is Norma wasn't there?

Clearly my correspondence was her priority today.

Mrsmum · 11-02-2021 11:40PM

Personally I think it is very frightening for students when they see mommy (ASTI) and daddy (DoEd) fighting over something that hugely and primarily affects said students. I am disappointed that Asti walked out of talks. I consider that a disrespectful act towards the LC students. They knew going in that an alternative route was to be discussed. They had a voice in the talks as to what options were workable etc and that was the place for them to make their case. They are one voice, they are not the only voice but if their case is as strong as they feel it to be, they should be able to convince the other parties in the talks as to that. Walking out on discussions of paramount importance to their students is a very bad look imo. LC students were hoping for the promised clarity next week and that's unlikely now. And the way I see it, in the middle of this pandemic, you can't put all your LC eggs in one basket so at the end of the day an alternative will have to be discussed anyway. We have no way of knowing what will happen when we open up again.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 11-02-2021 11:43PM

downthemiddle wrote: »

I wrote to Norma and Josepha myself today. If she thinks the ASTI are difficult just wait until she reads my letter!!!

Can't beat a strongly worded letter, even in the digital age

billy_beckham · 11-02-2021 11:44PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

So according to Prime Time

Union wants to explore-

Papers examining 50% of content or offering twice the choice.

Open access to college (presume with specific arrangements for courses)

Some form of smaller assessments between now and end of academic year.

Dept wants to explore-

Calculated grades

..... end of list

2. I will continue to engage with all education representative bodies, including teacher unions, to provide Leaving Certificate examinations and a corresponding measure for examination students.

She states above Leaving Cert + alternatives??

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Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01