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Working From Home Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,478 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You can get desk raisers, cheap enough, would be sure you could eat expense.

    I've had poor experiences with them in the past - not very stable. The only things that worked for me are proper adjustable desks, designed to be height adjustable. But even if they did work, the desk is also used by others in the house outside of my hours, so a desk designed for me isn't going to work for other occupants.
    Antares35 wrote: »
    But your office isn't a safe place to work right now because we are in the midst of a pandemic. Has this gone completely over your head?

    People have lost loved ones, loved ones who died alone and were buried in body bags, and you're worried about your knees being cramped and saving money on toilet paper. I think you need a good dose of perspective.

    Actually, the office is a very safe place to work because there's almost no-one else in there - 1 or 2 people in a space designed for about 100. And no-one else wants to be in there. I haven't come across a single colleague who wants to get back to the office.

    But just to clarify, I don't expect the office to be opened in Level 5. I DO expect the office to be opened to those who are unable to work from home in Level 3. It's my house - I get to decide what goes on in my house.
    Could you imagine the uproar if the Government suddenly declared they were going to start paying rent for "space in your home" to every civil servant like Andrew who is working from home, while there are half a million unemployed?

    Crazy talk. And I say that as a civil servant myself.

    I'd be embarrassed to even look for it. And I'd buy my own damn desk.
    You're right, there would be huge uproar.

    That doesn't make it wrong though. If someone wants space in my house, they should have to pay for it.

    Would you be OK with the government requisitioning your bedroom for some other purpose?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 133 ✭✭Bigfatmichael


    I've had poor experiences with them in the past - not very stable. The only things that worked for me are proper adjustable desks, designed to be height adjustable. But even if they did work, the desk is also used by others in the house outside of my hours, so a desk designed for me isn't going to work for other occupants.



    Actually, the office is a very safe place to work because there's almost no-one else in there - 1 or 2 people in a space designed for about 100. And no-one else wants to be in there. I haven't come across a single colleague who wants to get back to the office.

    But just to clarify, I don't expect the office to be opened in Level 5. I DO expect the office to be opened to those who are unable to work from home in Level 3. It's my house - I get to decide what goes on in my house.


    You're right, there would be huge uproar.

    That doesn't make it wrong though. If someone wants space in my house, they should have to pay for it.

    Would you be OK with the government requisitioning your bedroom for some other purpose?

    Did you ask the 100 people personally?

    Here with go again, want your employer to make special considerations just for you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    But even if they did work, the desk is also used by others in the house outside of my hours, so a desk designed for me isn't going to work for other occupants

    Sounds like you have a problem for every solution alright. You know if you charge your employer for rent then allow someone else to use your "office space" i.e. your desk, that's sub-letting. Not very nice (or legal).

    And whether you think your office is safe is irrelevant. The government has decided it isn't, so you will have to put up with that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 487 ✭✭Jim Root


    I've no idea what your point is.

    You are not alone there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    It's my house - I get to decide what goes on in my house.

    You get to decide what goes on in your house to the extent that you can either use it to work from, or if you don't want to do that, you can give up your job. You don't get to decide to keep your job but refuse to work from home, at least not at the moment.


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  • Posts: 4,575 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Antares35 wrote: »
    Sounds like you have a problem for every solution alright. You know if you charge your employer for rent then allow someone else to use your "office space" i.e. your desk, that's sub-letting. Not very nice (or legal).

    And whether you think your office is safe is irrelevant. The government has decided it isn't, so you will have to put up with that.


    You're wasting your breath.

    I already posted a link to this very reasonably priced height adjustable desk, where that height can be adjusted simply by turning a lever to suit different heights, (have a look at the video). But Andrew isn't really looking for solutions.

    You'd think if someone was genuinely that concerned about the potential of long term physical problems or injuries, they'd solve their immediate problem first, then worry about get the money back from the employer, after.

    But if he does go to the WRC (as he has implied he intends to do) that wouldn't look so good for his case, would it?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭smellyoldboot


    Christ is this lad the like of what's employed in the civil service? Unreal attitude altogether. Everything is the employers fault and up to them to fix for him. I suppose they made you a lanky miserable bollix too, they did?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 133 ✭✭Bigfatmichael


    Antares35 wrote: »
    No because that person "could be anyone" and why should Andrew let anyone into his house, he gets to say what goes on in his house, unless maybe the person coming to do the work pays an entrance fee? I'm not sure, am I doing this right?

    I'd say he woudn't piss on you if you were on fire unless you agreed to pay him for it first.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 491 ✭✭B_ecke_r


    I speak to my manager about once a quarter. No allowance for desk or monitor etc. Regular updates from CEO about 'looking after our mental health' yawn.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭jmlad2020


    Promised a laptop, mic from day 1.

    Nothing yet. Still using my personal laptop.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    jmlad2020 wrote: »
    Promised a laptop, mic from day 1.

    Nothing yet. Still using my personal laptop.

    Hopefully you have a proper keyboard and monitor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭jmlad2020


    Hopefully you have a proper keyboard and monitor.

    Nope only a ****ty personal laptop to use. It has given up once and I had to foot the bill.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    jmlad2020 wrote: »
    Nope only a ****ty personal laptop to use. It has given up once and I had to foot the bill.

    You're going to have serious wrist and neck issues. You need an external monitor and keyboard and a proper mouse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭hots


    jmlad2020 wrote: »
    Nope only a ****ty personal laptop to use. It has given up once and I had to foot the bill.

    And if you didn't have one?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,095 ✭✭✭OU812


    jmlad2020 wrote: »
    Still using my personal laptop.

    Depending on what you're working on, surely this means a massive data/gdpr breach?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    OU812 wrote: »
    Depending on what you're working on, surely this means a massive data/gdpr breach?

    Most small businesses care nothing for security. password12345 etc


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 149 ✭✭BiggJim


    You're going to have serious wrist and neck issues. You need an external monitor and keyboard and a proper mouse.

    Serious neck and wrist issues? Catch a grip we are not that fragile as a species and spouting nonsense like that will do more harm than good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    BiggJim wrote: »
    Serious neck and wrist issues? Catch a grip we are not that fragile as a species and spouting nonsense like that will do more harm than good.

    It's not nonsense though.

    RSI is a real thing.

    Carpal tunnel syndrome.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 133 ✭✭Bigfatmichael


    It's not nonsense though.

    RSI is a real thing.

    Carpal tunnel syndrome.

    You only get that in the dead hand gang.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    You only get that in the dead hand gang.

    Not sure I'd like to spend 8 hours a day using a laptop keyboard and touchpad. You need a proper desk too unless you want to fry your balls.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    OU812 wrote: »
    Depending on what you're working on, surely this means a massive data/gdpr breach?

    The potential for one. Define "massive GDPR breach". I find people are always so quick to throw out the GDPR card with very little understanding of how it actually operates.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,659 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Antares35 wrote: »
    The potential for one. Define "massive GDPR breach". I find people are always so quick to throw out the GDPR card with very little understanding of how it actually operates.

    Even small companies data protection policies usually start with the premise that only company owned equipment will be used to process company data.

    A good few had to relax this last March, and give VPN access from personal machines.

    But for most, this was the first thing that got fixed once laptop supply caught up with demand.

    Using a company owned machine doesn't guarantee compliance by any means, hut it is a first step.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Antares35 wrote: »
    The potential for one. Define "massive GDPR breach". I find people are always so quick to throw out the GDPR card with very little understanding of how it actually operates.

    Well - it opens up the company to litigation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Even small companies data protection policies usually start with the premise that only company owned equipment will be used to process company data.

    A good few had to relax this last March, and give VPN access from personal machines.

    But for most, this was the first thing that got fixed once laptop supply caught up with demand.

    Using a company owned machine doesn't guarantee compliance by any means, hut it is a first step.

    I know how it works. But my point is that this in and of itself does not constitute a "massive data breach".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Well - it opens up the company to litigation.

    Yes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,659 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Antares35 wrote: »
    I know how it works. But my point is that this in and of itself does not constitute a "massive data breach".

    It's a non-conformance, which makes detecting and preventing some kinds of breaches a lot more difficult.

    If you work for a company that's still letting you access client personal data on your own hardware now, i would advise you to start job hunting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    It's a non-conformance, which makes detecting and preventing some kinds of breaches a lot more difficult.

    If you work for a company that's still letting you access client personal data on your own hardware now, i would advise you to start job hunting.

    Where did I say that I work for such a company?

    My point, that use of a personal laptop in and of itself does not constitute a massive data breach, is a statement of fact. What you are saying is true, but does not refute my original point, which was in response to someone else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    It's a non-conformance, which makes detecting and preventing some kinds of breaches a lot more difficult.

    If you work for a company that's still letting you access client personal data on your own hardware now, i would advise you to start job hunting.

    Plus - if a data breach happens - your personal laptop now becomes part of the case. Issues for your privacy too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 133 ✭✭Bigfatmichael


    Well a lot of companies are using byod where your own device and mobile is perfectly fine.

    The likes of Azure and Citrix are perfectly fine to use on your own laptop.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭rostalof


    Well a lot of companies are using byod where your own device and mobile is perfectly fine.

    The likes of Azure and Citrix are perfectly fine to use on your own laptop.

    Exactly, some government departments are operating like this too. Azure and Citrix with 2 step authentication means your personal machine is merely a portal that allows you to remote in to your on-site business machine. If implemented correctly there are absolutely no GDPR or data integrity issues.


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