Working From Home Megathread

09-02-2021 08:28PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Did you miss this bit?

" my second expectation is that, if they do want me to use my own property as my office, they can damn well pay for the space, as they pay for any other business expense."

You say this quite often here. Its been pointed out ad nauseum that its a plainly stupid leap of logic to make and would likely result in an employer laughing directly in the face of any employee who suggested it.

So.....I'm guessing that you have raised this with your employer?

If yes, what did they say?

If no, whats stopping you?

Or are you just trolling?

AndrewJRenko · 09-02-2021 10:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You say this quite often here. Its been pointed out ad nauseum that its a plainly stupid leap of logic to make and would likely result in an employer laughing directly in the face of any employee who suggested it.

So.....I'm guessing that you have raised this with your employer?

If yes, what did they say?

If no, whats stopping you?

Or are you just trolling?

kippy wrote: »

I'd suggest that if that is your opening gambit/attitude you won't be working from home in the longer term.
I think employers can assist their employees getting various pieces of hardware if required but an ongoing payment for "space rental" is just a ridiculous concept.
You can argue that point if you want but you've got to be ready for the logical conclusions that come out of it.

Sorry, but what exactly is ridiculous about expecting employers to pay for the office space used by their employees?

Antares35 · 09-02-2021 10:34PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Did you miss this bit?

" my second expectation is that, if they do want me to use my own property as my office, they can damn well pay for the space, as they pay for any other business expense."

Would it be cheaper than the nice one bed in the IFSC that they have to give you?

I think you should open negotiations with your boss from this position and attitude - you won't need to worry about working from home, or at all, by the end of it

average_runner · 09-02-2021 10:39PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Sorry, but what exactly is ridiculous about expecting employers to pay for the office space used by their employees?

Easy for companies to deal with this. Once back in the office they will just deny you the option from working from home at anytime.

namloc1980 · 09-02-2021 11:16PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

...my second expectation is that, if they do want me to use my own property as my office, they can damn well pay for the space, as they pay for any other business expense.

I think you're whole stance is summed up here. You're just looking for a payoff, a few bob. Sounds like classic union-speak.

smellyoldboot · 09-02-2021 11:21PM

Been WFH since the first lockdown last March, company is ditching the office now altogether and moving to complete WFH for the foreseeable , not sure what to make of it yet tbh.

kippy · 10-02-2021 12:09AM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Sorry, but what exactly is ridiculous about expecting employers to pay for the office space used by their employees?

Think about it. Like actually think about what you are suggesting here.

10-02-2021 05:36AM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Sorry, but what exactly is ridiculous about expecting employers to pay for the office space used by their employees?

What did your employer say when you put your suggestion to them?

How much have ye agreed per sq ft?

When you return to the office how much will you be paying for your work space?

AndrewJRenko · 10-02-2021 08:25AM

kippy wrote: »

Think about it. Like actually think about what you are suggesting here.

Tell me again how ridiculous the idea is?
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200707-the-swiss-court-ruling-on-home-workers-rent

While the Swiss ruling doesn't apply to the COVID emergency, it does establish an important principle.

The Swiss lads aren't generally known for being ridiculous with their money.

MastiffMrs · 10-02-2021 08:40AM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Tell me again how ridiculous the idea is?
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200707-the-swiss-court-ruling-on-home-workers-rent

While the Swiss ruling doesn't apply to the COVID emergency, it does establish an important principle.

The Swiss lads aren't generally known for being ridiculous with their money.

This ruling is based on workers who have no choice but to work remotely. There are thousands of people who currently have to work from home due to covid. What makes you think that you are special to your employer?
Most businesses won't even pay the 3.20 daily amount that revenue allow for expenses.
Most businesses don't have a plan for the rest of the year. They are still paying rent or leasing the existing agreement they had pre covid.
Why would they entertain paying employees rent?! You have a safe place to work because you obviously feel its safe enough to live there.
People are suffering with losing loved ones because of covid and you continue to moan about not getting more from your employer.
Try to think outside of your little bubble and see what else is happening around you.
If you're so unhappy and actually bring these issues to your employer, I doubt you'll be working for them much longer.

AndrewJRenko · 10-02-2021 08:51AM

MastiffMrs wrote: »

You have a safe place to work because you obviously feel its safe enough to live there.
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Living here doesn't require me to sit in the same chair at the same desk operating a keyboard for eight hours a day.

So working here is not really the same thing as living here.

Backstreet Moyes · 10-02-2021 09:20AM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Living here doesn't require me to sit in the same chair at the same desk operating a keyboard for eight hours a day.

So working here is not really the same thing as living here.

From what I can gather your employers are following the guidelines and not allowing non essential staff into the office

You think because you cycle to work and don't like working from home your employer should break the guidelines for you

So if they break them for you then others might want to go to the office and social distancing may not be possible

I don't recall you saying anything about your employer saying they are going work from home full time

Yet you are talking about asking your manager to break company guidelines by letting you into the office which could land your manager in trouble

You are also talking about asking your employer in a pandemic to pay you money to work from home

You can rant all you want here but the reason you have said nothing and will say nothing is because you haven't a hope of getting what you want and you would ruin any future prospects

Essentially you want your employer to ignore guidelines to facilitate you because you don't like working from home

Half a million people are out of work trying to pay rent or mortgages and struggling

Millions are working in factories where social distancing is hard or health staff where they are treating covid patients

Yet you are sitting at home and saying your work space is not a safe space

Millions would be delighted to be employed and working from home

kippy · 10-02-2021 09:52AM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Tell me again how ridiculous the idea is?
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200707-the-swiss-court-ruling-on-home-workers-rent

While the Swiss ruling doesn't apply to the COVID emergency, it does establish an important principle.

The Swiss lads aren't generally known for being ridiculous with their money.

It's a pity you cannot see the lack of relevance of that situation to the/your current one.

Antares35 · 10-02-2021 10:40AM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Living here doesn't require me to sit in the same chair at the same desk operating a keyboard for eight hours a day.

So working here is not really the same thing as living here.

When you're in the office do you rotate desks every few hours or something?

AndrewJRenko · 10-02-2021 11:03AM

Antares35 wrote: »

When you're in the office do you rotate desks every few hours or something?

No, I have a desk that fits my long legs in the office.

AndrewJRenko · 10-02-2021 11:04AM

kippy wrote: »

It's a pity you cannot see the lack of relevance of that situation to the/your current one.

It's a pity you can't see the relevance of that situation to what happens post Covid.

10-02-2021 11:57AM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It's a pity you can't see the relevance of that situation to what happens post Covid.

So what did your employer say about your idea?

Antares35 · 10-02-2021 12:00PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

No, I have a desk that fits my long legs in the office.

Have you asked your employer to provide you with same? My employer couriered my office chair to my home for me. They didn't have to buy a new one. Have you asked them to do that? If not, why not.

Bigfatmichael · 10-02-2021 01:46PM

I think Andrew will expect his employer to supply a coffee machine and toilet paper next.

kippy · 10-02-2021 02:23PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It's a pity you can't see the relevance of that situation to what happens post Covid.

If you are "REQUIRED" to work from home post covid, it has limited relevance. If not, as will be the case for the vast majority of the workforce outside of those that were required to work from home pre covid, then it has zero relevance.

kippy · 10-02-2021 02:25PM

Bigfatmichael wrote: »

I think Andrew will expect his employer to supply a coffee machine and toilet paper next.

Full toilet facilites (paid for and maintained), full canteen or equivilent of, a bike shelter and all other facilities avialable in the office.

This is an absolutely ludricious path this thread is on.

Bigfatmichael · 10-02-2021 03:32PM

Back on topic anyway. I dislike working from home full time and company let us take our screens, dock and chairs with us.

When this is all over there introducing a hybrid model where we have to work two days minimum in the office. I like this approach as dont really like the five day thing working from home and I dont really like the 5 days in the office either so a mixture of both will be great.

AndrewJRenko · 10-02-2021 10:21PM

Bigfatmichael wrote: »

I think Andrew will expect his employer to supply a coffee machine and toilet paper next.

Funnily enough, coffee is the one area where I am saving money, as I don't have to pay into our kitty any more. But that's for flagging up the bog roll issue.

Antares35 wrote: »

Have you asked your employer to provide you with same? My employer couriered my office chair to my home for me. They didn't have to buy a new one. Have you asked them to do that? If not, why not.

The problem is the desk more than the chair. It isn't high enough for me. I've had my desk raised by about 50mm in all of my last three offices, so I can actually get my knees under the desk. And yes, I've asked if I can bring home the desk from my office, and got a negative response.

Nuts102 wrote: »

From what I can gather your employers are following the guidelines and not allowing non essential staff into the office

You think because you cycle to work and don't like working from home your employer should break the guidelines for you

So if they break them for you then others might want to go to the office and social distancing may not be possible

I don't recall you saying anything about your employer saying they are going work from home full time

Yet you are talking about asking your manager to break company guidelines by letting you into the office which could land your manager in trouble

You are also talking about asking your employer in a pandemic to pay you money to work from home

You can rant all you want here but the reason you have said nothing and will say nothing is because you haven't a hope of getting what you want and you would ruin any future prospects

Essentially you want your employer to ignore guidelines to facilitate you because you don't like working from home

Half a million people are out of work trying to pay rent or mortgages and struggling

Millions are working in factories where social distancing is hard or health staff where they are treating covid patients

Yet you are sitting at home and saying your work space is not a safe space

Millions would be delighted to be employed and working from home

My employer is ignoring guidelines and their specific legal obligation to provide a safe place to work. Whatever is happening in hospitals or factories or dole queues doesn't change this fact.

Bigfatmichael · 10-02-2021 10:28PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Funnily enough, coffee is the one area where I am saving money, as I don't have to pay into our kitty any more. But that's for flagging up the bog roll issue.

The problem is the desk more than the chair. It isn't high enough for me. I've had my desk raised by about 50mm in all of my last three offices, so I can actually get my knees under the desk. And yes, I've asked if I can bring home the desk from my office, and got a negative response.

My employer is ignoring guidelines and their specific legal obligation to provide a safe place to work. Whatever is happening in hospitals or factories or dole queues doesn't change this fact.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

10-02-2021 10:44PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

My employer is ignoring guidelines and their specific legal obligation to provide a safe place to work.

Have you escalated this issue over the last year? There's a simple checklist for your employer to review with you. Any non-adherence that isn't addressed can be escalated to senior mgmt or the HSA

Also, when you raised this issue, did you broach the subject of them paying for space in your home?

10-02-2021 10:58PM

Could you imagine the uproar if the Government suddenly declared they were going to start paying rent for "space in your home" to every civil servant like Andrew who is working from home, while there are half a million unemployed?

Crazy talk. And I say that as a civil servant myself.

I'd be embarrassed to even look for it. And I'd buy my own damn desk.

Antares35 · 11-02-2021 01:06AM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

My employer is ignoring guidelines and their specific legal obligation to provide a safe place to work.

But your office isn't a safe place to work right now because we are in the midst of a pandemic. Has this gone completely over your head?

People have lost loved ones, loved ones who died alone and were buried in body bags, and you're worried about your knees being cramped and saving money on toilet paper. I think you need a good dose of perspective.

ThunbergsAreGo · 11-02-2021 08:31AM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Funnily enough, coffee is the one area where I am saving money, as I don't have to pay into our kitty any more. But that's for flagging up the bog roll issue.

The problem is the desk more than the chair. It isn't high enough for me. I've had my desk raised by about 50mm in all of my last three offices, so I can actually get my knees under the desk. And yes, I've asked if I can bring home the desk from my office, and got a negative response.

My employer is ignoring guidelines and their specific legal obligation to provide a safe place to work. Whatever is happening in hospitals or factories or dole queues doesn't change this fact.

You can get desk raisers, cheap enough, would be sure you could eat expense.

OU812 · 11-02-2021 09:40AM

Other half’s company are buying her a proper desk and chair which should be here next week some time. Will replace the IKEA kit we were using.

Also paying for anything else she needs. Considering putting in a voip phone system to their office and setting up users for at home as they think they’ll be going 50% WFH in the future

ednwireland · 11-02-2021 12:14PM

OU812 wrote: »

Other half’s company are buying her a proper desk and chair which should be here next week some time. Will replace the IKEA kit we were using.

Also paying for anything else she needs. Considering putting in a voip phone system to their office and setting up users for at home as they think they’ll be going 50% WFH in the future

good to hear that some companies are doing this.

when i asked the head of EMEA about this in our company last year i was told that the company wasnt a charity (i should have told him thats not how health and safety works ! hindsight's great isnt it)

later the CEO said people could come in and take their chairs home......

im lucky im in the office (on my own at them moment max of 2 or 3 in seperate sections)

i know people with long commutes want to work from home but i dont think its worth putting up with poor working conditions because the company thinks giving you a laptop is it.

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