Guinness SIX Nations 2021

razorblunt · 06-02-2021 07:59PM

Rugby4568 wrote: »

Ben Healy must be very tempted to play for Scotland now. Would be a smart move for him he’d be playing international rugby straight away and getting more game time and money with Glasgow.

Why? He’d be a blow in they’d discard him as soon as he has half a mediocre game that the likes of Hastings or Russell would do.
The local Scottish lads get the benefit of the doubt far more than the others.

Rugby4568 · 06-02-2021 07:59PM

joseywhales wrote: »

Because they beat England in one game?
I mean come one, there are bigger reasons to play international rugby.

But Andy Farrell seems like he wants to stick with Sexton and there’s already loads of depth with outhalves In Ireland. He’d be playing international rugby for Scotland straight away with less competition for the 10 jersey.

griffinlee · 06-02-2021 08:00PM

The 4 saracens players looked way off the pace. It's prob been 4 months since a meaningful game for them.. only game was against Ealing trailfinders which they lost..

Rugby4568 · 06-02-2021 08:01PM

razorblunt wrote: »

Why? He’d be a blow in they’d discard him as soon as he has half a mediocre game that the likes of Hastings or Russell would do.
The local Scottish lads get the benefit of the doubt far more than the others.

I think Ben Healy is a very good player and is a better kicker than Russell. Healy would start for Scotland in my opinion and would of got those kicks that Hogg and Russell missed.

RugbyLover123 · 06-02-2021 08:01PM

Rugby4568 wrote: »

Ben Healy must be very tempted to play for Scotland now. Would be a smart move for him he’d be playing international rugby straight away and getting more game time and money with Glasgow.

What? He’d be behind Russell and Hastings for sure and maybe JVDW.

Akrasia · 06-02-2021 08:01PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ah he was a constant menace at the breakdown and put Scotland's halves under real pressure around the fringes. He works very hard and has a great reading of the game.

Lot's of commentary that James Ryan has had a big dip in form, but much like Itoje today if the team isn't firing there isn't much he can do to take control of the game.

We get our breakdown resourcing / timing right and start getting our lineout to stick and a lot of our pack will look more impressive.

Championship wide open now - we really need to show up tomorrow and deal with Wales ruthlessly. Set up a huge clash for next week.

Oh he absolutely does work extremely hard and makes a real nuisance of himself, but it’s always on the very edge of legal which means when your team get on the wrong side of the referee, or they’re forcing it a bit, he gets pinged a lot

TomsOnTheRoof · 06-02-2021 08:02PM

Gwynplaine wrote: »

Who is the fella with the glasses on the panel?

Ian McKinley. Former Leinster fly half and Italian international.

Rugby4568 · 06-02-2021 08:02PM

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

What? He’d be behind Russell and Hastings for sure and maybe JVDW.

Well he certainly would of got those kicks that Russell and Hogg missed. Healy makes less mistakes than Russell. Russell makes too many mistakes

Faugheen · 06-02-2021 08:04PM

Rugby4568 wrote: »

I think Ben Healy is a very good player and is a better kicker than Russell. Healy would start for Scotland in my opinion and would of got those kicks that Hogg and Russell missed.

As flawed as Russell is, he is miles better than Ben f*cking Healy.

Rugby4568 · 06-02-2021 08:05PM

Faugheen wrote: »

As flawed as Russell is, he is miles better than Ben f*cking Healy.

Don’t you think Ben Healy would be a more reliable kicker?

razorblunt · 06-02-2021 08:07PM

Rugby4568 wrote: »

I think Ben Healy is a very good player and is a better kicker than Russell. Healy would start for Scotland in my opinion and would of got those kicks that Hogg and Russell missed.

Hastings has been in better form than Russell before and they still played Russell ahead of him.
They’d cap him, lock him in and let that be that.

TomsOnTheRoof · 06-02-2021 08:07PM

Lack of generosity there from McKinley with regard to Burns. He has shown a hell of a lot more than Ross Byrne.

06-02-2021 08:07PM

Rugby4568 wrote: »

Well he certainly would of got those kicks that Russell and Hogg missed. Healy makes less mistakes than Russell. Russell makes too many mistakes

I've seen absolutely nothing from Healy to suggest to me that he would be brought in as a starter for a top 14 club.

Russell is safe as houses in Racing. You're entitled to your opinion but it's bordering on fantasy to be honest.

06-02-2021 08:08PM

Akrasia wrote: »

Oh he absolutely does work extremely hard and makes a real nuisance of himself, but it’s always on the very edge of legal which means when your team get on the wrong side of the referee, or they’re forcing it a bit, he gets pinged a lot

He is just one of those players that if he is playing for your team, you love him, if he isn’t, then you don’t.

Rugby4568 · 06-02-2021 08:11PM

razorblunt wrote: »

Hastings has been in better form than Russell before and they still played Russell ahead of him.
They’d cap him, lock him in and let that be that.

Fair point

Paul Smeenus · 06-02-2021 08:12PM

Aegir wrote: »

He is just one of those players that if he is playing for your team, you love him, if he isn’t, then you don’t.

He didn't look very fit today. And yeah, he does brilliant things and then gives away braindead penalties.

Johnny Gray was fantastic. Recapturing his mojo, maybe.

ScissorPaperRock · 06-02-2021 08:13PM

Rugby4568 wrote: »

He has one eye

What's your point?

Rugby4568 · 06-02-2021 08:16PM

ScissorPaperRock wrote: »

What's your point?

Nothing it’s just an interesting fact

thomond2006 · 06-02-2021 08:18PM

Kicking isn't an issue for Ben Healy but the rest of his game certainly is. He is way off being a starter at international level.

Rugby4568 · 06-02-2021 08:24PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Kicking isn't an issue for Ben Healy but the rest of his game certainly is. He is way off being a starter at international level.

Yeah true actually he’s only recognised because of his kicking he needs to improve other aspects of his game

Former Former Former · 06-02-2021 08:31PM

Ben Healy is currently second fiddle to JJ and people think he'd be getting capped for Scotland??

thomond2006 · 06-02-2021 08:35PM

Rugby4568 wrote: »

Yeah true actually he’s only recognised because of his kicking he needs to improve other aspects of his game

and you're saying he would start for Scotland.

I see.

Rugby4568 · 06-02-2021 08:37PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

and you're saying he would start for Scotland.

I see.

Am I allowed to change my opinion when you state a fact? Or do I have to be narrowed minded and not change my opinion no matter what?

Scratchly · 06-02-2021 08:41PM

Russell was the BBC man of the match for being the orchestrator of the win.

Did I watch a different match? Everything Russell contributed he counteracted. Yellow card for tripping giving England the chance to bring it back to a 2 point gap after dominating the first half, multiple missed kicks at goal, butchered the man advantage with a terrible cross field, multiple poor kicks for territory and then almost sabotages the team by going for a drop at the end for his own ego.

There was actually no difference to Scotland when Russell was in the bin. They worked their way into the English half, got a penalty and kicked to touch for a 5m scrum.

Rugby4568 · 06-02-2021 08:42PM

Scratchly wrote: »

Russell was the BBC man of the match for being the orchestrator of the win.

Did I watch a different match? Everything Russell contributed he counteracted. Yellow card for tripping giving England the chance to bring it back to a 2 point gap after dominating the first half, multiple missed kicks at goal, butchered the man advantage with a terrible cross field, multiple poor kicks for territory and then almost sabotages the team by going for a drop at the end for his own ego.

There was actually no difference to Scotland when Russell was in the bin. They worked their way into the English half, got a penalty and kicked to touch for a 5m scrum.

I agree with you I didn’t think he played well, he made too many mistakes

sydthebeat · 06-02-2021 08:48PM

Rugby4568 wrote: »

Ben Healy must be very tempted to play for Scotland now. Would be a smart move for him he’d be playing international rugby straight away and getting more game time and money with Glasgow.

Stupid comment

Why would he be better tempted to play for Scotland behind a lions finn Russell, a 24 to Adam hastings and a 27 yo recently qualified jaco Vdw....

Ireland has an aging Sexton in his twilight and a rat race for his successor.

Healy is so much obviously better off in Ireland, before you start considering the basic day to day

Rugby4568 · 06-02-2021 08:52PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

Stupid comment

Why would he be better tempted to play for Scotland behind a lions finn Russell, a 24 to Adam hastings and a 27 yo recently qualified jaco Vdw....

Ireland has an aging Sexton in his twilight and a rat race for his successor.

Healy is so much obviously better off in Ireland, before you start considering the basic day to day

He was third choice out half for Ireland u20s he couldn’t even make the match day squad when everyone was fit so I don’t think he’s the one to replace Sexton. Harry Byrne is a better player than Ben Healy imo

PMC83 · 06-02-2021 08:55PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

Stupid comment

Why would he be better tempted to play for Scotland behind a lions finn Russell, a 24 to Adam hastings and a 27 yo recently qualified jaco Vdw....

Ireland has an aging Sexton in his twilight and a rat race for his successor.

Healy is so much obviously better off in Ireland, before you start considering the basic day to day

Lions Finn Russell? Didn't look like a lions pick tonight tbh, played like a total cowboy! Kicks going everywhere

Rugby4568 · 06-02-2021 08:57PM

PMC83 wrote: »

Lions Finn Russell? Didn't look like a lions pick tonight tbh, played like a total cowboy! Kicks going everywhere

Exactly

lawrencesummers · 06-02-2021 09:02PM

Finn Russell doesn’t have the temperament, application or attitude to be a top top player.

He has more natural talent than any other OH in contention for the lions jersey but he doesn’t have an ounce of the ruthless, determined and win at all costs attitude that Owen Farrell or Sexton have.

It’s only a year ago he was sent home from international duty because he was on the Raz, refused to stop drinking and didn’t turn up for training.

He clearly doesn’t take his S&C work seriously and could have singlehandedly lost a game today that every other team member bust a gut winning.

What a completely selfish and unprofessional waste of an abundance of talent he is

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