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Guinness SIX Nations 2021

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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,069 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    would scotland have won in a full stadium ?

    what do you rugby people think or is it academic ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    baaba maal wrote: »
    Somebody else mentioned that he lacked generosity in comparing Burns with Byrne. I think he did his job properly- he is himself an experienced ten asked to comment on two possible incumbents for the Ireland role and he gave a clear opinion.

    I didn’t see this, what was his view on that?




  • We've beaten Italy by similar margins on numerous occasions of late. It was a good performance and France have improved a lot, but if we go well tomorrow and I have a sneaking suspicion we will - then I wouldn't have France more than a 50/50 coming over here.

    France will beat the green off us.

    This place has an obscene belief in this Irish setup.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    France will beat the green off us.

    This place has an obscene belief in this Irish setup.

    Not sure about that. They could well do. In Paris I’d expect them too. But it’s hard to travel away from home and win, and we don’t lose at home often. Has anyone else but England and New Zealand beaten us there in the last 5 years?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,952 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Just saw this up. It's border line criminal. A 7 on 3 with the defending team down to 14..


    https://twitter.com/Toolan82/status/1358215455756804096?s=20


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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,069 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    ^^^^^^^^^^^

    what am i looking at?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,536 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    That's fair enough.

    What do you think is more important - winning the six nations / grand slam or giving game time to either Billy Burns or Ross Byrne?

    I'm not sure either are going to be the starting outhalf for the world cup to be honest so I'm not sure what purpose giving either game time is, when it could cost us this tournament.

    Considering I think we have zero chance of winning the tournament it would be developing alternatives to Cian Healy and Sexton. Bedding in a first choice second row, giving Keenan experience at 15, working on who replaces Earls, who our second choice 9 is and who our first choice Hooker is.

    Fine the 6N is still within our control so we should field our best team, I can see that, but if we are not in a position to win the championship those things listed above should be the secondary target that we go after, unfortunately we probably won’t.

    Third and fourth doesn’t make any difference, but gaining experience and blooding players does.


  • Registered Users Posts: 36,236 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Starting all of Earls, Sexton, Murray, Healy, O'Mahony and Stander is obscene. There is obviously zero long term vision or plan. All leading up to being embarrassed at another world cup. It's beyond frustrating.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    OldRio wrote: »
    Just saw this up. It's border line criminal. A 7 on 3 with the defending team down to 14..


    https://twitter.com/Toolan82/status/1358215455756804096?s=20

    Yikes, that's a walk-in.


  • Subscribers Posts: 41,252 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    fryup wrote: »
    ^^^^^^^^^^^

    what am i looking at?

    Owen farrell has possession near the halfway line and has six of his attackers outside him.... Facing up against two defenders.

    Playing "heads up" rugby would demand that you keep the ball in hand and "draw and pass" your way through


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  • LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Starting all of Earls, Sexton, Murray, Healy, O'Mahony and Stander is obscene. There is obviously zero long term vision or plan. All leading up to being embarrassed at another world cup. It's beyond frustrating.

    Something, something, Irish rugby cannot afford a rebuild...

    All other nations can, but not the Irish.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Something, something, Irish rugby cannot afford a rebuild...

    All other nations can, but not the Irish.

    Yep just like Wales are rebuilding with Lydiate, Faletau and Tipuric in their back row packing down behind AWJ. It’s a results based industry, very easy for us with no skin in the game to demand revolution when sporting success tends to be more based on evolution.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Starting all of Earls, Sexton, Murray, Healy, O'Mahony and Stander is obscene. There is obviously zero long term vision or plan. All leading up to being embarrassed at another world cup. It's beyond frustrating.

    Stockdale is injured and Larmour had a nightmare in Thomond Park. I can see why Earls remains in the side.

    No other 10 is pushing Sexton for his spot. That's the reality. Billy Burns and Ross Byrne haven't demanded selection in the minutes they've played. The hope is that the academy flyhalves like a Harry Byrne or Ben Healy will be pushing in a year or so.

    Murray is the best option and he's played well recently. Craig Casey is in the extended squad and will hopefully get capped during the tournament. JGP got the majority of minutes during the autumn.

    LH is a big issue and has been the most criticised in terms of the extended squad selection.

    POM and Stander are both playing well. Doris would have been starting but for injury.

    We can't look at everything through the prism of a RWC. If there's a Six Nations to be won, we have to go for it. The England loss last night has opened the door too. Now, if we were to lose today and lose to France then big decisions on players need to be made.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,898 ✭✭✭littlevillage


    I don't know the intoxicating talent can be good sometimes

    Agreed, I plan on being completely (intoxicated) intoxicating by 3pm


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    France will beat the green off us.

    This place has an obscene belief in this Irish setup.

    We've won six of our last 10 games against France, drawn 2 and lost 2.

    They haven't beaten us in Dublin since 2011.

    I accept that they are a better team the last season and a half - but I think you are being more 'obscenely' unrealistic than I am to be honest.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23 Jacktheelad


    Eddie Jones saying England want to be the greatest team in history & spending the build up giving advice to the Irish & Welsh coaches before losing to Scotland at home for the first time in 40 years in their first game of the tournament.

    This made me smile :)


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Happy Sixmas everyone!

    I remember the days when we would have a thread specifically to allow posters apply to write match threads for the 6N. Some were even entertaining. Where are all the rugby forum Flank O'Briens and Spike Milligans gone?

    /nostalgia


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Considering I think we have zero chance of winning the tournament

    I guess this is where our difference of opinion rests so. I think we'll beat Wales today based on their recent form (7 losses out of 10).

    I think we will beat Italy. I would have us as favourites against Scotland.

    Based on today's performance do I think England will roll us over in Dublin? I would say not.

    If we can win 4 out of 5 games then we've a much better than zero chance of winning the tournament.

    I would imagine that if Kilcoyne had more game time this season he might have pushed ahead of Healy. I suspect he'll play close to half of the match today.

    I don't think Burns or Byrne are the natural successor to Sexton any more than Madigan was. Carberry gets back fit then the conversation changes.

    We have pipeline issues in a few positions - we just don't have anyone in those positions screaming for first team minutes.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Zzippy wrote: »
    Happy Sixmas everyone!

    I remember the days when we would have a thread specifically to allow posters apply to write match threads for the 6N. Some were even entertaining. Where are all the rugby forum Flank O'Briens and Spike Milligans gone?

    /nostalgia

    Everyone is still basking in the messy afterglow of England losing at home to Scotland.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Scratchly


    Zzippy wrote: »
    Happy Sixmas everyone!

    I remember the days when we would have a thread specifically to allow posters apply to write match threads for the 6N. Some were even entertaining. Where are all the rugby forum Flank O'Briens and Spike Milligans gone?

    /nostalgia

    Probably all banned. Turns out board's policy of ban everyone for everything wasn't a great long term business plan.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭The Inbetween is mine


    Scratchly wrote: »
    Probably all banned. Turns out board's policy of ban everyone for everything wasn't a great long term business plan.

    Welcome back :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Scratchly


    Welcome back :D

    Thanks! I wasn't banned by the way. I fled during the purging and took refuge on Reddit. But that too fell underneath the fascist boots of "de mods".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Scratchly


    I'm actually expecting a big Irish win. Which given previous similar expectations makes me nervous. Wales regularly somehow do us over when we're the favourites.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Zzippy wrote: »
    Happy Sixmas everyone!

    I remember the days when we would have a thread specifically to allow posters apply to write match threads for the 6N. Some were even entertaining. Where are all the rugby forum Flank O'Briens and Spike Milligans gone?

    /nostalgia

    Ban Buer and then we'll talk.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    clsmooth wrote: »
    Yep just like Wales are rebuilding with Lydiate, Faletau and Tipuric in their back row packing down behind AWJ. It’s a results based industry, very easy for us with no skin in the game to demand revolution when sporting success tends to be more based on evolution.

    Lydiate has come back from the dead. So that’s an original way to rebuild. If asked I would have said he was retired!


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Ban Buer and then we'll talk.

    It's either you or him, and the mod team can't agree...


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    Zzippy wrote: »
    It's either you or him, and the mod team can't agree...

    Better the devil you know. Adieu thomond.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Zzippy wrote: »
    It's either you or him, and the mod team can't agree...

    Allow Thomond Monday - Friday and Buer at the weekends. Thomond doesn't know anything about rugby so we won't miss him in the match threads - and we'll have fewer days having to tell Buer to shut up.

    win - win.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Plot twist. Buer and Thomond are the one entity. Ever seen Fight Club?


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  • We've won six of our last 10 games against France, drawn 2 and lost 2.

    They haven't beaten us in Dublin since 2011.

    I accept that they are a better team the last season and a half - but I think you are being more 'obscenely' unrealistic than I am to be honest.

    Our best players were in their prime during that period. None of our best players are anywhere remotely near their prime now.

    This current team is going nowhere.

    Our tactics consist of; carry ball into contact ---> ruck ---> aimless box kick---> chase ---> back on the backfoot.


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