Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Idbatterim · 02-02-2021 12:01PM

Boggles wrote: »

You sound jealous.

There has been a whole range of financial tools designed to put the economy into hibernation and not out right crash it.

Anyway there is a Covid benefits thread AFAIK, I imagine your "questions" would be better answered in there.

you want to deflect? you dont agree our system is a farce. Leo Varadkar mentioned introducing such a system here a short while back. Are you interested now? I imagine it will go like this.

Never paid into the system E203 a week. Prior earnings E1000 a week, E204.50 per week, for the first 6 months, before being reduced down to E150. The fact you have actually worked here before, means you will never be in "de vulneable" category!

Something needs to pay for the world class welfare, medical cards, free legal aid, Xmas bonus, free luxury housing etc..

I actually support aspects of the pup, people should be paid more depending on prior contributions. Whats hilarious is" we cant afford the PUP much longer" that is true. Funny however that the long list I mentioned above, which costs an obscene amount, has to keep being funded. An insane amount, for people who have never worked and many who wouldnt even vote.

Boggles · 02-02-2021 12:11PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

you want to deflect? you dont agree our system is a farce. Leo Varadkar mentioned introducing such a system here a short while back. Are you interested now? I imagine it will go like this.

Never paid into the system E203 a week. Prior earnings E1000 a week, E204.50 per week, for the first 6 months, before being reduced down to E150. The fact you have actually worked here before, means you will never be in "de vulneable" category!

Something needs to pay for the world class welfare, medical cards, free legal aid, Xmas bonus, free luxury housing etc..

Whatsisname · 02-02-2021 12:26PM

Nice of the media to finally begin to highlight the devastating effects of locking down society even though they'll get away with a large portion of damage they've caused.

Coronavirus doctor's diary: We're getting self-harming 10-year-olds in A&E

It's actually tragic how we've completely disregarded children in this whole situation. Children as young as 8 self harming is shocking. I've seen people screaming blue murder that kids are playing with other kids outside. Others saying "just close the schools!!" without any thought of what that'll cause. Others using their children to push their own agendas on social media "my niece is 2 and she knows how to wear a mask when others won't!!" not to mention the children who've literally spent their whole conscious life under some form of lockdown.

Alcohol deaths hit record high during Covid pandemic

And then the news that alcohol related deaths have hit a high. And thats from January 2020 to September 2020, I think we'd all probably be in agreement that this Winter has been the hardest part of the last year or so, those numbers will only increase unfortunately. The suicide stats from the last year will be devastating. I've already seen plenty of stories from Canada that overdoses are through the roof. At one point last summer or so, there was more overdose deaths in British Columbia than there was covid deaths.

These lockdowns need to end and I hope they never come back. I don't think we'll truly understand the full extent of devastation they've caused until a few years from now. They're simply unsustainable.

Boggles · 02-02-2021 12:29PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

And then the news that alcohol related deaths have hit a high.

Better open the pubs so.

FintanMcluskey · 02-02-2021 12:29PM

Boggles wrote: »

You sound jealous.

There has been a whole range of financial tools designed to put the economy into hibernation and not out right crash it.

Anyway there is a Covid benefits thread AFAIK, I imagine your "questions" would be better answered in there.

Yes those financial tools include borrowing about €30,000,000,000 just to keep the lights on since March 2020, without any investment in infrastructure.

The bill is in the post for the very people not in school right now

I believe national debt is now a paltry €240,000,000,000.

But the recovery will be very quick seemingly

Whatsisname · 02-02-2021 12:32PM

Boggles wrote: »

Better open the pubs so.

Should just ban alcohol. That'll stop it.

Boggles · 02-02-2021 12:33PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Yes those financial tools include borrowing about €30,000,000,000 just to keep the lights on since March 2020, without any investment in infrastructure.

Nope

On Tuesday 13 October, the government announced what has been called an unprecedented budget in size and scale. It includes €87.8 billion of spending and an estimated deficit of €20.5 billion for 2021. There is an allocation of €10.1 billion for capital expenditure

growleaves · 02-02-2021 01:54PM

Alcoholics Anonymous meetings are illegal, here and in the UK.

thebaz · 02-02-2021 02:19PM

When will the world begin to live again ?

Or will we forever live in Fear of what might happen as propagated by the Media, since life has begun ther has been virus's , some that kill, some more deadly than Covid 19 , but we have to live alongside these virus's , not camped in our caves in case what might happen outside, otherwise we'd starve.
Take adequate precautions, like we used to up until recently, but ther is risk in involved in living, and in the Safetyism world of today, precautions and warnings have over-taken our natural instinct to live, really live.

What is happening in India, how come ther world is still continuing, a country that I love and yet is so over-crowded ?
The Western world has lost lost the run of itself in its never-ending fear of what might happen, its like we are nearly looking for an excuse that the vaccines might NOT work , instead of celebrating ther arrival.
Whats happened to the world of 2021, we have forgetten how to live.

walus · 02-02-2021 02:19PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Walus, it is a total joke. But two things, its a government decision to have the schools shut and its a government decision to not remove the one excuse and many would say valid excuse the teachers and unions have about returning to the class room. Bump them up the vaccination list. Its an absolute farce, in the US they are near the top of the list and rightfully so...

You cant just point the finger at the teaches this time, they are just enjoying the easy way out like hundreds of thousands of others working from home on the same pay for probably far less work and the hundreds of thousands better off on PUP...

Yeah, I know. The teachers just adapted to the circumstances, favorable it needs to be said. However, their 'gain' is others loss.

Make no mistake, we can forget that this country returns to any decent level of freedom of movement and social life this year. The long standing undercurrent driven by the zero-covid gang is coming to the surface and Sam and Tony have done the prep work for Ireland going to the Covid Olympics. They equipped themselves with theories and have sophisticated modelling tools that allow them to think that Ireland can bring at least the bronze back.

I genuinely feel sorry for the middle class as their wealth is being transfer up the ladder. And the young as they will be left with paying for all this calamity of the strategy of living with covid for decades to come.

02-02-2021 02:34PM

The inhumanity of this is f*cking disgusting at this point!

Me: Unemployed for the first time in my life. Funds will be drying up in about 3 months if I don’t get back working.

Dad: 60s and on anti depressants for the first time of his life. His health is deteriorating since lockdowns started.

Father in Law: 70s. Broke down on the phone. “I’m going to die alone in this house aren’t I”. What do you say to that... he probably will. Hasn’t seen another human in over a month.

Aunty: Lives alone. Waking up crying most mornings.

What are we actually doing here? And the people making these rules are all on six figure salaries.

I’m disgusted with this country. We’ll do anything to look good in the Covid leagues and completely disregard huge numbers of our population.

Self harming children in A+E... Jesus Wept!

02-02-2021 02:35PM

growleaves wrote: »

Alcoholics Anonymous meetings are illegal, here and in the UK.

https://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org.uk/AA-Meetings/Online-_-Telephonic-Meetings

Idbatterim · 02-02-2021 02:37PM

Boggles wrote: »

Nope

yeah capital expenditure is moderate now. BUT if / when the **** hits the fan, like last time, expect it to be reduced to near zero! I mean why get people working and good prices, when you can wait for a boom and rip off prices and labour shortages again. Its the irish governments way! Dont start building, until it was needed a decade ago minimum!

Hopefully one day dublin can have a space age metro line, the type put in london and many other cities, over a hundred years ago...

Idbatterim · 02-02-2021 02:42PM

walus wrote: »

Yeah, I know. The teachers just adapted to the circumstances, favorable it needs to be said. However, their 'gain' is others loss.

Make no mistake, we can forget that this country returns to any decent level of freedom of movement and social life this year. The long standing undercurrent driven by the zero-covid gang is coming to the surface and Sam and Tony have done the prep work for Ireland going to the Covid Olympics. They equipped themselves with theories and have sophisticated modelling tools that allow them to think that Ireland can bring at least the bronze back.

I genuinely feel sorry for the middle class as their wealth is being transfer up the ladder. And the young as they will be left with paying for all this calamity of the strategy of living with covid for decades to come.

Again I agree with you! But the politicians are totally to blame. I mean thousands and thousands of posts back on this thread, at the start of the crisis. I called, what was obvious as hell and should be to anyone living in this country the last few decades. There is ZERO leadership, there is ZERO accountability. There are no leaders, just wormy snakes, slithering their way to a comfortable pension and perks etc.

The government decision to put nphet up on some ridiculous pedestal and install them as some de facto government, was the result of a spineless governemnt. I really feel that pointing the finger at nphet, holohan, as much as I dont like them, totally suits the governements agenda. they take some of the flack, when it should all be aimed at government. I voted that shower of morons in to make dececions, not the NPHET and holohan clown etc...

Boggles · 02-02-2021 02:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Father in Law: 70s. Broke down on the phone. “I’m going to die alone in this house aren’t I”. What do you say to that... he probably will. Hasn’t seen another human in over a month.

Absolutely no reason for that.

Support bubbles

Idbatterim · 02-02-2021 02:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The inhumanity of this is f*cking disgusting at this point!

Me: Unemployed for the first time in my life. Funds will be drying up in about 3 months if I don’t get back working.

Dad: 60s and on anti depressants for the first time of his life. His health is deteriorating since lockdowns started.

Father in Law: 70s. Broke down on the phone. “I’m going to die alone in this house aren’t I”. What do you say to that... he probably will. Hasn’t seen another human in over a month.

Aunty: Lives alone. Waking up crying most mornings.

What are we actually doing here? And the people making these rules are all on six figure salaries.

I’m disgusted with this country. We’ll do anything to look good in the Covid leagues and completely disregard huge numbers of our population.

Self harming children in A+E... Jesus Wept!

we are all in this together though! I mean honestly, all the people doing far less work because of covid, those on pup receiving more than they did working. We are all in this together! I mean if they were in your situation, they would be selfless and think, "arent we all in this together" Hyper sarcasm aside, yeah its disgusting! The caveat is, while it is far worse for some that others now, the magic money they think and expect to appear every budget, the magic money trees, they are gone pretty soon!

people dont realise here, how damaging it is, to have no proper media to hold a disgraceful government and entire Dail to account...

aidoh · 02-02-2021 02:51PM

Boggles wrote: »

Absolutely no reason for that.

Support bubbles

Oh it's his fault then, is it?

02-02-2021 02:53PM

aidoh wrote: »

Oh it's his fault then, is it?

Maybe the family could make him aware of this and facilitate

Happydays2020 · 02-02-2021 02:53PM

thebaz wrote: »

When will the world begin to live again ?

Or will we forever live in Fear of what might happen as propagated by the Media, since life has begun ther has been virus's , some that kill, some more deadly than Covid 19 , but we have to live alongside these virus's , not camped in our caves in case what might happen outside, otherwise we'd starve.
Take adequate precautions, like we used to up until recently, but ther is risk in involved in living, and in the Safetyism world of today, precautions and warnings have over-taken our natural instinct to live, really live.

What is happening in India, how come ther world is still continuing, a country that I love and yet is so over-crowded ?
The Western world has lost lost the run of itself in its never-ending fear of what might happen, its like we are nearly looking for an excuse that the vaccines might NOT work , instead of celebrating ther arrival.
Whats happened to the world of 2021, we have forgetten how to live.

What is really frustrating now is that there is a cohort particularly in the media who are finding (indeed looking for)!a cloud in every silver lining. We should be optimistic not fearful.

Boggles · 02-02-2021 02:54PM

aidoh wrote: »

Oh it's his fault then, is it?

What are you talking about, fault for what?

The restrictions allow for people living on their own to form support bubbles with other households.

Penfailed · 02-02-2021 02:58PM

Boggles wrote: »

Better open the pubs so.

No need for that. Don't you understand the social side of going to the pub?

dalyboy · 02-02-2021 02:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The inhumanity of this is f*cking disgusting at this point!

Me: Unemployed for the first time in my life. Funds will be drying up in about 3 months if I don’t get back working.

Dad: 60s and on anti depressants for the first time of his life. His health is deteriorating since lockdowns started.

Father in Law: 70s. Broke down on the phone. “I’m going to die alone in this house aren’t I”. What do you say to that... he probably will. Hasn’t seen another human in over a month.

Aunty: Lives alone. Waking up crying most mornings.

What are we actually doing here? And the people making these rules are all on six figure salaries.

I’m disgusted with this country. We’ll do anything to look good in the Covid leagues and completely disregard huge numbers of our population.

Self harming children in A+E... Jesus Wept!

This is an iconic post.
Sums up the reality to a tee.
Every politician and every hard nosed , one track minded , sledgehammer wielding aiming to nuts , pro lock downer needs to read this and more importantly let it sink in.

The impacts of lockdowns are beyond shocking at this point. Cruelty is too weak a word for them.
Who or what government body is responsible for ensuring that the cure is not worse than disease/virus. ????
We should have been informed if this is even being monitored from day one.

Penfailed · 02-02-2021 03:00PM

growleaves wrote: »

Alcoholics Anonymous meetings are illegal, here and in the UK.

Not via Zoom, they're not.

VonLuck · 02-02-2021 03:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The inhumanity of this is f*cking disgusting at this point!

Me: Unemployed for the first time in my life. Funds will be drying up in about 3 months if I don’t get back working.

Dad: 60s and on anti depressants for the first time of his life. His health is deteriorating since lockdowns started.

Father in Law: 70s. Broke down on the phone. “I’m going to die alone in this house aren’t I”. What do you say to that... he probably will. Hasn’t seen another human in over a month.

Aunty: Lives alone. Waking up crying most mornings.

What are we actually doing here? And the people making these rules are all on six figure salaries.

I’m disgusted with this country. We’ll do anything to look good in the Covid leagues and completely disregard huge numbers of our population.

Self harming children in A+E... Jesus Wept!

What about the other side of the argument? What about the families that have lost loved ones because of Covid? I'm not saying that things aren't tough for you right now, and for many, but are these struggles greater than the loss of a loved one?

Things will return back to normal for you and your family, but not for the people who have unfortunately died as a result of Covid.

aidoh · 02-02-2021 03:02PM

Boggles wrote: »

What are you talking about, fault for what?

The restrictions allow for people living on their own to form support bubbles with other households.

Fair enough and apologies if I took you up wrong.

My interpretation of your post (open for correction) was that, someone made a poignant post of the misery they're witnessing in their immediate family (I could mirror the sentiment of that post almost word for word - many of us probably could) and pointed out how inhumane and perhaps over-the-top and myopic these restrictions are, the only only answer is to parrot the govts. guidelines. You may as well have told him we need to stay apart to stay safe, we're in this together etc.

In retrospect it was probably nice of you to point out the support bubbles and apologies again if I took you up wrong.

I guess I and maaaaaany others are just sick to our holes of the same old sh!te e.g. 'it's fine, he can just form a support bubble'.

Boggles · 02-02-2021 03:06PM

aidoh wrote: »

. You may as well have told him we need to stay apart to stay safe, we're in this together etc.

It's not up to me to tell any anonymous internet poster what to do, but I certainly didn't infer that, the polar opposite if anything.

spring lane jack · 02-02-2021 03:08PM

growleaves wrote: »

Alcoholics Anonymous meetings are illegal, here and in the UK.

I'm calling bull**** on this, My friend has been attending AA meetings in person all through this Corona era. What's wrong with you that you feel the need to come on here and lie ?

WicklaBlaa · 02-02-2021 03:17PM

So Austria and Italy relaxing restrictions.

Hopefully as this list grows, and it will, pressure will build on the government to reopen sooner. Currently we seem to have the most cautious reopening plans in Europe.

growleaves · 02-02-2021 03:20PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Not via Zoom, they're not.

Virtuality isn't the same thing though.

Think of it like this: there are horizontal and vertical axes to life.

The horizontal is everything material, tangible and quantifiable.

The vertical is everything non-material (like the love you feel for a family member), intangible and incapable of being captured by positivism.

We're basically close to denying that the vertical axis of life exists, or at least we're constantly trivialising it.

Like when people keep saying there is no downside to wearing of masks. Well of course there is - seeing somebody's face affects you a lot and their face and especially their eyes tell you a lot about the person. But by the standards of our materialist reductionist obsession, there is no immediate material reason to need to see a person's face so it gets downgraded.

Everything human is being downgraded in favour of pure abstraction. This is happening across the board.

Penfailed · 02-02-2021 03:24PM

growleaves wrote: »

Virtuality isn't the same thing though.

Think of it like this: there are horizontal and vertical axes to life.

The horizontal is everything material, tangible and quantifiable.

The vertical is everything non-material (like the love you feel for a family member), intangible and incapable of being captured by positivism.

We're basically close to denying that the vertical axis of life exists, or at least we're constantly trivialising it.

Like when people keep saying there is no downside to wearing of masks. Well of course there is - seeing somebody's face affects you a lot and their face and especially their eyes tell you a lot about the person. But by the standards of our materialist reductionist obsession, there is no immediate material reason to need to see a person's face so it gets downgraded.

Everything human is being downgraded in favour of pure abstraction. This is happening across the board.

So AA meetings aren't illegal in the UK and Ireland then. That's all you had to say.

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