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Law Firm Milkrounds 20/21

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    #692
    IgoPAP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 343 ✭✭IgoPAP


    Legalmate wrote: »
    Who do people consider the ‘big training firms’ these days? Say top 10?

    My sibling is looking for guidance as to who to apply for.

    By number of practicing certs:

    https://www.irishlegal.com/article/arthur-cox-tops-chart-for-most-practising-solicitors-in-ireland

    The idea of 'Big 10' will be less and less relevant with the entrance of international firms like DLA, Dechert, Dentons, etc., when they pay better.

    Hopefully it'll push up salaries for the rest of us. The only reason the MCs offer 6 figure 1PQE salaries in London is because of the US firms.


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    #693
    NewFe1
    Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭NewFe1


    IgoPAP wrote: »
    By number of practicing certs:

    https://www.irishlegal.com/article/arthur-cox-tops-chart-for-most-practising-solicitors-in-ireland

    The idea of 'Big 10' will be less and less relevant with the entrance of international firms like DLA, Dechert, Dentons, etc., when they pay better.

    Any idea where Fieldfisher would rank among this? Assume they're not on it as they're new in Ireland


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    #694
    IgoPAP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 343 ✭✭IgoPAP


    NewFe1 wrote: »
    Any idea where Fieldfisher would rank among this? Assume they're not on it as they're new in Ireland

    The raw rankings only take number of practicing certs into consideration. It's not very accurate as it doesn't take into account factors such as solvency, profitability, client base, etc. The likes of behemoths like Dechert, DLA, PS, Fieldfisher, would rank much higher.

    I wouldn't worry about these rankings it doesn't really mean anything. If the firm has a good reputation and pays a decent salary that's all you need.


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    #695
    Legalmate
    Registered Users Posts: 24 ✭Legalmate


    IgoPAP wrote: »
    The raw rankings only take number of practicing certs into consideration. It's not very accurate as it doesn't take into account factors such as solvency, profitability, client base, etc. The likes of behemoths like Dechert, DLA, PS, Fieldfisher, would rank much higher.

    I wouldn't worry about these rankings it doesn't really mean anything. If the firm has a good reputation and pays a decent salary that's all you need.

    IgoPAP you seem to be very clued in. Who are PS?

    Putting aside the new firms - who to the best of my knowledge offer few TCs - who are the best 8-10 firms to apply to?


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    #696
    FE1Hopefully1
    Registered Users Posts: 487 ✭✭FE1Hopefully1


    Legalmate wrote: »
    Who do people consider the ‘big training firms’ these days? Say top 10?

    My sibling is looking for guidance as to who to apply for.

    My advice is to apply for all and any training contracts that are advertised. There’s no point closing yourself off to other firms just because you like the idea of saying you work in one of the big 10 once you’re a solicitor you’re a solicitor and where you trained becomes less important in some aspects.

    Some people are suited to the bigger firms and others are not and will hate it so my advice would to identify what area of law you’re interested in and apply to those firms !


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    #697
    FE1Hopefully1
    Registered Users Posts: 487 ✭✭FE1Hopefully1


    NewFe1 wrote: »
    Any idea where Fieldfisher would rank among this? Assume they're not on it as they're new in Ireland

    They’re not really new per say they merged with a big Irish firm a few years ago so I think they’re in the top 10


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    #698
    IgoPAP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 343 ✭✭IgoPAP


    FE1Hopefully1 wrote: »
    My advice is to apply for all and any training contracts that are advertised. There’s no point closing yourself off to other firms just because you like the idea of saying you work in one of the big 10 once you’re a solicitor you’re a solicitor and where you trained becomes less important in some aspects.

    Some people are suited to the bigger firms and others are not and will hate it so my advice would to identify what area of law you’re interested in and apply to those firms !

    This is good advice! There's some excellent boutique firms in Dublin - especially in litigation - where you might end up getting better hands on training than the big outfits.


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    #699
    FE1Hopefully1
    Registered Users Posts: 487 ✭✭FE1Hopefully1


    NewFe1 wrote: »
    I know yes but McDowell Purcell wouldn't have been big enough to be on the list

    Oh I was under the impression it was for some reason


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    #700
    Lawbloke
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭Lawbloke


    NewFe1 wrote: »
    No... I'm just curious as to where Fieldfisher ranks among the Irish firms now given they've become a lot bigger here since the merger.

    Tier 4?


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    #701
    NewFe1
    Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭NewFe1


    FE1Hopefully1 wrote: »
    Oh I was under the impression it was for some reason

    Sorry yes you are correct, they are. I completely missed that when reading the list.


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    #702
    Corplawtrainee
    Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭Corplawtrainee


    IgoPAP wrote: »
    By number of practicing certs:

    https://www.irishlegal.com/article/arthur-cox-tops-chart-for-most-practising-solicitors-in-ireland

    The idea of 'Big 10' will be less and less relevant with the entrance of international firms like DLA, Dechert, Dentons, etc., when they pay better.

    Hopefully it'll push up salaries for the rest of us. The only reason the MCs offer 6 figure 1PQE salaries in London is because of the US firms.

    Any idea what Dentons/DLA are offering Salary-wise. Are they the same rate as in London? Heard that they were offering big pay packets to poach partners, but nothing beyond that.

    Similarly waiting for the U.S-effect over here, but probably won’t be for a while. Took Freshfields more than 10 years of money law salaries to finally budge. They might try increasing benefits, but not even sure what that might include.


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    #703
    biglawhead420
    Registered Users Posts: 46 ✭biglawhead420


    Corplawtrainee wrote: »
    Any idea what Dentons/DLA are offering Salary-wise. Are they the same rate as in London? Heard that they were offering big pay packets to poach partners, but nothing beyond that.

    Similarly waiting for the U.S-effect over here, but probably won’t be for a while. Took Freshfields more than 10 years of money law salaries to finally budge. They might try increasing benefits, but not even sure what that might include.

    From what I hear they are all matching the 45-50k for trainee then 70-80k for NQ.

    It is only Dechert, as far as I know, who is paying over the 100K mark.

    I have heard from one source that Walkers pay 85K NQ but I have never met anyone who works there.


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    #704
    FE1Hopefully1
    Registered Users Posts: 487 ✭✭FE1Hopefully1


    I never trust what people say they’re getting paid haha from my experience most of them lie and inflate it haha

    Would be good if firms would just say it on the grad website

    One guy bragged to my friend he was going to be getting 50k in his first year in one of the big firms and another friend who had a contract for the same year with the same firm said no it’s 35k


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    #705
    caius97
    Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭caius97


    Ive been offered a TC with a medium-sized firm and the starting salary is 23k (which rises through every 'milestone' of the traineeship). Blackhall fees also paid. Very happy as corporate isn't for me and will be mostly working on family/medical negligence stuff


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    #706
    IgoPAP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 343 ✭✭IgoPAP


    caius97 wrote: »
    Ive been offered a TC with a medium-sized firm and the starting salary is 23k (which rises through every 'milestone' of the traineeship). Blackhall fees also paid. Very happy as corporate isn't for me and will be mostly working on family/medical negligence stuff

    Congrats!


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    #707
    caius97
    Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭caius97


    Thank you! :D


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    #708
    AlexTG356
    Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭AlexTG356


    Has anyone done the DACB first stage video interview yet? Would be interested in the layout. Presume it's the same questions as any other these interviews.


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    #709
    FE1Hopefully1
    Registered Users Posts: 487 ✭✭FE1Hopefully1


    caius97 wrote: »
    Ive been offered a TC with a medium-sized firm and the starting salary is 23k (which rises through every 'milestone' of the traineeship). Blackhall fees also paid. Very happy as corporate isn't for me and will be mostly working on family/medical negligence stuff

    Oh congrats!!! I’ve always found family law and medical negligence very interesting it’s a great area !!


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    #710
    caius97
    Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭caius97


    FE1Hopefully1 wrote: »
    Oh congrats!!! I’ve always found family law and medical negligence very interesting it’s a great area !!

    Yeh same! Excited to start


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    #711
    FE1Hopefully1
    Registered Users Posts: 487 ✭✭FE1Hopefully1


    caius97 wrote: »
    Yeh same! Excited to start

    When do you start ?? Do you get to work with them before going to blackhall


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    #712
    awsah
    Registered Users Posts: 552 ✭✭✭awsah


    caius97 wrote: »
    Yeh same! Excited to start

    Congratulations! When do you start!

    I am the same, I would prefer a smaller firm. the place I am interning in told me on Friday they will offer me a training contract, to say I am relieved is an understatement, 1 less thing to worry about!


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    #713
    caius97
    Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭caius97


    awsah wrote: »
    Congratulations! When do you start!

    I am the same, I would prefer a smaller firm. the place I am interning in told me on Friday they will offer me a training contract, to say I am relieved is an understatement, 1 less thing to worry about!

    Omg congrats!

    I haven’t got the start date yet because of COVID, but I’ll deffo be working before going to blackhall - it’s part of the contract. Also, I haven’t done any FE1s yet so won’t be going to Blackhall until Dec21 or sep 22!


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    #714
    awsah
    Registered Users Posts: 552 ✭✭✭awsah


    caius97 wrote: »
    Omg congrats!

    I haven’t got the start date yet because of COVID, but I’ll deffo be working before going to blackhall - it’s part of the contract. Also, I haven’t done any FE1s yet so won’t be going to Blackhall until Dec21 or sep 22!

    I am hoping I will be ready to start Blackhall in September, if not il be looking at Hybrid Dec/Jan also!


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    #715
    FE1Hopefully1
    Registered Users Posts: 487 ✭✭FE1Hopefully1


    awsah wrote: »
    I am hoping I will be ready to start Blackhall in September, if not il be looking at Hybrid Dec/Jan also!

    I was hoping for September but the firm said that have someone going in so I’ll be sep 22

    I had thought about the hybrid but don’t think I’d like it


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    #716
    awsah
    Registered Users Posts: 552 ✭✭✭awsah


    FE1Hopefully1 wrote: »
    I was hoping for September but the firm said that have someone going in so I’ll be sep 22

    I had thought about the hybrid but don’t think I’d like it

    Ya I don't really like the idea either but I am impatient and just want to get the time started on my training!


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    #717
    FE1Hopefully1
    Registered Users Posts: 487 ✭✭FE1Hopefully1


    awsah wrote: »
    Ya I don't really like the idea either but I am impatient and just want to get the time started on my training!

    I just don’t like the sound of it tbh


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    #718
    FE1Rookie
    Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭FE1Rookie


    Where are people finding trainee solicitor job postings? There is never really any posts for TCs on legalvacancies.ie and I see a lot of people finding and discussing applications being open for places. Where are you finding this info? Is it directly on each firms website and you're just keeping track of it? LinkedIn?


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    #719
    Lallers96
    Registered Users Posts: 490 ✭✭Lallers96


    MJ Staines won't be taking on any interns because of covid. Not sure if anyone else noticed this update so posting here.

    I'm certain they didn't have that on their careers section on their site, and that it said applications open Feb 1st (tomorrow)


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    #720
    FE1Hopefully1
    Registered Users Posts: 487 ✭✭FE1Hopefully1


    FE1Rookie wrote: »
    Where are people finding trainee solicitor job postings? There is never really any posts for TCs on legalvacancies.ie and I see a lot of people finding and discussing applications being open for places. Where are you finding this info? Is it directly on each firms website and you're just keeping track of it? LinkedIn?

    I found a good few on the law society vacancies website but then the rest is just researching the firms and going onto their graduate website


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    #721
    Jeremiah25
    Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭Jeremiah25


    Has anyone completed the DACB recorded interview or know what questions to expect? TIA :D


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